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Post by liebkartoffel on Jul 6, 2023 9:55:42 GMT -5
Finally saw last week's SNW and this is the first episode of the season I'd put among the series' best. Great to see La'an get first billing in a story that doesn't involve getting traumatized by the Gorn--okay, it's still pretty traumatic, but no Gorn at least!--and I loved the meta-joke of Alt!Kirk confusing Toronto for New York only for it to turn out to really be Toronto after all. Agreed that Paul Wesley does a much better job in this episode than his introduction. It helps that he actually gets to do demonstrate some Kirk-like charm and ingenuity, and he even has some genuine chemistry with Christina Chong. Contrast with the egregious telling-not-showing of "A Quality of Mercy," where everyone talks about how outrageous Kirk is and then Wesley shows up and just kind of looks constipated and uncomfortable. His performance still just doesn't read as Kirk to me, but it's still a marked improvement, and now I'm at least okay with spending some time with the guy. I'm not sure if the actual plot of the episode stands up to scrutiny--wait, so was Sera among those responsible for blowing up the bridge or was she part of a second faction of time-traveling Romulans?--but overall the episode is fun with some good performances.
Now, when is Pike going to get a storyline on his own damn show?
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Post by Prole Hole on Jul 7, 2023 10:13:49 GMT -5
Finally saw last week's SNW and this is the first episode of the season I'd put among the series' best. Great to see La'an get first billing in a story that doesn't involve getting traumatized by the Gorn--okay, it's still pretty traumatic, but no Gorn at least!--and I loved the meta-joke of Alt!Kirk confusing Toronto for New York only for it to turn out to really be Toronto after all. Agreed that Paul Wesley does a much better job in this episode than his introduction. It helps that he actually gets to do demonstrate some Kirk-like charm and ingenuity, and he even has some genuine chemistry with Christina Chong. Contrast with the egregious telling-not-showing of "A Quality of Mercy," where everyone talks about how outrageous Kirk is and then Wesley shows up and just kind of looks constipated and uncomfortable. His performance still just doesn't read as Kirk to me, but it's still a marked improvement, and now I'm at least okay with spending some time with the guy. I'm not sure if the actual plot of the episode stands up to scrutiny--wait, so was Sera among those responsible for blowing up the bridge or was she part of a second faction of time-traveling Romulans?--but overall the episode is fun with some good performances. Now, when is Pike going to get a storyline on his own damn show? Yeah it's starting to look like Anson Mount doesn't want to be in the show he's nominally the star of (haven't seen this week's episode - I know he's more centre in it) But I'm afraid we are not as one when it comes to this episode. I am so heartily sick of Khan and anything to do with him that I cannot muster up one single solitary fuck to give about this storyline, even ignoring that it's a retread of arguably the best episode of TOS. There's good performances and a few cute moments ("it's basically idiots chess" being my favourite) but while Wesley is good at playing Some Starship Captain he's just not Kirk. It's not that he's not Shatner (or Pine) he just has no swagger, no confidence, no... well, no everything that makes Kirk a character. Sure, recast if you must but get someone that can actually be the character. I feel sorry for Wesley, if he was Captain AnotherGuy I'd really have no problem with him but Kirk? Pass. Eesh. Three in, three misses. I loved the first season of SNW because it was so relaxed about being Star Trek and just got on with it already. All three episodes so far are the very opposite of just getting on with it. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jul 7, 2023 10:20:34 GMT -5
Finally saw last week's SNW and this is the first episode of the season I'd put among the series' best. Great to see La'an get first billing in a story that doesn't involve getting traumatized by the Gorn--okay, it's still pretty traumatic, but no Gorn at least!--and I loved the meta-joke of Alt!Kirk confusing Toronto for New York only for it to turn out to really be Toronto after all. Agreed that Paul Wesley does a much better job in this episode than his introduction. It helps that he actually gets to do demonstrate some Kirk-like charm and ingenuity, and he even has some genuine chemistry with Christina Chong. Contrast with the egregious telling-not-showing of "A Quality of Mercy," where everyone talks about how outrageous Kirk is and then Wesley shows up and just kind of looks constipated and uncomfortable. His performance still just doesn't read as Kirk to me, but it's still a marked improvement, and now I'm at least okay with spending some time with the guy. I'm not sure if the actual plot of the episode stands up to scrutiny--wait, so was Sera among those responsible for blowing up the bridge or was she part of a second faction of time-traveling Romulans?--but overall the episode is fun with some good performances. Now, when is Pike going to get a storyline on his own damn show? Yeah it's starting to look like Anson Mount doesn't want to be in the show he's nominally the star of (haven't seen this week's episode - I know he's more centre in it) They were filming around that. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jul 11, 2023 23:52:44 GMT -5
I saw that Manny Coto died a couple days ago.
