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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Dec 20, 2019 12:24:19 GMT -5
Ok so we saw it last night and y’all, this is the Star Wars version of Endgame. I liked Endgame, I liked ROS. Jam packed and full of callbacks. It’s not a perfect movie but I liked it. And so did my hardcore Star Wars fan husband. It’s entertainment. It’s not Cats. Enjoy it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:03:01 GMT -5
Last Jedi: No Knights of Ren, where are they? Rise of Skywalker: Knights of Ren are shown walking on a Star Destroyer and a stormtrooper says this line verbatim "those are the knights of ren, cool" THAT'S AN ACTUAL FUCKING LINE, with no followup! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH! The Knights of Ren are not cool if you don't even fucking KNOW WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR! Is there a fat dude in a fedora saluting with a "M'Lando" when Calrissian arrives? |
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Post by Powerthirteen on Dec 20, 2019 13:08:53 GMT -5
Fuck I'm so annoyed and sad and angry about all of this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:12:33 GMT -5
Ok so we saw it last night and y’all, this is the Star Wars version of Endgame. I liked Endgame, I liked ROS. Jam packed and full of callbacks. It’s not a perfect movie but I liked it. And so did my hardcore Star Wars fan husband. It’s entertainment. It’s not Cats. Enjoy it. Im sorry, I just can't enjoy this movie when it was purposely made to undermine Last Jedi and appease a shitty whiny fanbase. If that backlash never happened, I'm pretty sure this would be a different movie. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:15:57 GMT -5
Fuck I'm so annoyed and sad and angry about all of this. It is more sadness than anger for me. Like after the initial release I probably won't want to talk about it. Just why bother. The worst part is now that this is in existence, anytime I rewatch Last Jedi I won't be able to divorce what came after. This could have been taken in so many different and interesting directions. |
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Post by Powerthirteen on Dec 20, 2019 13:19:11 GMT -5
Fuck I'm so annoyed and sad and angry about all of this. It is more sadness than anger for me. Like after the initial release I probably won't want to talk about it. Just why bother. The worst part is now that this is in existence, anytime I rewatch Last Jedi I won't be able to divorce what came after. This could have been taken in so many different and interesting directions. |
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Dec 20, 2019 16:36:16 GMT -5
Ok so we saw it last night and y’all, this is the Star Wars version of Endgame. I liked Endgame, I liked ROS. Jam packed and full of callbacks. It’s not a perfect movie but I liked it. And so did my hardcore Star Wars fan husband. It’s entertainment. It’s not Cats. Enjoy it. Im sorry, I just can't enjoy this movie when it was purposely made to undermine Last Jedi and appease a shitty whiny fanbase. If that backlash never happened, I'm pretty sure this would be a different movie. You’re letting media attention get in your head too much. It’s not that serious. I’m not saying you have to love it or even like it but for Pete’s sake everyone is seriously overanalyzing it. look, I loved Last Jedi and probably Rian Johnson’s version would’ve been better but i hate all these fucking article whining about whiners. I don’t think the fuckboys won. I think Abrams had a lot of loose ends and people to please and plot to get through and no Carrie Fisher and he did his best. Let people enjoy things? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 16:50:03 GMT -5
Im sorry, I just can't enjoy this movie when it was purposely made to undermine Last Jedi and appease a shitty whiny fanbase. If that backlash never happened, I'm pretty sure this would be a different movie. You’re letting media attention get in your head too much. It’s not that serious. I’m not saying you have to love it or even like it but for Pete’s sake everyone is seriously overanalyzing it. look, I loved Last Jedi and probably Rian Johnson’s version would’ve been better but i hate all these fucking article whining about whiners. I don’t think the fuckboys won. I think Abrams had a lot of loose ends and people to please and plot to get through and no Carrie Fisher and he did his best. Let people enjoy things? I never said you can't enjoy it. I said I couldn't. We are just going to have to disagree on if this movie was made with a response to what happened with Last Jedi, and I genuinely think it was. What I post are my thoughts and my thoughts alone, I'm not telling anyone to join me in not liking it. I'm not going to petition for this movie to be changed or remade. I wish it was something I could enjoy, but unfortunately it isn't. |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Dec 20, 2019 18:06:11 GMT -5
I will say this about about the TRoS: I was never bored. As a standalone movie, it includes a bunch of fun set pieces and characters and satisfying emotional moments. One could argue that it works better as a videogame than a film--the snake pit level! the snow city level! the return to Endor level!--but that's pretty much been true of every main stream action movie for the past few years. As an in-the-moment experience, I laughed, I cheered, I got all emotional at that Tatooine scene that mimics the one from A New Hope--I generally enjoyed myself more than I expected, given the reviews.
