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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on May 3, 2018 10:05:59 GMT -5
Ok, because it's come up twice in this thread: Can someone point me to where they actually said one way or the other that Alien-version-of-the-Indiana-Jones-Last-Crusade-Ghost-Knight was Red Skull? Is that like a thing from the comics or hinted at in some way that I missed? When they didn't explicitly make that clear, I just assumed it was some random alien make-up that kind-of/sort-of looked like Red Skull. I got it from "I once pursued the Infinity Stones, even held one in my hand". Though it's entirely possible that it's another random alien that once held an Infinity Stone, at that point it was enough for me to assume that this was Red Skull who vanished after grabbing the Tesseract. Hmm, it's been a minute since I watched the first Cap movie, maybe it seemed more obvious if that was fresh in your memory. I just saw all these people automatically assuming it was Red Skull and thinking, "it's not even the same fucking stone!" |
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Post by chalkdevil 😈 on May 3, 2018 10:30:55 GMT -5
I got it from "I once pursued the Infinity Stones, even held one in my hand". Though it's entirely possible that it's another random alien that once held an Infinity Stone, at that point it was enough for me to assume that this was Red Skull who vanished after grabbing the Tesseract. Hmm, it's been a minute since I watched the first Cap movie, maybe it seemed more obvious if that was fresh in your memory. I just saw all these people automatically assuming it was Red Skull and thinking, "it's not even the same fucking stone!" Yeah, it looked and sounded exactly like Red Skull and IMDB has the character listed as "Red Skull (Stonekeeper)." It is a different actor. But why pay Hugo Weaving for 2 minutes of screen time when you can just pay the dude from Walking Dead who does really good celebrity impressions. Still, Red Skull did die touching the Tesseract (Mind Stone) which for some reason made him the protector of the Soul Stone for the last 70 years. I guess the previous protector must have retired. I'm going to go with pointless cameo for nerds. Like Howard The Duck at the end of GOTG. |
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Post by sarapen on May 3, 2018 10:40:38 GMT -5
Also, Red Skull in a black cloak looks like Mistress Death from the comics, who Thanos canonically wants to bone. Except Josh Brolin Thanos probably doesn't want to bone the Red Skull, so we don't have a scene where the purple CGI monster has sex with Hugo Weaving in a latex mask.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 10:52:11 GMT -5
Thanos' whole solution is just so childish and immature I can't buy it being understandable. "I will end suffering by committing half a genocide of entire planets.... no, the entire universe! Even though with a fully powered Infinitiy gauntlet I can do so many other great things that won't lead to mass genocide!"
Also, him crying over Gamora after seeing like a 2 minute flashback is so paper thin. Sure, Josh Brolin is a good actor but he wasn't given nearly enough material to make me give a shit about his character. He is just a Ronan the Accuser who shed a single tear.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 11:10:10 GMT -5
Infinity War is better than Age of Ultron because the plot points arent as egregiously dumb and it isnt a mismash of half baked ideas(remember Thor's stupid ass storyline in it?). But it has the same problems that because it is a teamup movie and not just a teamup but THE teamup, there is too much that is stuffed in that every plot thread suffers from not having enough time to properly develop. Like Cap, Black Widow, and Falcon. They just show up to fight as backup and then go to wakanda. They are totally pointless other than to just be more people to fight. Same with the black panther cast that isn't Shuri. All of them are just there to be there, and the emotional weight they do attempt is just undercut because they can't really go in depth due to having to serve so many other things. It was still a fun time and the action was decent, but it is all flash and very little substance. The first avengers will likely always be the best because it wasn't bursting at the seams to fit in everything, and was able to properly service the 6 avengers.
Age of Ultron sucked, but Ultron is a better villain than Thanos.
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on May 3, 2018 12:46:38 GMT -5
Ultron was a horrible, horrible villain. I don't think even Whedon knows what his motivation was.
