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Post by Mars Defense Perimeter on Aug 23, 2017 16:30:30 GMT -5
Somewhere, Ernie is vaping with some other codebros talking about how he made a bong out of an old modem.
You'll get yours yet, Ernie.
Viva la resistance.
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Post by chalkdevil ๐ on Aug 23, 2017 16:36:03 GMT -5
Ah, mobile-forward design. Did you just want a big long list of content with only a vague organization? Too bad. Did you want to be able to find regular featured articles with ease? Well, then I hope you see them with-in 2 hours of them being posted before they fall off the homepage. Really, there's not much point to since 90% of the traffic comes from social media anyway. Who goes to a homepage any more? Just old people.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Aug 23, 2017 16:47:50 GMT -5
So, it's happened... and looks like Reasonable Discussions has just been erased completely & restarted, just as expected.
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Post by Mars Defense Perimeter on Aug 23, 2017 16:53:16 GMT -5
People over there are already complaining about how Kinjapocalypse-related talk was derailing threads and how refreshing it is to get back to "normal."
If the AV Club is ever liberated from the Univisionazis, we could be looking at a civil war. Commenter against commenter...cancerAIDS epidemics...
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Post by Tea Rex on Aug 23, 2017 16:59:29 GMT -5
I can't remember if that's reference to something or a regular typo (possiblye), and it's gonna be marginally more difficult to acquire answers in a lazy fashion from here on out. change is scary. someone hold me  That was a Simpsons quote from the good seasons. But you already knew that, didn't you, fab, or as I'm sure you prefer to be called, KINJA ERNIE! WATCH FOR SPIES AND SABOTEURS FROM THE OLD COUNTRY! REPORT SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY TO YOUR MODERATORS! TRUST! OBEY! Liked, comrade. |
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Post by Kawaii as Fuck on Aug 23, 2017 17:10:48 GMT -5
So the Kinja-pocalypse is here and I hate it, just hate it.
Why, for the love of Dawes, is the text not just in the middle of the screen? If you have a 1080p monitor like I do itโs irritating to have to look to the right all the time to read both the article and the comments, it makes no sense, seriously, why does it have to be this way?
I could live with it if the text was in the middle of the screen but as is I just hate it, that coupled with the fact that almost the entire original staff of the website when I first joined is gone and who knows how many commenters are going to be gone and well, I just donโt think I can deal with it.
I guess it's the end of the road for me for there, but I'll try to start posting more frequently here.
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Post by fab on Aug 23, 2017 17:11:32 GMT -5
That was a Simpsons quote from the good seasons. But you already knew that, didn't you, fab, or as I'm sure you prefer to be called, KINJA ERNIE! WATCH FOR SPIES AND SABOTEURS FROM THE OLD COUNTRY! REPORT SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY TO YOUR MODERATORS! TRUST! OBEY! dammit. I had a feeling that was familiar for some reason... If I was glib enough to be Kinja Ernie, I wouldn't even be a coder. I'd go into politics, PR, or finance. not much point being a heel if you don't get to stunt in the spotlight on occasion. |
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Aug 23, 2017 17:11:49 GMT -5
Google has been my go-to for years when it comes to finding stuff at AVC. They have/had possibly the worst internal search tool I've ever encountered. They fixed their search engine pretty good a few months ago. Now, of course, it's back to being a disaster. But what I'm talking about is the idea of each tv show having its own page. On the old version you could click on TV and it would take you to a TV home page, and from there you could either look at the most recent reviews or pick a show from a list to go to a dedicated page for that show's reviews, sorted by season. Now if you click on TV you get the standard shitty Gawker scroll, with as far as I can see no links to reviews organized by show and season. But such pages do exist, because I found them on Google. There's just what seems like no way to get to them in the site architecture, which is hilarious. I defy any of you to figure out how to get from www.avclub.com to tv.avclub.com/c/tv-review/game-of-thrones-newbies just by clicking links. You have to Click on TV Club Click on something that is actually a review Click on the purple TV Reviews Use the All Categories to SCROLL THROUGH ALL THE SHOWS LIKE AN ANIMAL or at least that's the only way I've found so far |
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Post by Post-St. Patty's Day Bloat on Aug 23, 2017 17:18:42 GMT -5
Hi, guy you don't really know here.