In terms of overarching mythology and building a satisfying conclusion to a nine film series, however, this was some hacky-ass sub-par fanfiction bullshit. No one had even mentioned the word "Palpatine" in the previous two movies but now...he's back! Thanks to, uh, "dark science." No further explanation. He's just there, right at the beginning of the movie. That great redemptive act from the original trilogy, where Darth Vader sacrificed himself to kill the Emperor and save his son? Just kind of...undone, off-screen. Oh, and he's Rey's grandpappy, because only about five people and their very slightly extended family have ever mattered in this galaxy. Who was Palpatine's son? Why did he hate his own father so much? Where did his wife come from, living, presumably, on that weird Sith storm planet? Who cares. What's important is it turns out that Rey's parents mattered very much, Rian, and she's a very important child of destiny. So there. Sigh. Whatever. At least the "Skywalker Saga" is (fingers crossed) over and done with, and future Star Wars movies (knock on wood) won't feel quite so freighted with fan expectations.
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Post by liebkartoffel on Dec 20, 2019 18:26:56 GMT -5
I will now list some of the things I liked. While I think this movie is a hot steaming pile of garbage that was made for the sole purpose of undermining the Last Jedi, it is still Star Wars and has some cool things in it. - Babu Frik is my boy. Just give him and Baby Yoda a sitcom. I will watch the fuck out of it. Seconded on Babu Frik. More Babu! And the little wheel droid was cute. Also, I liked Kerri Russell's character a lot, even if she felt shoehorned in a "oh yeah, we never bothered to give Poe a (female, goddamnit!) love interest" sort of way. Naomi Ackie's character was also fine, but metatextually her inclusion felt a lot like "fuck you, Rian--I'm sidelining your Finn love interest in favor of someone with his exact same backstory and is therefore suspiciously perfect for him." I know The Force works in mysterious ways, but it's kind of hilarious that Ghost Anakin never did bother to visit his fanboy grandson just to tell to stop being such an emo wannabe. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 20, 2019 19:47:21 GMT -5
I just got back from seeing it. Count me on Team "the fuckboys won". Oh my God, this is a sad, pitiful movie. I can't believe Disney let those asshole trolls win. So depressing. It feels especially awful that those trolls succeeded in rendering Rose a background character.
There are definitely some fun scenes in it. And I still really like the cast. But it is also filled with bad choices. I just can't get over how shockingly safe it is. To the severe detriment of the film. It is cowardly. I remember when I saw The Last Jedi, and people in the audience were cheering at several scenes. This movie provoked nothing but groans and snorts of laughter. There is utterly nothing new in it.
I will say, I greatly appreciated the movie putting that ridiculous Palpatine scene at the beginning, that way I knew immediately how bad it was going to be. I was glad it didn't get my hopes up just to smash them in the last 20 minutes, or something.
It's somehow worse than I expected! Palpatine is alive, somehow. The film won't bother telling you how or why. And - OH MY GOD - literally cloning Snoke. Little Snokes in vats. But hey, no matter, it's all been Palpatine all along! Cool, cool, glad to know Anakin's one decent act in the OG trilogy didn't matter at all! And hey, remember how cool it was when Kylo Ren killed Snoke in the Last Jedi? Ha! Never mind. He was just doing what Palpatine wanted all along!
And just in case you weren't sure what was happening here, the film makes sure that Palpatine literally repeats lines he's spoken in other Star Wars films. You guys loved that opera scene in the prequels right? You know, the only scene everyone liked? We'll just do that again!
Just want to repeat what @matt1 said earlier, but in one of the next scenes some First Order dude literally says "Ooh, the Knights of Ren. Cool!" Which is an instant competitor for worst line of dialogue ever spoken in Star Wars. And I'm including the prequels.
After this point, there is a string of scenes I actually liked. Even though the entire middle part of the movie is characters chasing a mcguffin, I did like seeing the main group of characters interact. (Though why was R2D2 left behind? That was strange.) Off we go to yet another desert planet (sigh), hey Lando's back. Yay. Even though this was all safe, and predictable, it was fun. Liked seeing them maneuver their way onto and off of a desert planet.
I did enjoy C3PO telling them he was not *allowed* to translate the Sith language. Sure, it was entirely done to kill time, but I enjoyed it. Yikes though, this group was pretty cavalier about wiping his memory. (Not to worry. This is a very safe movie with almost zero stakes. His memory gets restored at the end.)