Yeah, Thanos' plan is crazy, but he's similar to Killmonger in that way. They both recognized a problem and then picked the worst possible way to solve it.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 13:38:46 GMT -5
Ultron was a horrible, horrible villain. I don't think even Whedon knows what his motivation was. Yeah, Thanos' plan is crazy, but he's similar to Killmonger in that way. They both recognized a problem and then picked the worst possible way to solve it. Killmonger was a straight up killer though and we got to see the hurt and anguish real up close and they also fully explained his beef with wakandan leaders for killing his dad. Ultron had a very simple motivation he was an AI built to protect earth, while learning everything on google he sees humans as the biggest threat to the planet and themselves and wants to take them out. It is pretty easy to understand. Which is better than thanos because we arent supposed to empathize with him or see him as sympathetic, he is strictly just a crazy murderous robot. They weren't trying to do anything especially deep with him, and you don't need to in a comic book movie. Red Skull worked after all and Winter Soldier didn't really have a central antagonist. But when you try for pathos you have to hit it or it comes off like Thanos in Infinity War. |
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Post by Trurl on May 3, 2018 13:55:59 GMT -5
I understand your position Prole Hole but I'm personally closer to oppy all along 's opinion. I found the movie genuinely affecting - less so with the Scarlett Witch and Vision thing but definitely with Iron Man and Spider-Man. Surprisingly, because I'm totally irritated with Iron Man and would have been perfectly happy if he had died. But piling on his PTSD will do. I too think Loki's death worked. He died making a futile gesture, but really who of us hasn't dreamed of trying to kill our current or ex boss? I find it fits in with the character changes we saw in Ragnarok too - he works better in my book as the kind of guy who, when he takes over, spends his days watching shitty laudatory plays than trying to get earth to kneel before him. He's a trickster god, not a genocidal maniac god. Also, is Ant Man going to take place in a universe where *half the people died*? Going to take the edge off the light comedy, I think. |
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Post by Prole Hole on May 3, 2018 14:31:49 GMT -5
I understand your position Prole Hole but I'm personally closer to oppy all along 's opinion. I found the movie genuinely affecting - less so with the Scarlett Witch and Vision thing but definitely with Iron Man and Spider-Man. Surprisingly, because I'm totally irritated with Iron Man and would have been perfectly happy if he had died. But piling on his PTSD will do. I too think Loki's death worked. He died making a futile gesture, but really who of us hasn't dreamed of trying to kill our current or ex boss? I find it fits in with the character changes we saw in Ragnarok too - he works better in my book as the kind of guy who, when he takes over, spends his days watching shitty laudatory plays than trying to get earth to kneel before him. He's a trickster god, not a genocidal maniac god. Also, is Ant Man going to take place in a universe where *half the people died*? Going to take the edge off the light comedy, I think. Maybe if I see it again I'll warm to it more, though that definitely won't happen until it gets its DVD release. I do agree that some (not all) of the Stark/Spidey stuff landed, and Spider-man's "death" is the only one that even came close to having any kind of emotional resonance. Loki, though - na. Assuming it sticks.... |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 14:34:43 GMT -5
Loki's and Spider-Man's deaths were the only ones that worked for me. Loki because it was a culmination of his development since Thor. Spider-Man because the Tom Holland played the sudden realization that you are dying pretty well. Everything else? Ehhhh. Heimdall really hasn't been developed, nameless asgardians just felt like a real whiplash from ragnarok. And all the others who evaporated just didnt seem to get to them added to the fact this is literally have of a story no matter how marvel tries to sell it. It was originally developed as part 1, was filmed in conjunction with the next avengers film and the two next MCU pieces will be some comic relief and then a prequel for captain marvel who is gonna help save the day in the next avengers.
Now if the next avengers is actually not at all a followup with thanos and is the remnants of "the snap" dealing with a total different threat and the resolution is put on hold till like 2021, then I will buy the deaths like the MCU is telling fans to do.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on May 3, 2018 15:15:05 GMT -5
If they were really invested in Loki's death landing, it should have happened at the end of Ragnarok, though I guess it would have been real poor tonal fit in that movie.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 15:37:52 GMT -5
If they were really invested in Loki's death landing, it should have happened at the end of Ragnarok, though I guess it would have been real poor tonal fit in that movie. Kind of like all the other deaths in that movie? But miek isnt dead! |
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Post by Lt. Broccoli on May 3, 2018 16:03:21 GMT -5
We had a preview for a cartoon Spiderman movie before IW, the point of which was "there is more than one Spiderman" or something, so I suppose I could see how Peter Parker is really dead and someone else takes over as Spiderman. I don't believe it for a second, but I could see it.
