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Post by ayatollahcm on Jan 1, 2020 19:14:56 GMT -5
I just assumed that Snoke was just...genetically engineered from nothing, I guess. I didn't think about it too hard, though, as there were about 1000 other dumbass things to think about. Rian Johnson had the right idea there. Don't even try to explain Snoke. Just have Kylo kill him and move on. Stupid JJ Abrams.
But if I don't get a minutely-detailed, encyclopedic explanation how will I face the dreaded mystery of my everyday life? I have no imagination. |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jan 5, 2020 9:54:27 GMT -5
When is someone finally going to have the courage to just come out and say that Babu Frik is Crazy Frog?
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Post by sarapen on Jan 6, 2020 5:58:10 GMT -5
Finally saw it. It was okay. TFA and the MCU prepared me for safe and uncreative action endings. I really wish Kylo Ren had stayed the bad guy and this generation's villain was a whiny man-baby, because then we'd have the whole "history repeating as farce" thing. Also there'd be a Marx reference in Star Wars.
Things we missed out on from the creation of this trilogy: Luuke with an extra U, Leia and Han naming their kid Jaden, lizardmen invading from another galaxy.
Things we got: Rogue One, the partial retconning of midichlorians in TLJ.
Anyway, these sequels are done. They were fine. That's it, that's all they were, and that's the only thing Disney and Hollywood could imagine them being. KOTOR showed us the way so long ago - the best Star Wars will be the ones removed from the main story.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jan 6, 2020 11:30:26 GMT -5
Finally saw it. It was okay. TFA and the MCU prepared me for safe and uncreative action endings. I really wish Kylo Ren had stayed the bad guy and this generation's villain was a whiny man-baby, because then we'd have the whole "history repeating as farce" thing. Also there'd be a Marx reference in Star Wars. Things we missed out on from the creation of this trilogy: Luuke with an extra U, Leia and Han naming their kid Jaden, lizardmen invading from another galaxy. Things we got: Rogue One, the partial retconning of midichlorians in TLJ. Anyway, these sequels are done. They were fine. That's it, that's all they were, and that's the only thing Disney and Hollywood could imagine them being. KOTOR showed us the way so long ago - the best Star Wars will be the ones removed from the main story. What would your reaction have been if, instead of alluding to Karl Marx, they'd referenced Charles Fourier by having the oceans on all water-bearing planets all throughout the galaxy turn to lemonade at the moment the Emperor died? |
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Post by sarapen on Jan 6, 2020 18:25:34 GMT -5
Finally saw it. It was okay. TFA and the MCU prepared me for safe and uncreative action endings. I really wish Kylo Ren had stayed the bad guy and this generation's villain was a whiny man-baby, because then we'd have the whole "history repeating as farce" thing. Also there'd be a Marx reference in Star Wars. Things we missed out on from the creation of this trilogy: Luuke with an extra U, Leia and Han naming their kid Jaden, lizardmen invading from another galaxy. Things we got: Rogue One, the partial retconning of midichlorians in TLJ. Anyway, these sequels are done. They were fine. That's it, that's all they were, and that's the only thing Disney and Hollywood could imagine them being. KOTOR showed us the way so long ago - the best Star Wars will be the ones removed from the main story. What would your reaction have been if, instead of alluding to Karl Marx, they'd referenced Charles Fourier by having the oceans on all water-bearing planets all throughout the galaxy turn to lemonade at the moment the Emperor died? I have no idea who that is. |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Jan 8, 2020 5:45:08 GMT -5
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Post by Angry Raisins on Jan 13, 2020 15:40:32 GMT -5
Feels like the main theme of the sequel trilogy has been the lack of continuity. TFA was too busy remaking Star Wars to bother explaining how we got here from ROTJ, TLJ was enthusiastic about telling us that plot elements that seemed to matter in TFA really didn't, not so much about setting up anything in their place. And now of course TRoS immediately ignores/overwrites much of TLJ to tell us to forget all that earlier stuff, here's the brand new thing we need to care about instead.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jan 21, 2020 14:16:18 GMT -5
What would your reaction have been if, instead of alluding to Karl Marx, they'd referenced Charles Fourier by having the oceans on all water-bearing planets all throughout the galaxy turn to lemonade at the moment the Emperor died? I have no idea who that is. He was some old-timey guy from France who advocated utopian socialism before Marx and Engels. He influenced Marx and Engels in some ways but also had the kinds of unrealistic ideas not based on the material realities of the world that were the sort of thing that Marx seems to have been kind of obsessed with bashing. Per Wikipedia: So my whole idea was, what if instead of there being an accidental allusion to the 18th Brumaire or whatever that Marx quote is from, Episode IX had deliberately and emphatically affirmed the most self-evidently bullshit assertion of the type that Marx so vehemently despised in other socialist thinkers? |
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Post by sarapen on Jan 22, 2020 10:44:33 GMT -5
I have no idea who that is. He was some old-timey guy from France who advocated utopian socialism before Marx and Engels. He influenced Marx and Engels in some ways but also had the kinds of unrealistic ideas not based on the material realities of the world that were the sort of thing that Marx seems to have been kind of obsessed with bashing. Per Wikipedia: So my whole idea was, what if instead of there being an accidental allusion to the 18th Brumaire or whatever that Marx quote is from, Episode IX had deliberately and emphatically affirmed the most self-evidently bullshit assertion of the type that Marx so vehemently despised in other socialist thinkers? Yes. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jan 23, 2020 18:16:59 GMT -5
I have no idea who that is. He was some old-timey guy from France who advocated utopian socialism before Marx and Engels. He influenced Marx and Engels in some ways but also had the kinds of unrealistic ideas not based on the material realities of the world that were the sort of thing that Marx seems to have been kind of obsessed with bashing. Per Wikipedia: So my whole idea was, what if instead of there being an accidental allusion to the 18th Brumaire or whatever that Marx quote is from, Episode IX had deliberately and emphatically affirmed the most self-evidently bullshit assertion of the type that Marx so vehemently despised in other socialist thinkers?
