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Post by Ben Grimm on Oct 3, 2017 7:48:08 GMT -5
LaToya Ferguson actually used the word "Kinjapocalypse" in her Lucifer review last night. Given that it's been up for eleven hours or so and only has 25 comments, I think she has a point. I suspect pageviews are way, way down, despite some of the staff insisting how unimportant the commenters are. |
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Post by Pastafarian on Oct 3, 2017 9:16:22 GMT -5
LaToya Ferguson actually used the word "Kinjapocalypse" in her Lucifer review last night. Given that it's been up for eleven hours or so and only has 25 comments, I think she has a point. I suspect pageviews are way, way down, despite some of the staff insisting how unimportant the commenters are. That must mean...she's one of us. *subtle nod, secret handshake* |
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Post by pairesta on Oct 3, 2017 10:04:11 GMT -5
LaToya Ferguson actually used the word "Kinjapocalypse" in her Lucifer review last night. Given that it's been up for eleven hours or so and only has 25 comments, I think she has a point. I suspect pageviews are way, way down, despite some of the staff insisting how unimportant the commenters are. LaToya was one of the more active staff in comments, so it would make sense that the definite hit the commenting community has taken would be something she take note of. As far as pageviews, I don't know; there was a discussion about it here or TOC a month after the switch and analysis revealed no change or a slight uptick in views since the switch. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Oct 3, 2017 10:07:40 GMT -5
LaToya Ferguson actually used the word "Kinjapocalypse" in her Lucifer review last night. Given that it's been up for eleven hours or so and only has 25 comments, I think she has a point. I suspect pageviews are way, way down, despite some of the staff insisting how unimportant the commenters are. LaToya was one of the more active staff in comments, so it would make sense that the definite hit the commenting community has taken would be something she take note of. As far as pageviews, I don't know; there was a discussion about it here or TOC a month after the switch and analysis revealed no change or a slight uptick in views since the switch. Yeah, that's one of the things I always liked about her. She engaged in the comments without the "raw contempt" that seemed to be O'Neal's specialty. I suspect we're not going to get anything approaching real numbers on how the site is doing since the meteor struck unless a staffer leaks them to us (which is unlikely). The numbers that truly matter may not be possible for the general public to get, especially since I suspect use of adblockers and the like is up to make Kinja navigable. |
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Post by fab on Oct 3, 2017 12:29:30 GMT -5
It's even weirder that they're covering Young Sheldon. Young Sheldon is huge though isn't it? Like, in a world completely divorced from our online discussion bubble, Young Sheldon is objectively a popular and relevant TV show with a large and committed fanbase. Much like it's predecessor, most popular television show of our time Big Bang Theory, oh god, this is an actual SHOW? jesus fucking christ. I thought it was just a joke about some flashback sequences from that other garbage fire show, BBT. |
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Post by Hippo on Oct 3, 2017 13:34:25 GMT -5
LaToya was one of the more active staff in comments, so it would make sense that the definite hit the commenting community has taken would be something she take note of. As far as pageviews, I don't know; there was a discussion about it here or TOC a month after the switch and analysis revealed no change or a slight uptick in views since the switch. Yeah, that's one of the things I always liked about her. She engaged in the comments without the "raw contempt" that seemed to be O'Neal's specialty. I suspect we're not going to get anything approaching real numbers on how the site is doing since the meteor struck unless a staffer leaks them to us (which is unlikely). The numbers that truly matter may not be possible for the general public to get, especially since I suspect use of adblockers and the like is up to make Kinja navigable. Could always just bug John Teti on Twitter until he releases visitor numbers. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Oct 3, 2017 13:51:58 GMT -5
Yeah, that's one of the things I always liked about her. She engaged in the comments without the "raw contempt" that seemed to be O'Neal's specialty. I suspect we're not going to get anything approaching real numbers on how the site is doing since the meteor struck unless a staffer leaks them to us (which is unlikely). The numbers that truly matter may not be possible for the general public to get, especially since I suspect use of adblockers and the like is up to make Kinja navigable. Could always just bug John Teti on Twitter until he releases visitor numbers. One of the people on Twitter should do that. |
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Post by dwarfoscar on Oct 3, 2017 13:52:05 GMT -5
There's always a temptation to inflate our roles as commenters, especially heavy commenters (which i was not part of), in the success of a website, but yeah, the truth is lurkers make most of the pageviews. I don't think Latoya wanted to imply a decrease in pageviews by using the word "Kinjapocalypse" : she just witnesses the withering of an internet community.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Oct 3, 2017 14:02:45 GMT -5
