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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Dec 30, 2019 11:35:12 GMT -5
LazBro On the contrary, I think my favorite absolutely nonsensical thing about the film is when the one First Order officer is all like "We're going to be expanding our fleet 10,000 fold, how is that shit going to work," and the other officer just offhandedly goes "Yeah we'll definitely have to step up our conscription efforts," and then they just apparently assume such a logistical challenge requires no further discussion. I thought that shit was fucking hilarious. Also one incorrect "Maybe this will happen..." prediction I had at this point that I think would have made the Palpatine stuff marginally less dogshit was that Palpatine had just erected a Potemkin fleet and the vast vast majority of those Star Destroyers were an illusion or they were hastily-assembled fakes, but apparently they were all real. My question, however, is this: were those Star Destroyers all manned during the final battle? I don't remember seeing all of them manned, is it possible that basically you just had the full First Order show up to take command of the new fleet and this in and of itself was such a massive challenge for the small resistance prior to Lando showing up?
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Post by patbat on Dec 30, 2019 11:36:27 GMT -5
Jon M. Chu, director of the truly execrable Crazy Rich Asians, wants to make a Star Wars movie focused on Rose and I'm torn It sucks because it's shitty people's fault but...is there even enough of a character established there to carry a whole movie? I mean, so far they've made literally one movie about a character who was sufficiently established...and it turned out to be Solo |
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Post by Superb Owl ๐ฆ on Dec 30, 2019 11:39:55 GMT -5
I wish they could have just adapted the Thrawn books, only problem is that the main cast was too old to really do that. I think you could alter enough beats to make it work with older characters (a little less action for Luke, a lot less pregnant for Leia). Really what wouldn't make it work is how much of that story hinges on them struggling to keep the fledgling New Republic afloat, which makes sense when set a mere 5 years after RotJ, but is kind of an indictment of our heroes' competence set 30ish years later. I guess that would also apply to the whole "2 different radical Imperial-offshoots manage to consolidate huge amounts of power, massive fleets, and superweapons under your nose" thing though... |
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Post by nowimnothing on Dec 30, 2019 11:42:08 GMT -5
Nobody has mentioned my least favorite pock mark on the credibility score, which is Palpatine's MASSIVE FUCKING FLEET that is somehow also FULLY STAFFED. Where the fuck did these people come from? The First Order is still the First Order, it's got it's own shit going on, so these aren't defections as far as we're aware ... are they old Empire leftovers (who aren't nearly old enough to be so?) I mean I know at the end the First Order and Final Order are the same thing ... but while the star destroyers were being built and staffed ... where did these fucking people come from? And don't forget, every single one of those Star Destroyers is as powerful as the original Death Star, because apparently Star Wars movie writers are incapable of imagining stakes beyond "planet-killing superweapon." According to Wookiepedia, the standard crew complement of a Star Destroyer 46,785. I think I remember Palpatine or someone saying they're all staffed with conscripts who had been kidnapped as children, meaning that at the climax of the film the Resistance killed hundreds of thousands if not millions of literal child slaves. Fun! Abrams always has to one-up the OT, "Jedi had innocent contractors on the Death Star? What about child slaves? Take that Lucas!" |
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Post by Superb Owl ๐ฆ on Dec 30, 2019 11:42:22 GMT -5
LazBro On the contrary, I think my favorite absolutely nonsensical thing about the film is when the one First Order officer is all like "We're going to be expanding our fleet 10,000 fold, how is that shit going to work," and the other officer just offhandedly goes "Yeah we'll definitely have to step up our conscription efforts," and then they just apparently assume such a logistical challenge requires no further discussion. I thought that shit was fucking hilarious. Also one incorrect "Maybe this will happen..." prediction I had at this point that I think would have made the Palpatine stuff marginally less dogshit was that Palpatine had just erected a Potemkin fleet and the vast vast majority of those Star Destroyers were an illusion or they were hastily-assembled fakes, but apparently they were all real. My question, however, is this: were those Star Destroyers all manned during the final battle? I don't remember seeing all of them manned, is it possible that basically you just had the full First Order show up to take command of the new fleet and this in and of itself was such a massive challenge for the small resistance prior to Lando showing up? Yea, it still would have been insane, but would have made slightly more sense if they'd implied that most of them were drones ganged to a handful of actually-manned command ships. |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Dec 30, 2019 12:10:17 GMT -5