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on May 3, 2018 16:39:05 GMT -5
Hmm, it's been a minute since I watched the first Cap movie, maybe it seemed more obvious if that was fresh in your memory. I just saw all these people automatically assuming it was Red Skull and thinking, "it's not even the same fucking stone!" Yeah, it looked and sounded exactly like Red Skull and IMDB has the character listed as "Red Skull (Stonekeeper)." It is a different actor. But why pay Hugo Weaving for 2 minutes of screen time when you can just pay the dude from Walking Dead who does really good celebrity impressions. Still, Red Skull did die touching the Tesseract (Mind Stone) which for some reason made him the protector of the Soul Stone for the last 70 years. I guess the previous protector must have retired. I'm going to go with pointless cameo for nerds. Like Howard The Duck at the end of GOTG. It's been pretty well implied in interviews taht Hugo Weaving really didn't like doing the Red Skull role, so they probably had very little choice in going with another actor. |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on May 3, 2018 16:42:58 GMT -5
Yeah, it looked and sounded exactly like Red Skull and IMDB has the character listed as "Red Skull (Stonekeeper)." It is a different actor. But why pay Hugo Weaving for 2 minutes of screen time when you can just pay the dude from Walking Dead who does really good celebrity impressions. Still, Red Skull did die touching the Tesseract (Mind Stone) which for some reason made him the protector of the Soul Stone for the last 70 years. I guess the previous protector must have retired. I'm going to go with pointless cameo for nerds. Like Howard The Duck at the end of GOTG. It's been pretty well implied in interviews taht Hugo Weaving really didn't like doing the Red Skull role, so they probably had very little choice in going with another actor. Which leads me back to my question of is this a thing from the comics? Because otherwise, why did it have to be Red Skull guarding the Soul Stone. It doesn't really add anything to scene. |
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on May 3, 2018 16:51:59 GMT -5
If they were really invested in Loki's death landing, it should have happened at the end of Ragnarok, though I guess it would have been real poor tonal fit in that movie. Kind of like all the other deaths in that movie? I will not hear a word against that movie. It was simply delightful. |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on May 4, 2018 9:35:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 9:41:51 GMT -5
Spot on. Also, The Last Jedi was visually a great movie. That scene where Snoke's ship was taken out was a thing of beauty, and honestly I can't think of any MCU film with a scene that was as visually stunning as that. |
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on May 4, 2018 13:39:01 GMT -5
Spot on. Also, The Last Jedi was visually a great movie. That scene where Snoke's ship was taken out was a thing of beauty, and honestly I can't think of any MCU film with a scene that was as visually stunning as that. On the other hand, Infinity War doesn't have a scene as ugly as the casino one in Last Jedi. And yeah, I agree with the gist of the article, but I won't deny that I got more enjoyment out of Infinity War compared to Last Jedi. |
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Post by The Stuffingtacular She-Hulk on May 4, 2018 14:39:20 GMT -5
So, now that we know the MCU and Arrested Development are actually the same universe, I would like to propose that Avengers 4 begin with Lucille Bluth sipping on a double martini and staring down Thanos until he becomes uncomfortable and leaves Earth forever.
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Post by Ben Grimm on May 4, 2018 16:14:32 GMT -5
So, now that we know the MCU and Arrested Development are actually the same universe, I would like to propose that Avengers 4 begin with Lucille Bluth sipping on a double martini and staring down Thanos until he becomes uncomfortable and leaves Earth forever. Season 5 of Arrested Development will take place in a world where half the people have been snapped out by Thanos. It'll allow them to get rid of the more problematic actors, and anyone asking for too much money. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 16:43:41 GMT -5
So, now that we know the MCU and Arrested Development are actually the same universe, I would like to propose that Avengers 4 begin with Lucille Bluth sipping on a double martini and staring down Thanos until he becomes uncomfortable and leaves Earth forever. Or she will be left with just Gob. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 12:40:12 GMT -5
"I am Groot." "I am Steve Rogers."  All of the interactions with the characters meeting each other were PERFECT. "Wait, you know Thor?" "Yeah, tall, not so great looking guy..." Bruce and Shuri! Thor, Groot and "RABBIT!" Doctor Strange and Tony!!! I know it was in one of the trailers, but the whole "Hi, I'm Peter!" "I'm Doctor Strange." "Oh, uh, we're using our pretend names, okay. I'm Spider-Man!" was still one of the biggest laughs. |
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Post by liebkartoffel on May 6, 2018 18:33:01 GMT -5
It's the cinematic equivalent of smashing some action figures together and it all amounts to a shameless set up for the sequel, but...yeah, I'm fine with that.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 20:34:20 GMT -5
ALSO ALSO also - I really, REALLY wish Agents of SHIELD would get to fucking streaming faster, so I could be caught up from that angle too!
(Maria AND Nick? COME ON!!!)
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 21:17:19 GMT -5
Hey guys, groot's last words to rocket were according to james gunn...... "dad"
MWHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Post by oppy all along on May 6, 2018 21:30:28 GMT -5
Hey guys, groot's last words to rocket were according to james gunn...... "dad" MWHAHAHAHAHAHA No, bad James Gunn. Bad. |
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Post by oppy all along on May 7, 2018 20:19:31 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 9:25:21 GMT -5
The Russos keep acting like everyone being dead is real, and each time the say the more I lose respect for them. Stop insulting our intelligence when your production company has had guardians 3 announced since last year. Unless you are willing to really tell us that yes, the MCU is going to make guardians 3 with only rocket and nebula and a bunch of new guys. Which who wants to watch a guardians movie without groot, drax, star lord, gamora, and mantis?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 19:26:50 GMT -5
uproxx.com/movies/russo-brothers-spider-man-black-panther-avengers-infinity-war/First it is "star lord wont get redemption because he is dead" now it is black panther is dead. You know the star of one of the MCU's newest franchises that made shit tons of money, also killmonger burned down the special flowers that give the black panther superhuman strength, so they arent even being clever about the deaths being able to stick. And apparently the best emotional moment of the entire film, spider man saying he didnt want to go was improvised by Tom Holland. They didn't even write the only emotional beat that really worked.
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