I'd like to take this opportunity to say, once again, how much I respected him for that ST: ENT season 4 batshit crazy premier. I adored how he took that profoundly stupid idea of Rick Berman's, tied in the even stupider Temporal Cold War idea that never worked on the show, and made one of the most gloriously stupid episodes of Trek ever, proving once and for all that those were STUPID IDEAS, DAMN IT! It was easily one of the most wonderful "fuck you" episodes I'd ever seen. It is total garbage. But, damn, I deeply respect the move.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jul 13, 2023 20:00:09 GMT -5
More hijinks. I've consistently enjoyed the hijinks.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jul 13, 2023 20:27:12 GMT -5
Also, I want Pike and T'Pring's dad to become best buds, sharing recipes and hanging out when they're nearby, but I want it to be a constant background joke that no one ever comments on and is clearly going on without T'Pring's mom's approval.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Jul 14, 2023 17:43:06 GMT -5
Look I love the show but how the fuck does Strange New Worlds justify casting Mia Kirschner as Spock's mom?! She's barely older than him.
Also fuck you Jenny.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jul 14, 2023 17:57:30 GMT -5
Look I love the show but how the fuck does Strange New Worlds justify casting Mia Kirschner as Spock's mom?! She's barely older than him. Also fuck you Jenny. Discovery originally cast her back in season 2. I think they cast young because a lot of her scenes were flashbacks. And she's 11 years older than Ethan Peck - at least they're doing better than the Abrams movies, which only had a six year difference. |
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Jul 14, 2023 18:04:16 GMT -5
Look I love the show but how the fuck does Strange New Worlds justify casting Mia Kirschner as Spock's mom?! She's barely older than him. Also fuck you Jenny. Discovery originally cast her back in season 2. I think they cast young because a lot of her scenes were flashbacks. And she's 11 years older than Ethan Peck - at least they're doing better than the Abrams movies, which only had a six year difference. Well that's an entirely reasonable explanation! |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jul 15, 2023 20:02:48 GMT -5
From one of the AVC’s DS9 commenters:
Though I mainly haven’t started SNW becuase I like movies too much and don’t really have time for TV (or someone else in the house who wants to watch it) anymore, the whole tie-in aspect’s a big part of it. It made me very wary but it seems like it’s ultimately not too big a deal?
The IP circle-jerking is probably part of what got the show greenlit in the first place, though. People complained about the whole “Spock’s secret adoptive sister” thing as was a terrible, suspension-of-disbelief-breaking contrivance, but I remember being told that “it’s about Spock’s secret human sister” was basically the pitch. It only gets made if you’ve already heard of it in some way.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jul 15, 2023 20:44:31 GMT -5
From one of the AVC’s DS9 commenters:
Though I mainly haven’t started SNW becuase I like movies too much and don’t really have time for TV (or someone else in the house who wants to watch it) anymore, the whole tie-in aspect’s a big part of it. It made me very wary but it seems like it’s ultimately not too big a deal?
The IP circle-jerking is probably part of what got the show greenlit in the first place, though. People complained about the whole “Spock’s secret adoptive sister” thing as was a terrible, suspension-of-disbelief-breaking contrivance, but I remember being told that “it’s about Spock’s secret human sister” was basically the pitch. It only gets made if you’ve already heard of it in some way.