What bothers me most about the sequel trilogy overall--and TLJ might actually be the worst offender in this regard--is that the sense of scale is just all out of whack. It's never clear what the relative sizes of the New Republic, the First Order (and now the Final Order), and the Resistance are supposed to be, and who's in the fight and who's even aware of where and what the fight is. In the original trilogy it makes sense that that destruction of the Death Star is a significant but relatively minor setback for the Empire because, well, they're a galaxy-spanning empire. But the First Order, which is supposed to be (I think) a fraction of the size seems to bounce back just as easily despite the majority of their main (only?) fleet being destroyed on two separate occasions and the sudden murder of their Supreme Leader. The New Republic, meanwhile, just seems to disappear after the First Order's attack in TFA--yeah, six planets, including the capital, are destroyed, but isn't this state supposed to take up most of the galaxy? wouldn't there be a few governments still trying to hold everything together?--leaving the only the Resistance, which is whittled down to a nub in TLJ. So...who's actually governing anything at this point? Is it just complete political anarchy with a bunch of systems being left to their own devices? Wouldn't that be an interesting thing to talk about at some point?
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Post by Superb Owl ๐ฆ on Dec 30, 2019 12:16:36 GMT -5
What bothers me most about the sequel trilogy overall--and TLJ might actually be the worst offender in this regard--is that the sense of scale is just all out of whack. It's never clear what the relative sizes of the New Republic, the First Order (and now the Final Order), and the Resistance are supposed to be, and who's in the fight and who's even aware of where and what the fight is. In the original trilogy it makes sense that that destruction of the Death Star is a significant but relatively minor setback for the Empire because, well, they're a galaxy-spanning empire. But the First Order, which is supposed to be (I think) a fraction of the size seems to bounce back just as easily despite the majority of their main (only?) fleet being destroyed on two separate occasions and the sudden murder of their Supreme Leader. The New Republic, meanwhile, just seems to disappear after the First Order's attack in TFA--yeah, six planets, including the capital, are destroyed, but isn't this state supposed to take up most of the galaxy? wouldn't there be a few governments still trying to hold everything together?--leaving the only the Resistance, which is whittled down to a nub in TLJ. So...who's actually governing anything at this point? Is it just complete political anarchy with a bunch of systems being left to their own devices? Wouldn't that be an interesting thing to talk about at some point? I think that was TFA's biggest shortcoming in terms of setting things up. They were so desperate to ape the "Rebels taking on the big, bad Empire" dynamic (and probably to avoid a set-up that felt too similar to the prequels), which is understandable, but none of it makes any sense. |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Dec 30, 2019 13:07:13 GMT -5
I just want to add that I really like Daisy Ridley's performance in all the sequels - I liked the rawness that she gave Rey. Whatever the problems with the movies were, it was never her. Hayden Christiansen had harder row to hoe, what with worse dialog and directing - I'm not sure that any actor would have had the chops to elevate that crap. Adam Driver is also a hell of an actor and thereโs no doubt the writing is light years better; Lucas was lousy at dialogue. But I saw Shattered Glass and Hayden Christiansen is just not a great actor. Heโs good at looking anguished. Yeah, Prequels Anakin was awful because of a combination of incredibly shitty writing AND the performances of Christiansen/Lloyd in the part. What I find weird is all the people who are suddenly defending Christiansen as this horribly unfairly maligned actor when if anyone deserves to be cut some slack itโs Jake Lloyd, who was a young child when cast as Anakin and thus doesnโt deserve any of the blame for the final product, but nobody seems to have any qualms about mocking him even though his life went to shit after TPM whereas Christiansen became a very wealthy leading man given chance after chance to redeem himself as a good actor but failing time and again. Also, Obi Wan wasnโt well-written either, but MacGregorโs performance is probably one of the highlights of the prequels. |