I also liked them going to an apparently cold planet to meet some people Poe used to know. I liked the detail of them putting C3PO in a warm coat. It was nice to see a new place and hear something new about a character. Even if the movie did just use it to make Poe seem more like Han Solo, which was ugh, but at least mildly acceptable. (One of the other things I enjoyed about this movie is how hot Oscar Isaac is.)
I also liked Babu Frik. Very fun character.
Possibly the worst thing about this movie is the reveal that Rey is Palpatine's granddaughter. That is so, so, so, so awful. Again, worse than I was expecting. Not that I enjoy citing the prequels, but it wasn't just Rian Johnson saying Jedi could come from anywhere. In the prequels the Jedi were said to come from all over the Republic, and the Jedi were basically monks who didn't marry. So, no Jedi we knew came from Jedi parents. Except Luke (and Leia). I'm not sure how Rian Johnson saying the same thing in The Last Jedi was somehow controversial. But, Disney was so afraid of the fuckboy bitching about this, that of course Rey has to be a Royal Space Princess. God forbid that someone be able to make a difference if they come from nothing.
*Several* people in my audience audibly groaned at this reveal.
Also, WTF, Palpatine had a kid? Whaaaaaaaat? This seems.....whaaaaaat?
The scenes with the downed Death Star were pretty good. Nice visual. I did like meeting a bunch more Storm Trooper defectors. Would have preferred more new places and less callbacks to the past, though. And I actually didn't much like the Kylo Ren- Rey lightsaber fight here. It felt very static and went on too long. And I'm not entirely sure the "Leia connecting to Kylo Ren" thing really worked. I'm not too fond of digitally recreating actors, but they maybe needed to do something a bit more with Leia here for this to hit as strongly as the scene required.
I know I've made my point already that the movie is relying too much on the past, but it really hurts when Kylo Ren's big turn comes through a conversation with the memory of Han Solo, wherein Kylo Ren speaks the exact same dialogue he had in "The Force Awakens". I don't find these dialogue repeats to be resonant. Not when the entire rest of the film is derivative of earlier Star Wars.
The ending sequence of the film, of course, is just the end of Return of the Jedi. The only thing I liked about this is the brief scenes when Kylo Ren comes to help Rey with Palpatine. I liked them using their connection to pass the lightsaber to him. Hated everything else involving Palpatine.
Right before Rey and Kylo Ren kiss at the end, the woman behind me sighed. "Reylo!" When they kissed, my friend whispered, "That's not a choice I would have made."
Big fleet battle scene was fine.
Overall, it has some fun scenes, but it's bad. Really bad. My friend did not like it. She was really upset that it "shit all over The Last Jedi" and "capitulated to a handful of trolls". She had pre-bought tickets to three showings today. She said she was going to go to the second one, just to see if her opinion improved. But she was likely returning her tickets for showing #3.
I'm already scheduled to see it again with some friends tomorrow. I'll give it another chance. But I doubt anything can change my reaction to the chickenshit move of making Palpatine the bad guy.
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Post by liebkartoffel on Dec 21, 2019 2:56:06 GMT -5
Sorry, one more thing. I just can't get over how dumb the final confrontation with Palpatine is. RotJ--which this movie half-heartedly apes, because it has nothing better to do--is all about redemption. Luke doesn't know and doesn't even really give a shit about Palpatine. He doesn't want to beat the bad guy, he wants to save his father. His great act of Jedi heroism is putting away his weapon and refusing to kill, thus allowing Vader his opportunity of redemption in saving his son.
Rey, on the other hand, just blows Palpatine up. Well, first she kinda refuses to kill him because something something dark ritual, but then some other stuff happens and then she activates her limit break and shoots out a lightsaber beam and melts his face off. That's it, just blow up the bad guy. So, in order to manufacture any sort of emotional stakes and personal motivation for Rey the movie declares that she's Palpatine's granddaughter and oh yeah he's the one responsible for killing her parents, whom she never knew, but wait now actually she conveniently remembers just enough about them to know they were nice. So she's mad and conflicted now, kinda. And that's why we should be invested in her fight with a guy she literally just met.