I think it's probably true that those connections allowed the show to be made. Paramount has been weirdly skittish about Star Trek ever since bringing it back, like they're terrified of a mis-step. Animation is the only area they've taken any real risks. That's why everything we've seen so far in live-action has had some character tie to something old. It seems like the logical thing to do is to do a TNG to TNG - something set 100 years later - but that would require moving forward in a way they deem reluctant to. Even the big time jump on Discovery was done in such a tentative way it may be constricting future post-Picard shows. I think the connections themselves vary - M'Benga is technically a pre-existing character, but one that hadn't been fleshed out at all and is barely any different than if he had been entirely new. La'an's connection hasn't really done much for the character; Number One has a similar gimmick that's been treated better, and La'an has become interesting despite the weird connection, not because of it. Chapel feels like she's getting some long-overdue depth; she never had that much to do on TOS and basically nothing in the movies, and her interactions with Spock are making her seem like less of a 60s gender attitude relic than she did on TOS. Uhura may be the most questionable connection they included, but I like the actress, and Uhura's probably had more to do in the season-and-a-half of SNW than Nichelle Nichols ever had across 30+ years. |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Jul 15, 2023 22:19:32 GMT -5
S02E04: Quite possibly the most Original Series-y episode of Strange New Worlds to date, right down to the title. Random red shirt gets stranded on a backwater planet and makes himself king? And also everyone is forgetting everything, for weird space reasons? That's that good TOS shit. You could slot "Among the Lotus Eaters" in between "The Galileo Seven" and "The Squire of Gothos" and nobody would bat an eye. And Pike finally got something to do! I did feel the the subplot with Ortegas was handled a little clumsily, however. "Guess we haven't checked in with Ortegas in a while...maybe she, I don't know, has a minor identity crisis about being a pilot?" "Sure, I could probably fit that into the memory planet episode. Somewhere. I'll make it work."
S02E05: Long live hijinks. Do I care as much about the Spock/Chapel romance as much as the show wants me to care about it? No. Do I care as much about Spock as the show wants me to care? Also no. I mean, I like the character, but as I've said before it kind of feels like Spock stories are the writers' collective comfort zone, so he ends up with the lion's share of character development. On the other hand...Ethan Peck playing a human version of Spock pretending to be the Vulcan version of Spock was a delight to watch, so I can't complain this time around.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jul 17, 2023 8:14:46 GMT -5
Look I love the show but how the fuck does Strange New Worlds justify casting Mia Kirschner as Spock's mom?! She's barely older than him. Also fuck you Jenny. Discovery originally cast her back in season 2. I think they cast young because a lot of her scenes were flashbacks. And she's 11 years older than Ethan Peck - at least they're doing better than the Abrams movies, which only had a six year difference. That’s only one year closer in age between actors playing parent and child than the age gap between Sean Connery and Harrison Ford in the popular film Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. I’d never really considered how close Connery and Ford were in age considering they once played father and son in a famous movie until the other day, funnily enough. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jul 17, 2023 12:55:58 GMT -5
Roy Batty's Pet Dove People are surprised by the Connery-Ford age gap but it’s a testament to Connery’s performance. The man’s always been great at the physical/movement aspect of acting and he really does convey a real old mannishness. That completely disappears in still photos, though. Even if he’s still older than Ford he seems to be 100% in vigorous leading man mode. If you had no outside context and were told one’s the leading man and the other’s the secondary protagonist and does a fair amount of comic relief you’d probably get the roles reversed.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jul 23, 2023 12:15:29 GMT -5
Lower Decks crossover dropped early and was everything I hoped it would be.
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Post by sarapen on Jul 23, 2023 12:59:52 GMT -5
I fast-forwarded through the opening then rewinded when I realized it was animated in cartoon style. It had some fun metafictional comments from time travellers about the fill-in-the-gaps sensibility of a prequel series. Also, I admire the strange alchemy that the show enacted to make the boisterous energy of Lower Decks meld successfully with the more-serious tone of Strange New Worlds. Somehow it didn't feel jarring.
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Post by liebkartoffel on Jul 29, 2023 16:19:20 GMT -5
S02E06: Strange New Worlds does TNG! Plotwise, this one liberally cribs from a handful of TNG episodes, namely "Home Soil," "Night Terrors" and "Phantasms," but...those are some pretty decent-to-great episodes to steal! SNW!Kirk continues to be more of a dorky boy scout than a brash Leader of Men and Lover of Women, and, like I said earlier, I think that's okay! He's won me over! The issue remains, however, that everyone keeps talking about how oUtRaGeOuS he is when all he does is shit like offering to fetch people some fresh cookies from the commissary. Just let this Kirk be dorky! It's not as if, say, SNW!Chapel resembles TOS!Chapel in any meaningful way; it's okay to reinterpret characters for new eras and audiences. Anyway, good spotlight episode for Uhura and good episode in general. I would be curious to see how Pike managed to justify blowing up an entire deuterium refinery--based off a subordinate's unverified hunch!--to his superiors.