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Dec 30, 2019 13:10:26 GMT -5
Adam Driver is also a hell of an actor and thereโs no doubt the writing is light years better; Lucas was lousy at dialogue. But I saw Shattered Glass and Hayden Christiansen is just not a great actor. Heโs good at looking anguished. Yeah, Prequels Anakin was awful because of a combination of incredibly shitty writing AND the performances of Christiansen/Lloyd in the part. What I find weird is all the people who are suddenly defending Christiansen as this horribly unfairly maligned actor when if anyone deserves to be cut some slack itโs Jake Lloyd, who was a young child when cast as Anakin and thus doesnโt deserve any of the blame for the final product, but nobody seems to have any qualms about mocking him even though his life went to shit after TPM whereas Christiansen became a very wealthy leading man given chance after chance to redeem himself as a good actor but failing time and again. Also, Obi Wan wasnโt well-written either, but MacGregorโs performance is probably one of the highlights of the prequels. Yeah, I feel bad for Jake Lloyd, he didn't deserve the hate. (Neither did Ahmed Best (Jar Jar); that accent was all Lucas' fault.) And Ewan McGregor is talented enough that he just had fun chewing the scenery. |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Dec 30, 2019 13:25:21 GMT -5
1. Yes, but we've never seen Star Wars characters attempt to disguise a droid before. Which amused me. It definitely seemed cold though, as it was snowing and/or there was snow on the ground. And those big coats wouldn't be a way to blend in unless everyone else was also wearing them. Didn't BB-88 get disguised when Rose and Finn sneaked onto a First Order spaceshit in Force Awakens? I thought they put thing on him to make him look evil, but could be misremembering things. - They somehow got Freddie Prinze Jr into the actual movies. He is one of the Jedi who speaks to Rey. Was Freddie Prinze Jr. actually playing Kanan or was he just some nameless dude where the fact that the dude who voiced Kanan was now playing some anonymous Jedi was an Easter egg for people who watched Rebels? I hope to Christ Jesus it's canonically Trioculus from those shitty young adult Star Wars novels "chapter books" from the 1990s. I mean just look at this fucking asshole!  Um, hate to break it to you dude, but Trioculus wasnโt actually the Emperorโs son; he was just pretending to be so he could become the new Emperor. The Emperorโs real son was named Triclops, and his third eye was in the back of his head.  |
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Post by Superb Owl ๐ฆ on Dec 30, 2019 13:26:37 GMT -5
Didn't BB-88 get disguised when Rose and Finn sneaked onto a First Order spaceshit in Force Awakens? I thought they put thing on him to make him look evil, but could be misremembering things. Was Freddie Prinze Jr. actually playing Kanan or was he just some nameless dude where the fact that the dude who voiced Kanan was now playing some anonymous Jedi was an Easter egg for people who watched Rebels? I hope to Christ Jesus it's canonically Trioculus from those shitty young adult Star Wars novels "chapter books" from the 1990s. I mean just look at this fucking asshole! Um , hate to break it to you dude, but Trioculus wasnโt actually the Emperorโs son; he was just pretending to be so he could become the new Emperor. The Emperorโs real son was named Triclops, and his third eye was in the back of his head. and where was ZORBA THE HUTT, dammit!! |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Dec 30, 2019 13:30:55 GMT -5
Um , hate to break it to you dude, but Trioculus wasnโt actually the Emperorโs son; he was just pretending to be so he could become the new Emperor. The Emperorโs real son was named Triclops, and his third eye was in the back of his head. and where was ZORBA THE HUTT, dammit!! Iโd also like to point out that the Jedi Prince seriesโ protagonist was a boy named Ken who joins the Rebel Alliance and turns out to be the son of Triclops, making him, like Rey, the grandchild of the Emperor. JJ Abrams literally ripped off the most notoriously horrible books in the EU to conclude the sequel trilogy. |
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Post by Superb Owl ๐ฆ on Dec 30, 2019 13:34:22 GMT -5
and where was ZORBA THE HUTT, dammit!! Iโd also like to point out that the Jedi Prince seriesโ protagonist was a boy named Ken who joins the Rebel Alliance and turns out to be the son of Triclops, making him, like Rey, the grandchild of the Emperor. JJ Abrams literally ripped off the most notoriously horrible books in the EU to conclude the sequel trilogy. Oh god, I'd forgotten all the Jedi Prince nonsense. I think even as a kid squarely in the right demographic for those books I said 'F this' and just started reading Zahn instead of finishing the series. I'm now legitimately surprised that JJ didn't have the Resistance operating out of Mount Yoda base on Dagobah. |