Tried to use the new site. Got a burner account set-up, spent ten minutes trying to make sense of the commenting system before I decided it wasn't worth the effort. The whole thing just makes my head hurt. I'll check back in a few weeks, or months, or never. Honestly, the content they've been pushing out as of late is barely worth reading and if all the cool kids aren't there to comment, what's the point?
In the meantime, does anyone mind if I just quietly lurk in the background and study your behavioral patterns before I officially start posting?
Thanks in advance.
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Post by Tea Rex on Aug 23, 2017 17:21:36 GMT -5
Hi, guy you don't really know here. Tried to use the new site. Got a burner account set-up, spent ten minutes trying to make sense of the commenting system before I decided it wasn't worth the effort. The whole thing just makes my head hurt. I'll check back in a few weeks, or months, or never. Honestly, the content they've been pushing out as of late is barely worth reading and if all the cool kids aren't there to comment, what's the point? In the meantime, does anyone mind if I just quietly lurk in the background and study your behavioral patterns before I officially start posting? Thanks in advance. There are plenty of lurkers on this site. Go ahead. But know that we know you're there, lurkers. WE KNOW YOU'RE THERE. Lurky McLurk, this doesn't apply to you. |
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Post by Lurky McLurk on Aug 23, 2017 17:31:35 GMT -5
Hi, guy you don't really know here. Tried to use the new site. Got a burner account set-up, spent ten minutes trying to make sense of the commenting system before I decided it wasn't worth the effort. The whole thing just makes my head hurt. I'll check back in a few weeks, or months, or never. Honestly, the content they've been pushing out as of late is barely worth reading and if all the cool kids aren't there to comment, what's the point? In the meantime, does anyone mind if I just quietly lurk in the background and study your behavioral patterns before I officially start posting? Thanks in advance. There are plenty of lurkers on this site. Go ahead. But know that we know you're there, lurkers. WE KNOW YOU'RE THERE. Lurky McLurk, this doesn't apply to you. I'm not here, and never have been. |
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Post by Post-St. Patty's Day Bloat on Aug 23, 2017 17:32:59 GMT -5
There are plenty of lurkers on this site. Go ahead. But know that we know you're there, lurkers. WE KNOW YOU'RE THERE. Lurky McLurk , this doesn't apply to you. I'm not here, and never have been.  |
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Post by thepromisedprince on Aug 23, 2017 17:36:18 GMT -5
The Kinja comments suck but I think I could grow to live with them even though I suspect the quality of the community will significantly decrease. It's really the whole website redesign that nukes my interest in continuing to regularly visit the AV Club. Incredibly inconvenient navigation. In retrospect I never properly appreciated how simple it was to find stuff on the old site.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Aug 23, 2017 17:42:08 GMT -5
They fixed their search engine pretty good a few months ago. Now, of course, it's back to being a disaster. But what I'm talking about is the idea of each tv show having its own page. On the old version you could click on TV and it would take you to a TV home page, and from there you could either look at the most recent reviews or pick a show from a list to go to a dedicated page for that show's reviews, sorted by season. Now if you click on TV you get the standard shitty Gawker scroll, with as far as I can see no links to reviews organized by show and season. But such pages do exist, because I found them on Google. There's just what seems like no way to get to them in the site architecture, which is hilarious. I defy any of you to figure out how to get from www.avclub.com to tv.avclub.com/c/tv-review/game-of-thrones-newbies just by clicking links. You have to Click on TV Club Click on something that is actually a review Click on the purple TV Reviews Use the All Categories to SCROLL THROUGH ALL THE SHOWS LIKE AN ANIMAL or at least that's the only way I've found so far There's a TV Reviews tab now (I'm not sure it was there earlier), and it does have a drop-down menu with all the reviewed shows. |
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Post by Post-St. Patty's Day Bloat on Aug 23, 2017 17:52:58 GMT -5
The Kinja comments suck but I think I could grow to live with them even though I suspect the quality of the community will significantly decrease. It's really the whole website redesign that nukes my interest in continuing to regularly visit the AV Club. Incredibly inconvenient navigation. In retrospect I never properly appreciated how simple it was to find stuff on the old site. The worst of it was that they nixed the avclub.com/recent page, which is/was the only sensible way to navigate the website. Maaaayybee they'll get the bugs sorted out and the site'll look and feel proper in time, but this is not a good start. Looks like every other garbage site on the internet I aim to avoid. |
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Post by Powerthirteen on Aug 23, 2017 17:59:04 GMT -5
You have to Click on TV Club Click on something that is actually a review Click on the purple TV Reviews Use the All Categories to SCROLL THROUGH ALL THE SHOWS LIKE AN ANIMAL or at least that's the only way I've found so far There's a TV Reviews tab now (I'm not sure it was there earlier), and it does have a drop-down menu with all the reviewed shows. Ha, they fixed it. |
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Post by Powerthirteen on Aug 23, 2017 17:59:34 GMT -5