Ben, meanwhile, does get his heel-face turn, but 3/4ths if the way through the movie, and the final confrontation is so convoluted that it's not really clear what his redemption accomplishes, beyond stretching out the final battle. Rey kind of nudges him toward the light, but then immediately fucks off, because, again, it turns out the movie isn't all that much about Ben and Rey's relationship or her attempts to redeem him, it's about her entirely manufactured quest to blow up the bad guy. Ben shows up a bit of the way through the final battle and he and Rey fight the good fight for a while but then it turns out that Palpatine can feed off their special force bond energy for some reason and really that's what he was planning all along(?) so he knocks Ben unconscious and promptly throws him into a pit. But then Rey dies because plot but it turns out Ben was actually alive because plot and then he resurrects her because plot and then they kiss because plot but then, alas, he dies because plot. So we end up with story beats that vaguely resemble Return of the Jedi's in terms of redemption and sacrifice, except lacking any substance or emotional stakes because they had to shoehorn in a pointless confrontation with a superfluous Big Bad.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 21, 2019 3:27:08 GMT -5
^^ Yes, that about sums it up. Someone on another site I'm on was talking about how maybe we're all too jaded to appreciate a "good defeats evil" ending. I put a stop to this line of thinking immediately. I love Star Wars. I LOVE a "good defeats evil" ending. Why would I expect anything else from Episode IX, the third movie in the third trilogy. OF COURSE it is going to be "good defeats evil". That's not the problem with this movie. The problem is that it can't really define what "good" and "evil" even are, or why anyone cares. And the method of HOW good defeats evil is awful. Several people on this other site hadn't seen the movie yet, so that's as much as I could get into without giving them spoilers. But after they see the movie, I may copy your post over there, because this pretty much nails it.
Edited to add: Hilariously, it actually never crossed my mind in the final scene that Rey was trying to kill Palpatine because he killed her parents. This whole reveal just completely fails to register with me, and therefore this whole confrontation felt so rote and boring. I didn't get any kind of deep passion from Rey. Felt more passion from Kylo Ren, but Adam Driver might simply be able to sell the ridiculous writing better. I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 11:28:39 GMT -5
tolerabilityindex.freeforums.net/post/306892Here is a link to my post that followed my first viewing of TLJ. When I say Rise undermines TLJ for me, I mean it. It is just depressing to see them cop out and just give a rehash of return of the jedi. What's the point of having a sequel trilogy and moving it forward if all that is going to be done is a rehash of the OT? We still have the OT. Feels like this just wasted my time and effort. Makes it all just feel pointless. Either let Star Wars grow, or just let it be. The sad part though, too much money for it to just be left alone. Not enough drive/being too afraid to piss off the fuckboys to do anything interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 13:06:35 GMT -5
Fuck JJ Abrams.
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Post by Invisible Goat on Dec 21, 2019 14:49:54 GMT -5
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Post by Ben Grimm on Dec 21, 2019 14:57:43 GMT -5
I think the hardest I've laughed in a movie this year is when Rey's parentage got revealed.
That said, the movie this reminded the most of is Revenge of the Sith. I think part of that is extremely lowered expectations; between the soft reviews and my suspicion that JJ Abrams had one trick and he had already used it, plus the strong and ultimately correct assumption that they were going to backpedal on some of TLJ I just didn't have my sights set that high for this one. Like Revenge of the Sith, this one felt very, very overstuffed in places, with concepts that needed to be introduced in the first movie of a trilogy to work, and it ultimately felt like a trilogy's worth of story in some ways. At the same time time, this was basically an adaptation of Dark Empire, and at least as faithful to that story as the MCU movies generally are to their comics version. I never in a million years anticipated that.
Ultimately, I think I'd put it around where I'd put Solo - better than the Prequels, but that's about it. For all the poor decisions and mess, I liked aspects of it, and so many of the problems seem to stem from a few bad decisions - some of which Abrams made back in TFA - that I'm willing to just shrug, move on, and hope that Rian Johnson gets to make some movies without Abrams being involved at all.
Most of all, this really want to see what George Lucas's treatment was. I strongly suspect it would have been more coherent than whatever this was. Despite that, I still prefer the ST to the PT by a large margin, while both are way behind the OT.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 21, 2019 16:51:44 GMT -5
Oh yeah, forgot about this. Dom Monaghan being in this movie is incredibly distracting. He's so prominent in every Resistance scene. It is jarring to see him in Star Wars. I don't know why he was given all these lines instead of Kelly Marie Tran or even Billie Lourd.
No offense to Monaghan. I like him, it is just weird to see him in Star Wars and irritating that he's given all these lines when actors playing characters we've seen in the Resistance before are just standing in the background.
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Post by Floyd Dinnertime Barber on Dec 21, 2019 17:09:41 GMT -5
It sucked.