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Dec 30, 2019 20:04:04 GMT -5
donโt you EVER, EVER, FUCK WITH CHEWBACCA LIKE THAT, I SWEAR TO BABY YODA I WILL FUCKING END YOU- Had you not seen the clip from the trailers where Lando is doing the Mario-from-video-games "Wahoo!" in the Falcon with Chewbacca, and did you not, like me, almost immediately realize, "Oh, Chewbacca is definitely not dead yet because Lando hasn't Mario-from-video-games "Wahoo'd!" in the Falcon with him yet in this movie and I know that still has to canonically happen before the film is over."? omg that is not even the point |
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Post by Powerthirteen on Dec 30, 2019 20:15:44 GMT -5
What bothers me most about the sequel trilogy overall--and TLJ might actually be the worst offender in this regard--is that the sense of scale is just all out of whack. It's never clear what the relative sizes of the New Republic, the First Order (and now the Final Order), and the Resistance are supposed to be, and who's in the fight and who's even aware of where and what the fight is. In the original trilogy it makes sense that that destruction of the Death Star is a significant but relatively minor setback for the Empire because, well, they're a galaxy-spanning empire. But the First Order, which is supposed to be (I think) a fraction of the size seems to bounce back just as easily despite the majority of their main (only?) fleet being destroyed on two separate occasions and the sudden murder of their Supreme Leader. The New Republic, meanwhile, just seems to disappear after the First Order's attack in TFA--yeah, six planets, including the capital, are destroyed, but isn't this state supposed to take up most of the galaxy? wouldn't there be a few governments still trying to hold everything together?--leaving the only the Resistance, which is whittled down to a nub in TLJ. So...who's actually governing anything at this point? Is it just complete political anarchy with a bunch of systems being left to their own devices? Wouldn't that be an interesting thing to talk about at some point? To be fair I get this same feeling of scale confusion in the original trilogy, especially Star Wars itself, in which the Rebellion's entire armada is apparently like twenty-five ships, judging by what they throw at the Death Star, and then what seems like almost all of those get shot down, but then there are hundreds of people on hand for the medal ceremony, so apparently it takes a LOT of bureaucrats and support staff to run a Rebellion. And then in ESB there are... fifteen snowspeeders and six transports? Maybe? At any rate, in almost every movie it seems like the Rebellion 1) only has a tiny fleet but also 2) has an unlimited reserve of replacement ships of various kinds on a storage planet somewhere except 3) when it's RoJ and suddenly there are dozens of capital ships from... somewhere. In conclusion I regret to announce that I don't think that anyone ever sat down and properly worked out how many people and ships the Rebellion had, or went to the bother of counting how many ships there are at the beginning of any given battle and then making sure that number properly diminishes as the battle progresses and we see them get shot down (except for the opening scene of TLJ, which I greatly appreciated for that reason.) Where, I ask you, is JRR Tolkien when you need him to properly fuss over keeping your story's minutiae straight? |
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Post by Powerthirteen on Dec 30, 2019 20:18:56 GMT -5
Didn't BB-88 get disguised when Rose and Finn sneaked onto a First Order spaceshit in Force Awakens? I thought they put thing on him to make him look evil, but could be misremembering things. Was Freddie Prinze Jr. actually playing Kanan or was he just some nameless dude where the fact that the dude who voiced Kanan was now playing some anonymous Jedi was an Easter egg for people who watched Rebels? I hope to Christ Jesus it's canonically Trioculus from those shitty young adult Star Wars novels "chapter books" from the 1990s. I mean just look at this fucking asshole! Um, hate to break it to you dude, but Trioculus wasnโt actually the Emperorโs son; he was just pretending to be so he could become the new Emperor. The Emperorโs real son was named Triclops, and his third eye was in the back of his head.  |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Dec 30, 2019 20:54:49 GMT -5
