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Post by swagonion on Sept 29, 2017 11:29:24 GMT -5
Young Sheldon is huge though isn't it? Like, in a world completely divorced from our online discussion bubble, Young Sheldon is objectively a popular and relevant TV show with a large and committed fanbase. Much like it's predecessor, most popular television show of our time Big Bang Theory, Using that logic, though, they should be covering all the NCISs and the like, and doing inventories on the best things about the Minions and the Transformers films. They used to be a little more discerning. Big Bang Theory always did really well for us, and when we would try out a crime procedural or drop in on one, it would always bomb. I think the audience for things like NCIS just skews older, even within the 18-49 demo, and those are people who don't read a lot of episodic TV recaps. BBT has always had a lot of younger, nerdier fans, and that was the AVC's core readership. |
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Post by Hippo on Sept 29, 2017 12:05:48 GMT -5
I did have a spirited debate with a commenter there on what drives otherwise sane, smart people to enjoy such a show so I guess there's some truth in it being good for clicks.
I didn't come away with a satisfactory answer.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Sept 29, 2017 12:32:24 GMT -5
Using that logic, though, they should be covering all the NCISs and the like, and doing inventories on the best things about the Minions and the Transformers films. They used to be a little more discerning. Big Bang Theory always did really well for us, and when we would try out a crime procedural or drop in on one, it would always bomb. I think the audience for things like NCIS just skews older, even within the 18-49 demo, and those are people who don't read a lot of episodic TV recaps. BBT has always had a lot of younger, nerdier fans, and that was the AVC's core readership. Before the great cull, the BBT reviews didn't bug me so much. But, with as few shows as are getting covered, and as many have had coverage dropped, Young Sheldon getting a review spot rubs the wrong way. |
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Post by Powerthirteen on Sept 29, 2017 14:18:20 GMT -5
The Kinja disaster makes me miss the days of Disqus bickering. Are we willing to admit now that the Disqus interface was, albeit flawed, a perfectly fine comment hosting service ? I think most of us came around on Disqus after the spot.im disaster. We were joking about the horrors of kinja even then. If only there were some sort of record of what we said on spot.im so we could search it for ironic comments about how at least it wasn't Kinja. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Sept 29, 2017 14:27:44 GMT -5
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Post by Powerthirteen on Sept 29, 2017 16:53:00 GMT -5
I scrolled down to the stupid fucking embedded autoplay video that the AVC puts in every post now to make reading harder and for a wonderful moment I thought they might have a video of us breaking spot.im that I could watch and enjoy. |
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Post by pairesta on Sept 29, 2017 17:05:08 GMT -5
The Spot.im meltdown is seriously one of my favorite memories of AVClub (RIP). Teti laughing at us breaking it, that poor demo tech probably having a stroke while it was happening, and all of the commentors freaking out about how awful it was (and Powerthirteen 's posted pic of the Hindenberg here as a status update on how it was going.) |
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Post by dwarfoscar on Sept 29, 2017 17:32:26 GMT -5
It's weird, I have absolutely no recollection of that episode of AVClub history. How long did that last ?
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Post by Post-St. Patty's Day Bloat on Sept 29, 2017 18:01:45 GMT -5
yeah it was one thing to be doing this before, when there was still decent (but not as good as its heyday) episodic TV coverage, but it seems like alot of shows didn't make in through the Kinja switch and they used that as an excuse to cull the herd even further. So it's weird that there's these lingering shows that are just for discussion, when they cover so few actual shows themselves anymore. It's even weirder that they're covering Young Sheldon. Are we not sure they're being paid to cover it? Gotta feel bad for the writers on this one. Or at least the good ones. I say force Clayton Purdom and Katie Rife to review Young Sheldon and leave the rest of the crew alone. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Sept 29, 2017 18:07:50 GMT -5
It's weird, I have absolutely no recollection of that episode of AVClub history. How long did that last ? Maybe a couple hours. They started the test, people broke it (I was never able to view it at the time), they stopped the test. Then everyone here and on the Avocado mocked it for a while. |
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Post by ayatollahcm on Sept 29, 2017 18:11:37 GMT -5
I wouldn't blame the writers per se. They're all just kids trying to make it in this digital landscape.