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Post by Invisible Goat on Dec 21, 2019 17:46:14 GMT -5
To elaborate a bit there are a thousand dumb things about it and some baffling choices but I thought it was cool visually and surprised me enough that I enjoyed it overall. Even though it was blatant manipulation I still was hit pretty hard by Rey's 2 big lines towards the end. Also I was resigned to the parentage reveal going in so I wasn't as livid about it as I would have been if it was a surprise.
The other thing that had me really negative going in was that I heard Rose had one line which seemed like a concession to the vile people who had a problem with her just existing. And obviously she was sidelined compared to TLJ but it was a lot better than one line, and they also added another young woman of color in a decent role, so maybe it wasn't that.
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Dec 21, 2019 18:55:41 GMT -5
I also liked them going to an apparently cold planet to meet some people Poe used to know. I liked the detail of them putting C3PO in a warm coat.
Also, WTF, Palpatine had a kid? Whaaaaaaaat? This seems.....whaaaaaat?
I’m not going to do a point by point, just wanted to comment on a couple of things: 1. Pretty sure they were all wearing cloaks/coats as disguises, not because it was cold. Walking around with faces on wanted posters and a shiny gold droid is a little conspicuous.*. I was actually fairly annoyed by Keri Russell never taking off her helmet. It’s not like she’s Mandalorian.** 2. I’m not saying I agree with or like the reveal, but I AM saying that Palpatine spent many many years as a politician, hiding his true identity, and there is nothing about him having a wife & kids that would be out-of-place in that time of his life. Additionally, if you think Palaptine never sexually abused female captives or servants, then I don’t know what to tell you. Of course he did; that’s what guys like that do. (Also he apparently could have very easily have cloned a son) * I was unreasonably irritated by 3PO’s shininess. Why would he be perfectly polished all the time? ** yeah almost rolled my eyes out of my head at spice runner Poe. Han Solo-type doesn’t mean he has to have done all the same shit Han did. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 21, 2019 19:12:27 GMT -5
I also liked them going to an apparently cold planet to meet some people Poe used to know. I liked the detail of them putting C3PO in a warm coat.
Also, WTF, Palpatine had a kid? Whaaaaaaaat? This seems.....whaaaaaat?
I’m not going to do a point by point, just wanted to comment on a couple of things: 1. Pretty sure they were all wearing cloaks/coats as disguises, not because it was cold. Walking around with faces on wanted posters and a shiny gold droid is a little conspicuous.*. I was actually fairly annoyed by Keri Russell never taking off her helmet. It’s not like she’s Mandalorian.** 2. I’m not saying I agree with or like the reveal, but I AM saying that Palpatine spent many many years as a politician, hiding his true identity, and there is nothing about him having a wife & kids that would be out-of-place in that time of his life. Additionally, if you think Palaptine never sexually abused female captives or servants, then I don’t know what to tell you. Of course he did; that’s what guys like that do. (Also he apparently could have very easily have cloned a son) * I was unreasonably irritated by 3PO’s shininess. Why would he be perfectly polished all the time? ** yeah almost rolled my eyes out of my head at spice runner Poe. Han Solo-type doesn’t mean he has to have done all the same shit Han did.
1. Yes, but we've never seen Star Wars characters attempt to disguise a droid before. Which amused me. It definitely seemed cold though, as it was snowing and/or there was snow on the ground. And those big coats wouldn't be a way to blend in unless everyone else was also wearing them.
2. My issue with Palpatine is that he's so power hungry and controlling that I can't see why he'd have a son who apparently just moved away to live a normal life. Like, Palpatine wasn't even after them until they had Rey? This seems incredibly unlikely. Especially as compared to what the prequels imply about his role in Anakin's conception, as well as what this movie says about him with Snoke/Kylo Ren.
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Dec 21, 2019 22:58:09 GMT -5
I’m not going to do a point by point, just wanted to comment on a couple of things: 1. Pretty sure they were all wearing cloaks/coats as disguises, not because it was cold. Walking around with faces on wanted posters and a shiny gold droid is a little conspicuous.*. I was actually fairly annoyed by Keri Russell never taking off her helmet. It’s not like she’s Mandalorian.** 2. I’m not saying I agree with or like the reveal, but I AM saying that Palpatine spent many many years as a politician, hiding his true identity, and there is nothing about him having a wife & kids that would be out-of-place in that time of his life. Additionally, if you think Palaptine never sexually abused female captives or servants, then I don’t know what to tell you. Of course he did; that’s what guys like that do. (Also he apparently could have very easily have cloned a son) * I was unreasonably irritated by 3PO’s shininess. Why would he be perfectly polished all the time? ** yeah almost rolled my eyes out of my head at spice runner Poe. Han Solo-type doesn’t mean he has to have done all the same shit Han did.