What bothers me most about the sequel trilogy overall--and TLJ might actually be the worst offender in this regard--is that the sense of scale is just all out of whack. It's never clear what the relative sizes of the New Republic, the First Order (and now the Final Order), and the Resistance are supposed to be, and who's in the fight and who's even aware of where and what the fight is. In the original trilogy it makes sense that that destruction of the Death Star is a significant but relatively minor setback for the Empire because, well, they're a galaxy-spanning empire. But the First Order, which is supposed to be (I think) a fraction of the size seems to bounce back just as easily despite the majority of their main (only?) fleet being destroyed on two separate occasions and the sudden murder of their Supreme Leader. The New Republic, meanwhile, just seems to disappear after the First Order's attack in TFA--yeah, six planets, including the capital, are destroyed, but isn't this state supposed to take up most of the galaxy? wouldn't there be a few governments still trying to hold everything together?--leaving the only the Resistance, which is whittled down to a nub in TLJ. So...who's actually governing anything at this point? Is it just complete political anarchy with a bunch of systems being left to their own devices? Wouldn't that be an interesting thing to talk about at some point? To be fair I get this same feeling of scale confusion in the original trilogy, especially Star Wars itself, in which the Rebellion's entire armada is apparently like twenty-five ships, judging by what they throw at the Death Star, and then what seems like almost all of those get shot down, but then there are hundreds of people on hand for the medal ceremony, so apparently it takes a LOT of bureaucrats and support staff to run a Rebellion. And then in ESB there are... fifteen snowspeeders and six transports? Maybe? At any rate, in almost every movie it seems like the Rebellion 1) only has a tiny fleet but also 2) has an unlimited reserve of replacement ships of various kinds on a storage planet somewhere except 3) when it's RoJ and suddenly there are dozens of capital ships from... somewhere. In conclusion I regret to announce that I don't think that anyone ever sat down and properly worked out how many people and ships the Rebellion had, or went to the bother of counting how many ships there are at the beginning of any given battle and then making sure that number properly diminishes as the battle progresses and we see them get shot down (except for the opening scene of TLJ, which I greatly appreciated for that reason.) Where, I ask you, is JRR Tolkien when you need him to properly fuss over keeping your story's minutiae straight? At least with the original trilogy, however, we had a general sense of Empire=big and rebels=small. The sequel trilogy doesn't even give us that. |
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Post by Floyd Diabolical Barber on Dec 30, 2019 22:05:25 GMT -5
I hope to Christ Jesus it's canonically Trioculus from those shitty young adult Star Wars novels "chapter books" from the 1990s. I mean just look at this fucking asshole! This just makes me sad thinking how much better TROS would have been if it had turned out to be Bob Dobbs pulling the strings instead of Palpatine. |
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Post by Celebith on Dec 30, 2019 22:58:11 GMT -5
What was Dominic Monaghan doing in this fucking film? Nothing against him, but his character has literally no reason to exist. Nothing he adds is remotely essential to the film. Worse than adding nothing, he's a huge distraction every time he's on screen. "Oh, hey, it's that fucking hobbit guy!" And then he does fuck all to advance anything. At least most of the other cameos were stormtroopers, blink-and-you'll-miss-it, or otherwise less distracting. Did they even address his character by name, or is this going to be another instance where you need ancillary product to get it? |
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Post by Celebith on Dec 30, 2019 23:09:43 GMT -5
LazBro On the contrary, I think my favorite absolutely nonsensical thing about the film is when the one First Order officer is all like "We're going to be expanding our fleet 10,000 fold, how is that shit going to work," and the other officer just offhandedly goes "Yeah we'll definitely have to step up our conscription efforts," and then they just apparently assume such a logistical challenge requires no further discussion. I thought that shit was fucking hilarious. This feels very of-the-moment, but that movie was so batshit full of holes that I hadn't even thought about that ginormous plot hole (staffing 10,000 destroyers in 3 days?) until just now. |
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Post by Celebith on Dec 30, 2019 23:25:21 GMT -5
I don't want to quote reply to everyone, but, as always, #twothings.
1) I feel like I hate this movie for some reasons that have less to do with the movie and more to do with toxic fanboi culture, which makes me sad. that being said, this movie is still a lazy, steaming pile with more holes than plot.
2) You know how you can love someone, but not like them? Well, I like this movie, but I hate it.