I am still a "Yes, it would have been better" because Star Wars is a FANTASY story. Would it have been more ridiculous than whatever the hell Palpatine was in the movie?
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Post by Floyd Diabolical Barber on Jan 25, 2020 15:30:28 GMT -5
He was some old-timey guy from France who advocated utopian socialism before Marx and Engels. He influenced Marx and Engels in some ways but also had the kinds of unrealistic ideas not based on the material realities of the world that were the sort of thing that Marx seems to have been kind of obsessed with bashing. Per Wikipedia: So my whole idea was, what if instead of there being an accidental allusion to the 18th Brumaire or whatever that Marx quote is from, Episode IX had deliberately and emphatically affirmed the most self-evidently bullshit assertion of the type that Marx so vehemently despised in other socialist thinkers?
I am still a "Yes, it would have been better" because Star Wars is a FANTASY story. Would it have been more ridiculous than whatever the hell Palpatine was in the movie?
Palpatine is no Zachary Smith. Or Zoe Smith, for that matter. |
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Post by Floyd Diabolical Barber on Jan 25, 2020 15:35:08 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, imagine how well OS Zachary Smith would have worked in the Star Wars universe. He would have been right at home among the political backstabbing of the Empire or First Order, or whatever they call themselves this episode.
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Post by Celebith on Feb 1, 2020 16:50:32 GMT -5
This isn't as funny as their remixes of the first six movies, but still hits on so many of my complaints about RoS.
"Now I'm just Ben Solo. Ghost Solo... or should I be Skywalker??"
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Post by Powerthirteen on Feb 19, 2020 14:44:10 GMT -5
The only true spoiler is that I finally saw it and, SPOILER, it sucks. Feels like five movies edited down into one visual Cliff's Notes experience, and none of them were probably very good to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 14:47:49 GMT -5
I was going to the movies at least once a month for the past two years. However, the last movie I saw in theaters was Rise of Skywalker on the day it came out. Coincidence? I think not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 14:49:46 GMT -5
The only true spoiler is that I finally saw it and, SPOILER, it sucks. Feels like five movies edited down into one visual Cliff's Notes experience, and none of them were probably very good to begin with. Oh no, Ren got the thing that led him to the place with the guy! Rey needs to find another of the thing to lead to the place, but she didn't! But she did find this knife that leads Goonies-style to a place with a thing to lead to the place with the guy, but then Ren destroyed the thing! Oh no! Oh, but then Rey beat up Ren and ran to his ship which still had the first thing in it to lead her to the place with the guy! *facepalm* |
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Post by Powerthirteen on Feb 19, 2020 14:51:14 GMT -5
The only true spoiler is that I finally saw it and, SPOILER, it sucks. Feels like five movies edited down into one visual Cliff's Notes experience, and none of them were probably very good to begin with. Oh no, Ren got the thing that led him to the place with the guy! Rey needs to find another of the thing to lead to the place, but she didn't! But she did find this knife that leads Goonies-style to a place with a thing to lead to the place with the guy, but then Ren destroyed the thing! Oh no! Oh, but then Rey beat up Ren and ran to his ship which still had the first thing in it to lead her to the place with the guy! *facepalm* 2.5 hours of "And then this happens! And then this happens!" It's like reading a story written by a 6-year-old. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 16:03:21 GMT -5
Oh no, Ren got the thing that led him to the place with the guy! Rey needs to find another of the thing to lead to the place, but she didn't! But she did find this knife that leads Goonies-style to a place with a thing to lead to the place with the guy, but then Ren destroyed the thing! Oh no! Oh, but then Rey beat up Ren and ran to his ship which still had the first thing in it to lead her to the place with the guy! *facepalm* 2.5 hours of "And then this happens! And then this happens!" It's like reading a story written by a 6-year-old. This is what happens when you only agree to do one movie, and then someone else takes over and turns it into something better. But then you don't agree, even though you totally didn't want to do a sequel, so you come back to erase what the other did so your shitty idea can reign supreme. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Feb 20, 2020 23:39:32 GMT -5