S02E07: I was surprised at how much of a Lower Decks episode this was, to the extent that I'm not sure how much people got out of it if they weren't fans of both series. This is very much "Boimler and Becket meet the Enterprise crew" rather than the "Enterprise crew meets some wacky time travelers." I also think Lower Deck's signature gag of the Cerritos crew being stand-ins for obsessive Trekkies is stretched to edge of credulity--would Uhura really be that in-universe famous 150 years down the road? and why is she known for specifically being so "fun-loving"?--but it's still an enjoyable episode. Loved the cameo appearance of the nacelle-sucking giant alien in the opening sequence.
S02E08: Strange New Worlds does DS9! This episode liberally cribs from...oh, any number of DS9 episodes, but I'm thinking "Duet" in particular. I even initially thought that they were going for a similar sort of twist as "Duet," what with Dak'Rah burning his hand on the raktajino and that implying that maybe he wasn't who he claimed to be. I mean, "Duet" is way better--a top 10 DS9 episode contender--but I see what they were going for. I stand by my complaint that giving M'Benga and Chapel tragic badass backstories was silly and unnecessary, but this was at least a good opportunity for Babs Olusanmokun to show off his acting chops.
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Post by Prole Hole on Jul 31, 2023 7:00:14 GMT -5
S02E06: Strange New Worlds does TNG! Plotwise, this one liberally cribs from a handful of TNG episodes, namely "Home Soil," "Night Terrors" and "Phantasms," but...those are some pretty decent-to-great episodes to steal! SNW!Kirk continues to be more of a dorky boy scout than a brash Leader of Men and Lover of Women, and, like I said earlier, I think that's okay! He's won me over! The issue remains, however, that everyone keeps talking about how oUtRaGeOuS he is when all he does is shit like offering to fetch people some fresh cookies from the commissary. Just let this Kirk be dorky! It's not as if, say, SNW!Chapel resembles TOS!Chapel in any meaningful way; it's okay to reinterpret characters for new eras and audiences. Anyway, good spotlight episode for Uhura and good episode in general. I would be curious to see how Pike managed to justify blowing up an entire deuterium refinery--based off a subordinate's unverified hunch!--to his superiors. S02E07: I was surprised at how much of a Lower Decks episode this was, to the extent that I'm not sure how much people got out of it if they weren't fans of both series. This is very much "Boimler and Becket meet the Enterprise crew" rather than the "Enterprise crew meets some wacky time travelers." I also think Lower Deck's signature gag of the Cerritos crew being stand-ins for obsessive Trekkies is stretched to edge of credulity--would Uhura really be that in-universe famous 150 years down the road? and why is she known for specifically being so "fun-loving"?--but it's still an enjoyable episode. Loved the cameo appearance of the nacelle-sucking giant alien in the opening sequence. S02E08: Strange New Worlds does DS9! This episode liberally cribs from...oh, any number of DS9 episodes, but I'm thinking "Duet" in particular. I even initially thought that they were going for a similar sort of twist as "Duet," what with Dak'Rah burning his hand on the raktajino and that implying that maybe he wasn't who he claimed to be. I mean, "Duet" is way better--a top 10 DS9 episode contender--but I see what they were going for. I stand by my complaint that giving M'Benga and Chapel tragic badass backstories was silly and unnecessary, but this was at least a good opportunity for Babs Olusanmokun to show off his acting chops. - There's a problem here. I know how much people love to get caught up in the whacky shenanigans of Spock but it's really not doing it for me. Ethan Peck is a good comic actor so it's clear why he's being given so much comic material but the problem is that Spock is simply the wrong character for that amount of comedy. Spock is successfully funny in small doses - less really is more. Nimoy could bring the house down with a line or a look but it's because his Spock used humour sparingly. Doing these kind of episodes really undermines that and you could hear the seams straining at certain