There's always a temptation to inflate our roles as commenters, especially heavy commenters (which i was not part of), in the success of a website, but yeah, the truth is lurkers make most of the pageviews. I don't think Latoya wanted to imply a decrease in pageviews by using the word "Kinjapocalypse" : she just witnesses the withering of an internet community. There definitely is ... I've said similar things before. Trust me, I love(d) the commentariat and the community that was there. I have met some awesome people and made some good friends. Had some amazing conversations and laughed my ass off. But we were never the bulk of page views or revenue. Even on articles with 1,000 comments, do you really think that's enough pageviews among those people to drive ad revenue? Mind you, with 1,000 comments you're still talking maybe 100-200 people since a lot of people would go back and forth and post multiple times. It was nice to be appreciated; it sucks to not be. But we're not the life or death of the AV Club. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Oct 3, 2017 14:34:25 GMT -5
There's always a temptation to inflate our roles as commenters, especially heavy commenters (which i was not part of), in the success of a website, but yeah, the truth is lurkers make most of the pageviews. I don't think Latoya wanted to imply a decrease in pageviews by using the word "Kinjapocalypse" : she just witnesses the withering of an internet community. There definitely is ... I've said similar things before. Trust me, I love(d) the commentariat and the community that was there. I have met some awesome people and made some good friends. Had some amazing conversations and laughed my ass off. But we were never the bulk of page views or revenue. Even on articles with 1,000 comments, do you really think that's enough pageviews among those people to drive ad revenue? Mind you, with 1,000 comments you're still talking maybe 100-200 people since a lot of people would go back and forth and post multiple times. It was nice to be appreciated; it sucks to not be. But we're not the life or death of the AV Club. I think there are probably lurkers who read the comments, though, because I think most of us heavy commenters were lurkers for a while, first, and not everyone makes that leap. Plus, a lot of pageviews probably result from rechecking comments and discussion you might not have commented on or at least not commented on all of. And so I could see 1% of the pageviews coming from the commenters, but the loss of 90% of the comments having a much bigger effect than losing .9% of pageviews. |
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Post by The Spice Weasel on Oct 3, 2017 17:09:35 GMT -5
I think there are probably lurkers who read the comments, though, because I think most of us heavy commenters were lurkers for a while, first, and not everyone makes that leap. Plus, a lot of pageviews probably result from rechecking comments and discussion you might not have commented on or at least not commented on all of. And so I could see 1% of the pageviews coming from the commenters, but the loss of 90% of the comments having a much bigger effect than losing .9% of pageviews. Agreed. What do you reckon? For every regular commenter there were five lurkers? Ten? More? I read the comments for years before diving in. I went there for the comments because it was one of the few places on the internet where they weren't overrun with jackasses. Well, the bad kind of jackasses.  |
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Post by Mr. Greene's October Surprise on Oct 3, 2017 17:10:26 GMT -5
Yeah, that's one of the things I always liked about her. She engaged in the comments without the "raw contempt" that seemed to be O'Neal's specialty. I suspect we're not going to get anything approaching real numbers on how the site is doing since the meteor struck unless a staffer leaks them to us (which is unlikely). The numbers that truly matter may not be possible for the general public to get, especially since I suspect use of adblockers and the like is up to make Kinja navigable. Could always just bug John Teti on Twitter until he releases visitor numbers. Teti doesn't run the site anymore, dude; Univision pushed him over into TV. He has nothing to do with the day-to-day running of the site anymore. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Oct 3, 2017 17:15:35 GMT -5
I think there are probably lurkers who read the comments, though, because I think most of us heavy commenters were lurkers for a while, first, and not everyone makes that leap. Plus, a lot of pageviews probably result from rechecking comments and discussion you might not have commented on or at least not commented on all of. And so I could see 1% of the pageviews coming from the commenters, but the loss of 90% of the comments having a much bigger effect than losing .9% of pageviews. Agreed. What do you reckon? For every regular commenter there were five lurkers? Ten? More? I read the comments for years before diving in. I went there for the comments because it was one of the few places on the internet where they weren't overrun with jackasses. Well, the bad kind of jackasses. The old blogospheric rule was 1% of readers scroll to comments and 1% of comment-readers comment, though I bet the AVC as a proper website with an accompanying print publication probably had a lower percentage of commenters. And that’s a rule-of-thumb from the “you need a .edu for facebook” era of the internet—surely it’s lower now. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Oct 3, 2017 17:19:20 GMT -5
Agreed. What do you reckon? For every regular commenter there were five lurkers? Ten? More? I read the comments for years before diving in. I went there for the comments because it was one of the few places on the internet where they weren't overrun with jackasses. Well, the bad kind of jackasses. The old blogospheric rule was 1% of readers scroll to comments and 1% of comment-readers comment, though I bet the AVC as a proper website with an accompanying print publication probably had a lower percentage of commenters. And that’s a rule-of-thumb from the “you need a .edu for facebook” era of the internet—surely it’s lower now. They said before the change that commenters were somewhere between .5% and 1.5% of pageviews, though it was never entirely clear what that meant. I suspect we clicked a lot more often per person, though. |
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Post by Floyd Diabolical Barber on Oct 3, 2017 22:39:46 GMT -5
Well, I finally got my legacy account linked to Kinja, although I had to use "floyddangerbarber" as my Kinja username. How much I will still comment at TOC, I guess we will see.