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Post by liebkartoffel on Sept 29, 2017 22:27:59 GMT -5
The Kinja disaster makes me miss the days of Disqus bickering. Are we willing to admit now that the Disqus interface was, albeit flawed, a perfectly fine comment hosting service ? As an interface it was perfectly fine, in theory, but it had a lot of annoying bugs and quirks that nobody every seemed particularly interested in fixing. Randomly logging me out of my legacy account and into my Disqus account, for instance, or just straight up refusing to display hundreds of comments after a reload. Still, Kinja is such a fucking disaster that there's no comparison. |
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Post by gillianandersoncpr on Sept 29, 2017 23:36:17 GMT -5
Tonight, I tried to start a cheese-related pun thread beneath the Blade Runner review. To illustrate, I attempted to insert a screencap image but was unable to get anything to display in the preview, not sure why.
Anyway, it may not go anywhere, but it is connected to the Space Pope's comment, for what it's worth. I'm trying.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Sept 30, 2017 16:21:08 GMT -5
What was the spot.im disaster ? Something like two years ago, they tested a new commenting system called spot.im. It was completely unsuited to handling the volume of comments the AVC got back then and was almost completely unreadable. After that, people started to like Disqus a lot better. spot.IM’s auto-updating was the issue—it actually didn’t crash with volume along the lines of disqus. Although in some ways I think it might have been a step back (iirc there was only one level of nesting, à la the old proprietary AVC system) if they were able to disable auto-updating it might have been an improvement. I think they ended up going out of business, anyway. |
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Post by Kawaii as Fuck on Sept 30, 2017 20:46:37 GMT -5
So Kinja has FINALLY ungreyed me.
With that done, ehhhhhhhh, I guess I'll stick around on the AV Club, I hate Kinja, but things are never going to go back to the way they were, so I guess I'll just have to get used to it.
It's just too much of a bummer to think of abandoning the site completely after 7 years.
However I will also try to post here more in addition.
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Post by Hippo on Oct 1, 2017 1:01:06 GMT -5
Something like two years ago, they tested a new commenting system called spot.im. It was completely unsuited to handling the volume of comments the AVC got back then and was almost completely unreadable. After that, people started to like Disqus a lot better. spot.IM’s auto-updating was the issue—it actually didn’t crash with volume along the lines of disqus. Although in some ways I think it might have been a step back (iirc there was only one level of nesting, à la the old proprietary AVC system) if they were able to disable auto-updating it might have been an improvement. I think they ended up going out of business, anyway. Oh, if only AVC managed to kill spot.im, they're still out there and in use for AOL sites. I think spot.im suffered from the same issues as Kinja in that neither encouraged a community whereas Disqus managed to nail that on pretty well though at times I feel like it facilitates weird arguments too well. The true ideal is of course oldest Disqus which was AVC's "proprietary" system but allowed for much much more customisation and they stuck with that for the longest time until forced over. |
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Post by Tellyfier on Oct 1, 2017 1:27:37 GMT -5
Tonight, I tried to start a cheese-related pun thread beneath the Blade Runner review. To illustrate, I attempted to insert a screencap image but was unable to get anything to display in the preview, not sure why. Anyway, it may not go anywhere, but it is connected to the Space Pope's comment, for what it's worth. I'm trying. Cheese puns? You're history's greatest Munster. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Oct 1, 2017 6:20:05 GMT -5
Tonight, I tried to start a cheese-related pun thread beneath the Blade Runner review. To illustrate, I attempted to insert a screencap image but was unable to get anything to display in the preview, not sure why. Anyway, it may not go anywhere, but it is connected to the Space Pope's comment, for what it's worth. I'm trying. Cheese puns? You're history's greatest Munster. Look, we all havarti expectations when it comes to these threads, but it always degenerates. |
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Post by Dr. Rumak on Oct 1, 2017 6:37:35 GMT -5