points. Also, the resolution on Chapel's side was a bit too quick but that's a forgivable sin. The bitchy Vulcan matriarch and the hen-pecked husband were the best thing here. S2:E07: Easily the best episode of the season so far, surprisingly. I, too, was surprised by how much this was Lower Decks > SNW not SNW > Lower Decks but it really landed for me. It was funny in the right places, the characters stayed true to themselves, it was sweet and charming and lovely and just downright excellent. Fun-loving Uhura makes sense to me - her teasing of Spock in Charlie X and singing with him immediately comes to mind, her fan dance in Star Trek V, even the way Nichol's delivers, "thing's gotta have a tailpipe" in The Undiscovered Country... to say nothing of how she deals with "Mr Adventure" in ST:III. It's sometimes a wry sense of humour the character has but there's enough in the original for that to be something Uhura plausibly becomes known for. Also enjoyed the highly-unexpected final animation sequence. Top-notch all round. S2:E08: I wanted to like this but in the end I just founds it boring. I don't give a fuck about Klingons, Klingon politics, Klingon wars, or Klingon anything else so none of that stuff landed for me, and the Chapel/M'Benga "tragic backstory" just seems pointlessly unnecessary. DS9 could pull this kind of episode off by having a season-long run up to it (or more) but we've had exactly one episode, then this, and it's just not enough. It's one way the old +/- 26 episode runs have a win over the 10 episode ones - more space to expand. Babs Olusanmokun is phenomenal but in the end I just didn't care. The horrors of war - it's bad, in case you didn't know, and done better elsewhere in the franchise already - simply shouldn't be this dull and so much of the planet-side stuff on J'Gal was like incredibly heavy-handed Alan Alda-era M*A*S*H, right down to the sweet young cadet who get patched up but doesn't make it (for some really blatant emotional manipulation). Star Trek can absolutely tackle subjects of this nature and should try to do so, but this episode isn't nearly good enough to pull it off. |
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Post by sarapen on Jul 31, 2023 9:55:31 GMT -5
S2:E08: I wanted to like this but in the end I just founds it boring. I don't give a fuck about Klingons, Klingon politics, Klingon wars, or Klingon anything else so none of that stuff landed for me, and the Chapel/M'Benga "tragic backstory" just seems pointlessly unnecessary. DS9 could pull this kind of episode off by having a season-long run up to it (or more) but we've had exactly one episode, then this, and it's just not enough. It's one way the old +/- 26 episode runs have a win over the 10 episode ones - more space to expand. Babs Olusanmokun is phenomenal but in the end I just didn't care. The horrors of war - it's bad, in case you didn't know, and done better elsewhere in the franchise already - simply shouldn't be this dull and so much of the planet-side stuff on J'Gal was like incredibly heavy-handed Alan Alda-era M*A*S*H, right down to the sweet young cadet who get patched up but doesn't make it (for some really blatant emotional manipulation). Star Trek can absolutely tackle subjects of this nature and should try to do so, but this episode isn't nearly good enough to pull it off. Yeah, it didn't land for me either. Plus everyone knows MASH episodes need a Klinger and maybe a Radar. |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Jul 31, 2023 15:11:54 GMT -5
Ha, at the first J'Gal flashback I started humming "Suicide is Painless," and C turned to me and said "I was literally just about to make a M*A*S*H joke." I've been joking about TOS/TNG/DS9 episodes, but this season it really does fell like the show trying to stretch out and explore its identity a bit, which I think is ultimately a good thing...But yeah, there wasn't anything about "Under the Cloak of War" that DS9 hasn't already done a million times better. Now, we'll see how this musical episode turns out...
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Aug 1, 2023 15:50:59 GMT -5
RDM and Nana Visitor pushed hard for a DS9 musical episode but could never get anyone else on board (having the Kira hologram sing “Fever” was sort of a consolation prize for her).