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Post by The Thanksgiving Goblin. on Dec 31, 2019 9:37:19 GMT -5
hahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jan 1, 2020 16:42:05 GMT -5
Wouldn't you agree that if they were going to do all this fucking horseshit they should have at least brought Salacious Crumb back to laugh screechingly and sceam "UNA!" at people? Like maybe he could be Palpatine's pet now instead of Jabba's? Even if this wouldn't have made the film better, you have to admit, at least it wouldn't have made it worse, right?
I am confident that this could not have made the film worse.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jan 1, 2020 16:59:04 GMT -5
hahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
So, he's saying Leia could have done this at any point? Just use the Force to flip a switch inside him?
Sigh, remember in TLJ when Kylo Ren was actually a compelling character? Those were good times.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jan 1, 2020 17:01:43 GMT -5
Snoke being a clone of Palpatine just makes little sense. Why is he like 10 feet tall, why if you are cloning someone just make him half burned and fucked up physically? Obviously you can fuck with genetics if you are making this dude 10 feet tall. Wait, was Snoke supposed to be a clone of Palpatine? I got that Palpatine was cloning Snoke, but was I supposed to think that Palpy was cloning *himself*?
Why the fuck would he then need Rey?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha, this movie makes no damned sense at all!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 17:31:35 GMT -5
Snoke being a clone of Palpatine just makes little sense. Why is he like 10 feet tall, why if you are cloning someone just make him half burned and fucked up physically? Obviously you can fuck with genetics if you are making this dude 10 feet tall. Wait, was Snoke supposed to be a clone of Palpatine? I got that Palpatine was cloning Snoke, but was I supposed to think that Palpy was cloning *himself*?
Why the fuck would he then need Rey?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha, this movie makes no damned sense at all!
Yes? It is never outright stated, but palps is the only force sensitive person that could be cloned from. There could be some unnamed person, but that makes another can of worms to be opened. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jan 1, 2020 17:34:50 GMT -5
Wait, was Snoke supposed to be a clone of Palpatine? I got that Palpatine was cloning Snoke, but was I supposed to think that Palpy was cloning *himself*?
Why the fuck would he then need Rey?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha, this movie makes no damned sense at all!
Yes? It is never outright stated, but palps is the only force sensitive person that could be cloned from. There could be some unnamed person, but that makes another can of worms to be opened. I typed and then deleted 6 more questions. I must stop trying to make this movie make sense. I am going to drive myself insane. |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Jan 1, 2020 17:46:13 GMT -5
Wait, was Snoke supposed to be a clone of Palpatine? I got that Palpatine was cloning Snoke, but was I supposed to think that Palpy was cloning *himself*?
Why the fuck would he then need Rey?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha, this movie makes no damned sense at all!
Yes? It is never outright stated, but palps is the only force sensitive person that could be cloned from. There could be some unnamed person, but that makes another can of worms to be opened. I just assumed that Snoke was just...genetically engineered from nothing, I guess. I didn't think about it too hard, though, as there were about 1000 other dumbass things to think about. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jan 1, 2020 18:34:16 GMT -5
Yes? It is never outright stated, but palps is the only force sensitive person that could be cloned from. There could be some unnamed person, but that makes another can of worms to be opened. I just assumed that Snoke was just...genetically engineered from nothing, I guess. I didn't think about it too hard, though, as there were about 1000 other dumbass things to think about. Rian Johnson had the right idea there. Don't even try to explain Snoke. Just have Kylo kill him and move on. Stupid JJ Abrams.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 19:04:21 GMT -5
Yes? It is never outright stated, but palps is the only force sensitive person that could be cloned from. There could be some unnamed person, but that makes another can of worms to be opened. I just assumed that Snoke was just...genetically engineered from nothing, I guess. I didn't think about it too hard, though, as there were about 1000 other dumbass things to think about.ย He can't be engineered from nothing or else he wouldn't have force powers(the anakin was conceived by palps fucking with the force was shot down recently, thanks TRoS). So he had to have come from Palps, with the explanation being that snoke was deformed due to it being palps post death star explosion, but that still doesn't make sense as to why snoke was 10 feet tall. THIS IS ALL SO STUPID, and the movie is very poorly written. |
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