I wonder if trying to link those to my almost-never used Discus account is possible, or would just screw everything up worse.
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Post by Hippo on Oct 3, 2017 23:21:24 GMT -5
Could always just bug John Teti on Twitter until he releases visitor numbers. Teti doesn't run the site anymore, dude; Univision pushed him over into TV. He has nothing to do with the day-to-day running of the site anymore. Make it sound like he was kicked elsewhere due to conflicting views. Still, I feel that yeah, while losing a thriving comment section won’t harm them long term, it took the soul of the site with it. We didn’t matter much in hard numbers but dammit, we were the culture of that site. We don’t need the numbers, we know that we weren’t important and that overall they’re sitting on roughly the same or more ad impressions but what made it good is gone. It’s someone else’s AVC now. |
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Post by Floyd Diabolical Barber on Oct 4, 2017 19:49:42 GMT -5
I think I might have gotten my AVC legacy account, my Discus account, and my Kinja account all merged into some Frankenstein-ian monstrosity. Or I may have shattered the continuity of the fabric of the universe. Or maybe I'll wake up tomorrow, and it will all have been a bad dream. Not quite sure yet.
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Post by Mr. Greene's October Surprise on Oct 4, 2017 21:14:17 GMT -5
I think I might have gotten my AVC legacy account, my Discus account, and my Kinja account all merged into some Frankenstein-ian monstrosity. Or I may have shattered the continuity of the fabric of the universe. Or maybe I'll wake up tomorrow, and it will all have been a bad dream. Not quite sure yet. ...which thingie did you use?  We're coming near the deadline, now...  |
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Post by Incense on Oct 4, 2017 21:16:26 GMT -5
You're right, we are coming near the deadline. Did anyone figure out what to do if, when you try to star something or comment, it pops up that screen saying you have to link a social media account? Is there a way to get around that by contacting the staff, or are you stuck having to do that?
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Post by Floyd Diabolical Barber on Oct 5, 2017 0:55:53 GMT -5
I think I might have gotten my AVC legacy account, my Discus account, and my Kinja account all merged into some Frankenstein-ian monstrosity. Or I may have shattered the continuity of the fabric of the universe. Or maybe I'll wake up tomorrow, and it will all have been a bad dream. Not quite sure yet. ...which thingie did you use? We're coming near the deadline, now... Basically, I went to kinja.com/claim, clicked link to my avc legacy account, clicked authorize on the kinja site, had to link it to a twitter account (I don't use it much anyway) went back (I used a different browser, dont know if that matters) to kinja.com/claim, picked link to discus account, linked that to the same twitter, and it asked me if i wanted to merge with the other kinja account, or use a different one. I merged them. I hope i didn't leave out too many steps. I used the steps in this article. good luck Mr. Greene's October Surprise and Incense |
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Post by Mr. Greene's October Surprise on Oct 5, 2017 3:49:14 GMT -5
...which thingie did you use? We're coming near the deadline, now... Basically, I went to kinja.com/claim, clicked link to my avc legacy account, clicked authorize on the kinja site, had to link it to a twitter account (I don't use it much anyway) went back (I used a different browser, dont know if that matters) to kinja.com/claim, picked link to discus account, linked that to the same twitter, and it asked me if i wanted to merge with the other kinja account, or use a different one. I merged them. I hope i didn't leave out too many steps. I used the steps in this article. good luck Mr. Greene's October Surprise and Incense ...god, it's probably too late for me to do that, now... |
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Post by Incense on Oct 5, 2017 8:08:30 GMT -5
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Oct 5, 2017 8:10:41 GMT -5
You're right, we are coming near the deadline. Did anyone figure out what to do if, when you try to star something or comment, it pops up that screen saying you have to link a social media account? Is there a way to get around that by contacting the staff, or are you stuck having to do that? I never got any sort of reply so I ended up linking my account to my twitter. The funny thing is I still have my burner account logged in on my phone, so I guess I technically have two accounts with the same display name but slightly different usernames. |
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Post by moimoi on Oct 5, 2017 22:28:43 GMT -5
Was signed on to my legacy account and attempted to 'star' something. Got the popup to sign in using a linked account. Clicked on Gmail so I could add my burner Gmail to my legacy account. It said that Gmail was in use by another account (the Kinja account I set up before legacy accounts were available) and would I like to merge. I click yes and I get another log in to Gmail popup. When that gets me nowhere (it prompts me to pick a new username), I close the window and see that my legacy account has been kicked out and I can't log on to my Gmail-linked Kinja either. FUCK. THIS. SHIT.