The Kinja comments suck but I think I could grow to live with them even though I suspect the quality of the community will significantly decrease. It's really the whole website redesign that nukes my interest in continuing to regularly visit the AV Club. Incredibly inconvenient navigation. In retrospect I never properly appreciated how simple it was to find stuff on the old site. The worst of it was that they nixed the avclub.com/recent page, which is/was the only sensible way to navigate the website. I knoooooooooooooooooow! I don't think I'd looked at the home page in months. |
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Post by space robot on Aug 23, 2017 18:06:18 GMT -5
The Kinja comments suck but I think I could grow to live with them even though I suspect the quality of the community will significantly decrease. It's really the whole website redesign that nukes my interest in continuing to regularly visit the AV Club. Incredibly inconvenient navigation. In retrospect I never properly appreciated how simple it was to find stuff on the old site. The worst of it was that they nixed the avclub.com/recent page, which is/was the only sensible way to navigate the website. I hadn't even known that was a thing and now I'm upset that I'll never get to use it. |
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Post by Dr. Rumak on Aug 23, 2017 18:26:53 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I successfully merged or not. Primarily, I had an AVClub only account. But a couple of months ago I created a Disqus account so that I could upvote comments on Rabin's website. That's tied into my Twitter account. It turns out that if I am logged into Disqus, and that whole "AVClub logging you out but not really" thing happens, it used my Disqus account to post comments/upvotes. (They both have the same name, but different avatars). So I created a Kinja account also tied to my Twitter account, and then pressed the convert button like 400 times. I commented, and my comment went through without requiring approval. But is it tied to my AVClub only account or my actual Disqus account? I have no idea.
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Post by The Spice Weasel on Aug 23, 2017 18:36:28 GMT -5
Ah, mobile-forward design. Did you just want a big long list of content with only a vague organization? Too bad. Did you want to be able to find regular featured articles with ease? Well, then I hope you see them with-in 2 hours of them being posted before they fall off the homepage. Really, there's not much point to since 90% of the traffic comes from social media anyway. Who goes to a homepage any more? Just old people. That's the thing, it isn't that hard to do both. I find it hard to believe that the Kinja family of products receives such an inconsequential amount of traffic from desktops/laptops to not warrant a variant from the mobile/tablet design. |
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Post by Invisible Goat on Aug 23, 2017 18:49:42 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I successfully merged or not. Primarily, I had an AVClub only account. But a couple of months ago I created a Disqus account so that I could upvote comments on Rabin's website. That's tied into my Twitter account. It turns out that if I am logged into Disqus, and that whole "AVClub logging you out but not really" thing happens, it used my Disqus account to post comments/upvotes. (They both have the same name, but different avatars). So I created a Kinja account also tied to my Twitter account, and then pressed the convert button like 400 times. I commented, and my comment went through without requiring approval. But is it tied to my AVClub only account or my actual Disqus account? I have no idea. There isn't functionality for linking AVC legacy accounts yet, so it must have been Disqus |
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Post by emmelemm on Aug 23, 2017 18:51:56 GMT -5
In the meantime, does anyone mind if I just quietly lurk in the background and study your behavioral patterns before I officially start posting? It's the only sensible thing to do. (I'm new here myself.) |
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Post by emmelemm on Aug 23, 2017 18:54:53 GMT -5
Ah, mobile-forward design. Did you just want a big long list of content with only a vague organization? Too bad. Did you want to be able to find regular featured articles with ease? Well, then I hope you see them with-in 2 hours of them being posted before they fall off the homepage. Really, there's not much point to since 90% of the traffic comes from social media anyway. Who goes to a homepage any more? Just old people. That's the thing, it isn't that hard to do both. I find it hard to believe that the Kinja family of products receives such an inconsequential amount of traffic from desktops/laptops to not warrant a variant from the mobile/tablet design. Yeah, I mean, I like to lurk from work, which means desktop. I sometimes lurk on weekends on my phone, but there's so much less content on the weekends that sometimes I hardly bother. Don't they *want* to pull in that slacker-at-work crowd? |
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Aug 23, 2017 19:41:19 GMT -5
This whole thing reminds me of when SuicideGirls redesigned and I stopped using the site. They also made everything that allowed people to connect as a community far less useable and made the site extremely difficult to navigate. They obviously continued to do well because the vast majority of their members were just there for naked ladies and not for conversation AND naked ladies, but the AV Club has no naked ladies to offer. I know we don't make up even a tiny part of their clicks, but I still wonder if any community will survive and, if it doesn't, if that will negatively affect their bottom line in any way.