1. Yes, but we've never seen Star Wars characters attempt to disguise a droid before. Which amused me. It definitely seemed cold though, as it was snowing and/or there was snow on the ground. And those big coats wouldn't be a way to blend in unless everyone else was also wearing them.
2. My issue with Palpatine is that he's so power hungry and controlling that I can't see why he'd have a son who apparently just moved away to live a normal life. Like, Palpatine wasn't even after them until they had Rey? This seems incredibly unlikely. Especially as compared to what the prequels imply about his role in Anakin's conception, as well as what this movie says about him with Snoke/Kylo Ren.
Well, just to play it out, if his son showed no Force ability, he wouldn’t have given a shit about the kid. And I would think it’s more like the son RAN away as fast and as far as his legs would carry him, as soon as he was able. With a whole galaxy to search, and the events of Rogue One through eps 4-6 and the aftermath to worry about, it’s not unbelievable that it would have taken some time to hunt them down. But if you go the illegitimate child route, the mother could have taken off before Palpatine even knew she was pregnant, and he could have not discovered such a son existed until Rey pinged his Force radar or whatever. (In my brain,it’s like a far less specific version of movie-verse Cerebro, where you could sense a blood relation in the Force but not really pinpoint any location) (look it’s the Force, ok;Obi-wan couldn’t tell Anakin & Padmé were banging, but Finn could sense Rey. It can do what you want it to). (HA Safari autocorrected her name to add the accent mark) oh shit am I gonna start writing Star Wars fanfic |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 0:25:30 GMT -5
If we are being generous, Palps was already like in his 50s by phantom menace. No fucking way that dude had a son who was only like 30 after Return.
Also, he was shown to have like no actual private life. Just politics and sith shit. If anything, having a family and having to hide that shit would make no sense for a dude who is secretly planning to ovethrow a galactic republic. Also, just the mere idea of palpatine fucks is gross.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 2:35:26 GMT -5
Yes, it was stupid. But it was also mostly fun. I did enjoy listening to the guy and his friend/girlfriend/wife sitting next to us where she was constantly asking "who the fuck is THAT" and he was giggling - albeit quietly - during most of the "serious" scenes.
I was also thinking of Dark Empire. And how Dark Empire 1 was good, but Dark Empire 2 not so much, so together they added up to a "meh". Which is about what this movie gets from me. It was worse than I had hoped, but better than I feared it was going to be.
Still though, fuck JJ Abrams.
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Post by Trurl on Dec 22, 2019 9:08:13 GMT -5
I liked it fine, and I wasn't bored. But I've been disappointed with Star Wars since Jedi. Which reminds me - everything wrong with Star Wars was done in Jedi first:
- nonsensical plotting? I mean, what was the actual *plan* for rescuing Han?
- throwing away interesting things introduced in previous movies? Boba-fucking-Fett, the greatest bounty hunter in the galaxy, dies because Han blindly triggered his rocket pack.
- handwaving? "Oh yeah, when I said your father died I was speaking metaphorically"
- Ewoks
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Dec 22, 2019 9:26:08 GMT -5
I do think the same director for all 3 might have helped, but will note that through 9 movies, plot consistency has never been a strong point of this series. There are retcons all over the place.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 10:22:49 GMT -5
Dude, no.
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Dec 22, 2019 16:24:59 GMT -5
I enjoyed it well enough. A few people in the audience (including me) were audibly disappointed with the Rey Palpatine thing, which is midichlorian-level terrible. Two female characters kiss in a short "are you happy now, Finn/Poe shippers, now there is a gay?" scene. I agree with many of the other posters that the fuckbois had way too much influence on this movie.
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But as a lifelong fan, I appreciated most of the fanservice. Was one of the statues Darth Nihilus from KOTOR 2? Also when did Harrison Ford turn into Sam Waterston? I need to watch this movie with subtitles on because I have no idea what half of the dialogue was.
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Post by Trurl on Dec 22, 2019 17:05:35 GMT -5
I just want to add that I really like Daisy Ridley's performance in all the sequels - I liked the rawness that she gave Rey. Whatever the problems with the movies were, it was never her.
Hayden Christiansen had harder row to hoe, what with worse dialog and directing - I'm not sure that any actor would have had the chops to elevate that crap.
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