2.5 hours of "And then this happens! And then this happens!" It's like reading a story written by a 6-year-old. This is what happens when you only agree to do one movie, and then someone else takes over and turns it into something better. But then you don't agree, even though you totally didn't want to do a sequel, so you come back to erase what the other did so your shitty idea can reign supreme. LOL at the thought that this movie's "idea" even manages to rate as "shitty". Is there an idea in this movie? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 0:09:41 GMT -5
This is what happens when you only agree to do one movie, and then someone else takes over and turns it into something better. But then you don't agree, even though you totally didn't want to do a sequel, so you come back to erase what the other did so your shitty idea can reign supreme. LOL at the thought that this movie's "idea" even manages to rate as "shitty". Is there an idea in this movie? The idea of hating the last jedi |
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Post by Lurky McLurk on Feb 24, 2020 5:13:56 GMT -5
This movie is the cinematic equivalent of a drunk coming over to talk to you at a bus stop.
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Post by Prole Hole on Feb 25, 2020 10:52:56 GMT -5
This movie is the cinematic equivalent of a drunk coming over to talk to you at a bus stop. Look, I apologised for that, can we not move on? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 13:16:02 GMT -5
screenrant.com/star-wars-palpatine-clone-rise-skywalker-confirm-novel/It somehow gets worse. It is also only the body that is a clone, as the clone still contains Palpatine's "spirt". So it still is Palpatine not just a clone, but is a clone so it isn't ruining Return of the Jedi, but still is. This is also a huge failure on the film for leaving this out, if it actually was originally supposed to be in there, I do have doubts on that. As the novel did get pushed back. No amount of explaining will make TROS better, as the actual filmed and put out product is nothing but trash.
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Post by liebkartoffel on Mar 1, 2020 17:45:33 GMT -5
screenrant.com/star-wars-palpatine-clone-rise-skywalker-confirm-novel/It somehow gets worse. It is also only the body that is a clone, as the clone still contains Palpatine's "spirt". So it still is Palpatine not just a clone, but is a clone so it isn't ruining Return of the Jedi, but still is. This is also a huge failure on the film for leaving this out, if it actually was originally supposed to be in there, I do have doubts on that. As the novel did get pushed back. No amount of explaining will make TROS better, as the actual filmed and put out product is nothing but trash. If I were going to transfer my consciousness into a new body, I might go for a clone that looks maybe tad younger and less janky-looking, but you do you, Palps. Also, wait...is Rey the granddaughter of the original Palps or the clone Palps or...? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 17:53:33 GMT -5
screenrant.com/star-wars-palpatine-clone-rise-skywalker-confirm-novel/It somehow gets worse. It is also only the body that is a clone, as the clone still contains Palpatine's "spirt". So it still is Palpatine not just a clone, but is a clone so it isn't ruining Return of the Jedi, but still is. This is also a huge failure on the film for leaving this out, if it actually was originally supposed to be in there, I do have doubts on that. As the novel did get pushed back. No amount of explaining will make TROS better, as the actual filmed and put out product is nothing but trash. If I were going to transfer my consciousness into a new body, I might go for a clone that looks maybe tad younger and less janky-looking, but you do you, Palps. Also, wait...is Rey the granddaughter of the original Palps or the clone Palps or...? The body was breaking down because it was the result of being a clone, even more info that wasn't in the movie or info that is added to another source to try to get fans to think the movie is not as bad as it seems, you decide. |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Mar 1, 2020 19:04:02 GMT -5
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 1, 2020 21:04:32 GMT -5
screenrant.com/star-wars-palpatine-clone-rise-skywalker-confirm-novel/It somehow gets worse. It is also only the body that is a clone, as the clone still contains Palpatine's "spirt". So it still is Palpatine not just a clone, but is a clone so it isn't ruining Return of the Jedi, but still is. This is also a huge failure on the film for leaving this out, if it actually was originally supposed to be in there, I do have doubts on that. As the novel did get pushed back. No amount of explaining will make TROS better, as the actual filmed and put out product is nothing but trash.
Wait.... so his plan was to transfer his "spirit" into Rey? Is this what I'm getting from this article?