The true ideal is of course oldest Disqus which was AVC's "proprietary" system but allowed for much much more customisation and they stuck with that for the longest time until forced over. Yeah, I don't know whether it was the pagination or Disqus had separate servers for AVC, but I never had the "comments missing" issue when that version was being used. That was the most usable of formats, especially for things like the original TI discussions. |
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Post by Hippo on Oct 1, 2017 9:38:18 GMT -5
The true ideal is of course oldest Disqus which was AVC's "proprietary" system but allowed for much much more customisation and they stuck with that for the longest time until forced over. Yeah, I don't know whether it was the pagination or Disqus had separate servers for AVC, but I never had the "comments missing" issue when that version was being used. That was the most usable of formats, especially for things like the original TI discussions. I never thought much of it to be honest, had poor indentation and the pagination didn't mean as much to me as it did to others. Also, the internet feels vastly different now to then so I don't know if it'd exist in this climate. The version of Disqus they used was local to them, it was actual software rather than software as a service like it is now so could do a lot with it and gear it better to be useful like notifications. There's probably a happy medium between Disqus Classic and NuDisqus but they'd probably have to code it themselves and I doubt Univision would allow it. |
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Post by Pastafarian on Oct 1, 2017 9:39:10 GMT -5
Cheese puns? You're history's greatest Munster. Look, we all havarti expectations when it comes to these threads, but it always degenerates. Ok, I'll grant you that. But how about for once you gorgonzola your own whey, instead of following the pack? |
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Post by ArchieLeach on Oct 1, 2017 10:47:47 GMT -5
Look, we all havarti expectations when it comes to these threads, but it always degenerates. Ok, I'll grant you that. But how about for once you gorgonzola your own whey, instead of following the pack? There was a halfway interesting Wiki Wormhole article about Alexander Dumas today. Normally I would have read it tonight, but by then it would be on page 3, so I sped-read it at 11:45 AM. So he was a mixed-race womanizer? I tried the pun game once, but I bleu it. I'm no Gouda at it. |
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Post by Floyd Dinnertime Barber on Oct 1, 2017 11:33:31 GMT -5
"There really are not many sites like ours. A bunch of big sites have killed off comments in recent years because they grew too unwieldy and toxic. Others have comments but they're pretty much ignored and left to wither. Our community is highly engaged and polices itself very well (with some moderation help from our end). It's a rare bird."
--John Teti, talking about the AVC, just after the spot.im debacle
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Post by The Spice Weasel on Oct 1, 2017 11:54:50 GMT -5
A rare bird gone the way of the dodo.
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Post by Hippo on Oct 1, 2017 12:49:49 GMT -5
"There really are not many sites like ours. A bunch of big sites have killed off comments in recent years because they grew too unwieldy and toxic. Others have comments but they're pretty much ignored and left to wither. Our community is highly engaged and polices itself very well (with some moderation help from our end). It's a rare bird."
--John Teti, talking about the AVC, just after the spot.im debacle A rare bird indeed which got throttled to death by Univision and left to rot as if nothing was wrong. |
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Post by Post-St. Patty's Day Bloat on Oct 1, 2017 13:50:12 GMT -5
Look, we all havarti expectations when it comes to these threads, but it always degenerates. Ok, I'll grant you that. But how about for once you gorgonzola your own whey, instead of following the pack? You just had to wedge that one in there, didn't you? It would've been cheddar if you hadn't. |
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Oct 1, 2017 14:15:44 GMT -5
Look, we all havarti expectations when it comes to these threads, but it always degenerates. Ok, I'll grant you that. But how about for once you gorgonzola your own whey, instead of following the pack? Incidentally, "Gorgonzola Your Own Whey" is my favorite Fleetwood Mac'n'Cheese song. |
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Post by Mrs David Tennant on Oct 2, 2017 17:11:17 GMT -5
That Kinja is really getting on my nerves. You have to load more comments so often! And it seems like the more comments there are, the more often you have to load comments. I'm getting like 4 comments at a time!
In other words, it sucks.
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Post by The Thanksgiving Goblin. on Oct 2, 2017 18:39:35 GMT -5
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