Anyway, I'm kind of relieved the design is so awful because I feel no real pull to check there now.
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Post by oppy all along on Aug 23, 2017 19:46:31 GMT -5
The coming Kinja-pocalypse has been upgraded to incipient Kinja-pocalypse, and then in progress Kinja-pocalypse.
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Post by Dr. Rumak on Aug 23, 2017 19:51:45 GMT -5
I mentioned the Kinjapocalypse on my Facebook page just to see if anyone else I was connected to knew what I was talking about, and no one did. I hate Facebook.
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Post by ComradePig on Aug 23, 2017 19:56:48 GMT -5
I effectively jettisoned myself from AVC a ways back for all intents and purposes but dropped in today to see the damage and I'm pretty impressed. Kinja is an incredible platform that somehow manages to create an aesthetic that is defined by both pointless clutter and poor usability and a tremendous amount of wasted visual space. I know there are monetary and mobile related reasons for why using said platform 'makes sense' but not even its creators and proponents can possibly believe on the inside that this thing is not a dumpster fire of bad web design.
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Post by msbrocius on Aug 23, 2017 20:01:16 GMT -5
Moimoi began reading the print version of AV Club in high school, while working at a suburban movie theater that is now closed. She picked up copies of the Onion & AVC to read over cheap Panda Express lunches in college, and she was delighted to stumble upon the AVC website during grad school. She began lurking the comments during her mind-numbingly boring first job in civil service and began commenting when TV club really took off, during the Golden Age of Mad Men and when even True Blood was good. She was extremely proud of predicting Bob Benson's story arc before any other commenter, and once got over 100 upvotes taking on an MRA-type. She also got props from Noel Murray for an astute observation on Boardwalk Empire. Though her commenting dropped off with the rise of Game of Thrones and death of coverage outside of certain genres, she still found much entertainment in the commentariat and the often unique and hilarious voices it contained. She is survived by this account (thank god) and the person you might meet if you pass through Chicago. The bereaved (such as we are) may submit upvotes in lieu of flowers. At the risk of sounding creepy, you were always one of my favorite commenters on the Boardwalk reviews. I read and reread those reviews and the comments after the episodes aired, so I didn't get to participate in the discussions as they happened, but I always enjoyed reading your insightful, entertaining thoughts on them years later. |
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Post by Mars Defense Perimeter on Aug 23, 2017 20:41:51 GMT -5
This whole thing reminds me of when SuicideGirls redesigned and I stopped using the site. They also made everything that allowed people to connect as a community far less useable and made the site extremely difficult to navigate. They obviously continued to do well because the vast majority of their members were just there for naked ladies and not for conversation AND naked ladies, but the AV Club has no naked ladies to offer. I know we don't make up even a tiny part of their clicks, but I still wonder if any community will survive and, if it doesn't, if that will negatively affect their bottom line in any way. Anyway, I'm kind of relieved the design is so awful because I feel no real pull to check there now. That's the sad reality of the Internet in 2017. No one wants to make a site where a strong, vibrant community can grow. It's about one thing--clicks. The Internet, like all successful things, sold out. Univision doesn't want community. They want revenue. And like all conglomerates, any hint of individuality or uniqueness must be eliminated if it even poses a microscopic threat to the bottom line. That's reality. So RIP AV Club. I, for one, do not welcome our new corporate overlords. I liked being part of a community, not just a source of the Almighty Click. And yes, you DID get a Community notification for this. |
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Aug 23, 2017 20:52:44 GMT -5
I created a burner with my same username, and I'll wait until instructions are hopefully posted on how to merge that with my old one ( moimoi ). The second-last instruction on the conversion page tells you that "If your existing Kinja account is a burner, you will not be able to merge accounts." I think I can, but worse comes to worse I have an alternate Disqus account I could use. Or just not merge, whatever. |
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