Is there somebody I can email to fix this?
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Post by Ben Grimm on Oct 6, 2017 9:45:09 GMT -5
Was signed on to my legacy account and attempted to 'star' something. Got the popup to sign in using a linked account. Clicked on Gmail so I could add my burner Gmail to my legacy account. It said that Gmail was in use by another account (the Kinja account I set up before legacy accounts were available) and would I like to merge. I click yes and I get another log in to Gmail popup. When that gets me nowhere (it prompts me to pick a new username), I close the window and see that my legacy account has been kicked out and I can't log on to my Gmail-linked Kinja either. FUCK. THIS. SHIT. Is there somebody I can email to fix this? Ernie. He actually did help me. helpbox@gizmodomedia.com |
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Post by ganews on Oct 6, 2017 21:33:17 GMT -5
For god's sake, it would make so much of a difference just to have a Recent Articles page again. It was extraordinarily convenient before the switch, and now that nothing on the front page has any permanence it's completely necessary. Seriously, the only things raised to the featured articles on the top are the clickbaitin'est of newswires.
If the way the site gets ad revenue is through clicks, why isn't there a longer list of articles on the front page? The ten most recent Newswires condensed to headlines only in some of that vast, empty white space on the side of the article column?
It's been less than 17 hours since today's edition of History of Violence was posted, the only column of the day, and it's completely gone from the front page. Which means it's not bringing the clicks. Which means it really is the last of the columns.
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Post by Floyd Diabolical Barber on Oct 6, 2017 21:44:50 GMT -5
For god's sake, it would make so much of a difference just to have a Recent Articles page again. It was extraordinarily convenient before the switch, and now that nothing on the front page has any permanence it's completely necessary. Seriously, the only things raised to the featured articles on the top are the clickbaitin'est of newswires. If the way the site gets ad revenue is through clicks, why isn't there a longer list of articles on the front page? The ten most recent Newswires condensed to headlines only in some of that vast, empty white space on the side of the article column? It's been less than 17 hours since today's edition of History of Violence was posted, the only column of the day, and it's completely gone from the front page. Which means it's not bringing the clicks. Which means it really is the last of the columns. I didn't know it had even posted, and I can't find it at all. That is insane. |
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Post by Mr. Greene's October Surprise on Oct 7, 2017 0:04:30 GMT -5
For god's sake, it would make so much of a difference just to have a Recent Articles page again. It was extraordinarily convenient before the switch, and now that nothing on the front page has any permanence it's completely necessary. Seriously, the only things raised to the featured articles on the top are the clickbaitin'est of newswires. If the way the site gets ad revenue is through clicks, why isn't there a longer list of articles on the front page? The ten most recent Newswires condensed to headlines only in some of that vast, empty white space on the side of the article column? It's been less than 17 hours since today's edition of History of Violence was posted, the only column of the day, and it's completely gone from the front page. Which means it's not bringing the clicks. Which means it really is the last of the columns. I didn't know it had even posted, and I can't find it at all. That is insane. I saw it, but only because I was up around noon EST. It posted at 6 a.m. CST. (It was about Fast Five, which was elating...) |
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Post by ArchieLeach on Oct 7, 2017 12:33:54 GMT -5
Please excuse my out-of-touchness. Why have so many people suddenly changed their names and/or avatars?
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Oct 7, 2017 12:37:04 GMT -5
Please excuse my out-of-touchness. Why have so many people suddenly changed their names and/or avatars? |
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