I know I said I would stop trying to make this film make sense, I'm sorry, but..... If Kylo Ren could figure all of this out, could see that his clone body was breaking down, why wouldn't he just let Palpatine wither away and die? Like, just walk away and leave him there? Or destroy his remaining tank? Why wouldn't he tell Rey not to go there? Not sure she'd believe him, but he could have at least said something.
Could the fleet operate without Palpy? And if he died, wouldn't Kylo take it over? Failing to understand why Kylo didn't just kill him.
Did he not actually go there to kill Palpatine? Like, isn't that in the movie itself? That Kylo Ren is pissed off at Palpatine's interference and wants to kill him so that he, Kylo Ren, can still be in charge? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 21:12:58 GMT -5
screenrant.com/star-wars-palpatine-clone-rise-skywalker-confirm-novel/It somehow gets worse. It is also only the body that is a clone, as the clone still contains Palpatine's "spirt". So it still is Palpatine not just a clone, but is a clone so it isn't ruining Return of the Jedi, but still is. This is also a huge failure on the film for leaving this out, if it actually was originally supposed to be in there, I do have doubts on that. As the novel did get pushed back. No amount of explaining will make TROS better, as the actual filmed and put out product is nothing but trash.
Wait.... so his plan was to transfer his "spirit" into Rey? Is this what I'm getting from this article?
I know I said I would stop trying to make this film make sense, I'm sorry, but..... If Kylo Ren could figure all of this out, could see that his clone body was breaking down, why wouldn't he just let Palpatine wither away and die? Like, just walk away and leave him there? Or destroy his remaining tank? Why wouldn't he tell Rey not to go there? Not sure she'd believe him, but he could have at least said something.
Could the fleet operate without Palpy? And if he died, wouldn't Kylo take it over? Failing to understand why Kylo didn't just kill him.
Did he not actually go there to kill Palpatine? Like, isn't that in the movie itself? That Kylo Ren is pissed off at Palpatine's interference and wants to kill him so that he, Kylo Ren, can still be in charge? I don't know. I really don't, and this movie is so bad that I don't want to attempt to answer any of those questions. It all falls at the feet of JJ Abrams. It is crazy that Colin Trevorrow had a better script idea. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 1, 2020 21:26:58 GMT -5
Wait.... so his plan was to transfer his "spirit" into Rey? Is this what I'm getting from this article?
I know I said I would stop trying to make this film make sense, I'm sorry, but..... If Kylo Ren could figure all of this out, could see that his clone body was breaking down, why wouldn't he just let Palpatine wither away and die? Like, just walk away and leave him there? Or destroy his remaining tank? Why wouldn't he tell Rey not to go there? Not sure she'd believe him, but he could have at least said something.
Could the fleet operate without Palpy? And if he died, wouldn't Kylo take it over? Failing to understand why Kylo didn't just kill him.
Did he not actually go there to kill Palpatine? Like, isn't that in the movie itself? That Kylo Ren is pissed off at Palpatine's interference and wants to kill him so that he, Kylo Ren, can still be in charge? I don't know. I really don't, and this movie is so bad that I don't want to attempt to answer any of those questions. It all falls at the feet of JJ Abrams. It is crazy that Colin Trevorrow had a better script idea.
I read Trevorrow's and his still sounded kind of lame. But still..... It is insane that with the marketing of this film, the audience's two biggest questions were: How is Palpatine back and How is Kylo Ren going to be redeemed?
And the movie doesn't really answer either of those questions. Wild!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 21:42:48 GMT -5
I don't know. I really don't, and this movie is so bad that I don't want to attempt to answer any of those questions. It all falls at the feet of JJ Abrams. It is crazy that Colin Trevorrow had a better script idea.
I read Trevorrow's and his still sounded kind of lame. But still..... It is insane that with the marketing of this film, the audience's two biggest questions were: How is Palpatine back and How is Kylo Ren going to be redeemed?
And the movie doesn't really answer either of those questions. Wild!
They answered Kylo Ren, it was just a bad answer. I just wish Disney would rest with trying to make this movie artificially better than it is. Since before the movie came out, there were already entertainment pieces about how to frame what happens in TROS. In the immediate release they had JJ Abrams try to explain his shitty decisions. Shit just kept leaking about how it isn't really this, or there is this stuff. Now this novel bullshit. The author even came out about how if Disney included everything in the film, the film would have been 3 hours long. 1. Endgame was 3 hours and was fine. 2. If your movie is so full of bloat that you have to cut plot important shit, it is a bad movie. But no, Disney had to get this shit out on a deadline. The release date was announced before the movie even began production. After TLJ(which was a fine film) and Disney caving to whiney fanboys(Abrams included) they had to do a mad scramble with their script. Not to mention Colin Trevorrow had his reputation stained with a bad movie, so they decided to bring Abrams back to fix the ship in a short period of time. With the OT and the prequels, the movies were done when they were done. |
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