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Post by Prole Hole on Aug 2, 2023 6:28:38 GMT -5
So, unable to sleep last night and idly buggering about, my fella and me started fantasy casting a TNG reboot. The rule is nobody that has appeared in Star Trek is eligible, gender flipping is fine. Thus far this is what we came up with:
Picard: Timothy Dalton
Riker: Jeremy Renner (note: my fella thinks it should be me. I am insulted flattered. Alcohol consumption is consistent though)
Data: Jim Parsons
Worf: Keegan-Michael Key
Geordi: John Boyega
Bev: Karen Gillian
Troi: Any Random Cheeky Girl
Guinan: Jordan Peele
Wesley: Michael Cera
Tasha: A cat
O'Brien: Dara Ó Briain (in curly wig, obvs)
Keiko: Awkwafina
Voice of Computer: Diane Morgan
Q: Jason Schwartzmann
It's a work in progress.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Aug 2, 2023 14:10:49 GMT -5
So, unable to sleep last night and idly buggering about, my fella and me started fantasy casting a TNG reboot. The rule is nobody that has appeared in Star Trek is eligible, gender flipping is fine. Thus far this is what we came up with: Picard: Timothy Dalton Riker: Jeremy Renner (note: my fella thinks it should be me. I am insulted flattered. Alcohol consumption is consistent though) Data: Jim Parsons Worf: Keegan-Michael Key Geordi: John Boyega Bev: Karen Gillian Troi: Any Random Cheeky Girl Guinan: Jordan Peele Wesley: Michael Cera Tasha: A cat O'Brien: Dara Ó Briain (in curly wig, obvs) Keiko: Awkwafina Voice of Computer: Diane Morgan Q: Jason Schwartzmann It's a work in progress. Actually *reducing* female representation is definitely a choice. |
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Post by Prole Hole on Aug 2, 2023 14:22:33 GMT -5
So, unable to sleep last night and idly buggering about, my fella and me started fantasy casting a TNG reboot. The rule is nobody that has appeared in Star Trek is eligible, gender flipping is fine. Thus far this is what we came up with: Picard: Timothy Dalton Riker: Jeremy Renner (note: my fella thinks it should be me. I am insulted flattered. Alcohol consumption is consistent though) Data: Jim Parsons Worf: Keegan-Michael Key Geordi: John Boyega Bev: Karen Gillian Troi: Any Random Cheeky Girl Guinan: Jordan Peele Wesley: Michael Cera Tasha: A cat O'Brien: Dara Ó Briain (in curly wig, obvs) Keiko: Awkwafina Voice of Computer: Diane Morgan Q: Jason Schwartzmann It's a work in progress. Actually *reducing* female representation is definitely a choice. I wanted Courtney Cox as Tasha but was overruled. And Jordan Peele is perfect Guinan casting, dammit! I sort-of wanted Helen Mirren for Picard too but Dalton is a top-tier choice I didn't come up with. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Aug 2, 2023 14:40:42 GMT -5
Dalton the (intentional) ham has so replaced Dalton the fine actor in my mind that I sometimes forget how good he can be in buttoned-down, near-stoic (but with something burning within) mode.
Poor Michael Cera, trapped forever as a teen even as he’s a fully-formed adult and loving father figure to his family (well, young family, but still).
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Post by Ben Grimm on Aug 4, 2023 19:38:10 GMT -5
This is now canon and there's nothing anyone can do about it:
(Really enjoyed the episode, but I suspect it's going to be super-divisive)
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Post by liebkartoffel on Aug 4, 2023 20:21:23 GMT -5
S02E09: In a mildly surprising turn of events my verdict was "so dumb it's great" whereas C was more in the "so dumb it's dumb" camp. It was no "Once More with Feeling," but I was pleasantly surprised with the quality of the music. I do think they tried way too hard to provide a non-ridiculous explanation for the ridiculous premise. In TOS they would have just crashed landed on Braxus the Deceiver's planet and he enchants them with space magic to make them sing--bam, there you go. You don't need this quantum subspace harmonics rigamarole--that's the advantage of setting your show in the TOS era!
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Post by Prole Hole on Aug 5, 2023 4:12:03 GMT -5
This is now canon and there's nothing anyone can do about it: (Really enjoyed the episode, but I suspect it's going to be super-divisive) Given my well-known contempt for musicals, this episode was about as good as I could hope for but the highlight for me was definitely auto-tuned Klingons rather than going for some cod-Klingon-opera thing. Excellent choice, show! It's the K-Pop we need! |
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Aug 5, 2023 9:16:18 GMT -5
The musical episode had mediocre music but was fun, and it makes CHUDs angry so it gets bonus points for that. Solid B.
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Post by Lt. Broccoli on Aug 5, 2023 9:26:28 GMT -5
The Klingons had to sing Earth music because that's what the Enterprise gave the subspace fold. That's why they were so dishonoured. If they were singing opera they wouldn't have cared, they sing opera on their own ships all the time
I love this stupid show
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