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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Mar 28, 2021 0:29:45 GMT -5
Look I figured this was better than one for each show, as long as they’re not running concurrently.
Anyway FUCK THAT FUCKIN GUY
Y’all my John Walker hate knows no bounds: I mean I’d be inclined to dislike him on general principles, as a Steve Rogers girl, but add on top of that
His smarmy assurance that he’s “put in the work” and that means he’s totally entitled to the shield (oh yeah I had a special helmet that let me smother grenades that’s NOT jumping on a grenade, asshole)
The absolute disrespect with which he talks to Sam and Bucky. It’s staggering; he got a new, high profile job, and he’s actlng like these two dudes who have FOUGHT ALIEN ARMIES need to just step back & let him take care of things.
The way he calls them “Sam & Bucky” like they’re friends (also don’t get me started on the MCUs habit of having military people refer to each other by first name anyway)
The way he flaunts his new status in their faces, without the slightest shred of acknowledgment that hey, maybe this is weird as fuck for them.
Aw c’mon work with me and be my sidekicks
I’m so important I can get you right out jail
“Stay out of my way” sweaty do you think your non-enhanced self could take the former Winter Soldier if he decided to beat your ass(which obviously I hope he does)?
also the uniform is TERRIBLE (but interestingly a combo of Steve’s Cap uniform & Bucky’s WW2 jacket)
in conclusion, he needs to die in a fire
Otherwise
I LOVE what they’re doing with Sam as a black man in America did not expect that (hope they’re gonna do something else with Walker’s friend tho cause so far it’s a little icky)
The noise I made when Bucky said “Isaiah” could only be heard by dogs
i continue to love Dr Raynor unreasonably
Cranky snarly Bucky gives me life
Sam’s constant Bucky-tweaking is *chef’s kiss*
Sam being done with this white nonsense is also
and obviously Erin Kellyman kickin ass A+++++
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Post by The Sensational She-Hulk on Mar 29, 2021 11:25:41 GMT -5
I actually shrieked when Bucky said "Isaiah." I never in a million years thought the MCU would bring in that storyline, but shit yeah! I'm so stoked. And was the young man who answered the door Eli? Or was he meant to be another grandson/nephew?
Also, I am annoyed we did not get a flashback to Isaiah kicking the absolute shit out of Bucky in 1951. I am now very desperate to watch this.
John Walker became Captain America because he loves the way it feels to make other people feel safe, which I think is both very telling as to his personal viewpoint and the cultural context of his having grown up post-9/11, where safety has been prioritized over freedom in the U.S. It's an extension of the way he felt on the football field in high school -- suited up, in charge, and in the spotlight. He was popular and handsome (in-universe, I mean) and never felt the pinch of poverty and chronic illness the way Steve Rogers did; Walker joined the army as a career path, not because he knew what it was like to be bullied and to want to stop that from happening to other people. He has sacrificed nothing. Jumping onto a grenade with a reinforced helmet -- and doing it repeatedly -- is a chance to show off heroics. Steve Rogers jumped on that grenade wearing no more armor than his dog tags.
Walker also stopped Bucky's therapy so he could get Bucky out in the field, which is supremely selfish and not what Steve would have done.
In conclusion: John Walker is not Steve Rogers, but he didn't lie when he said he isn't pretending to be.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Mar 29, 2021 12:26:49 GMT -5
I actually shrieked when Bucky said "Isaiah." I never in a million years thought the MCU would bring in that storyline, but shit yeah! I'm so stoked. And was the young man who answered the door Eli? Or was he meant to be another grandson/nephew? He's credited as Eli. They're pretty clearly bringing the Young Avengers in - in addition to Eli, Cassie Lang and Kate Bishop are confirmed for the near future, Wiccan and Speed have been teed up in Wandavision (if not exactly introduced), and Ironheart and Ms. Marvel are getting shows. I suspect we'll get Hulkling in Secret Invasion, too. |
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Post by The Sensational She-Hulk on Mar 29, 2021 13:23:50 GMT -5
I actually shrieked when Bucky said "Isaiah." I never in a million years thought the MCU would bring in that storyline, but shit yeah! I'm so stoked. And was the young man who answered the door Eli? Or was he meant to be another grandson/nephew? He's credited as Eli. They're pretty clearly bringing the Young Avengers in - in addition to Eli, Cassie Lang and Kate Bishop are confirmed for the near future, Wiccan and Speed have been teed up in Wandavision (if not exactly introduced), and Ironheart and Ms. Marvel are getting shows. I suspect we'll get Hulkling in Secret Invasion, too. Oh, thanks! I wasn't sure, and I'm too lazy to go looking. I figured we were getting a Young Avengers team-up at some point with Cassie, Kate, Wiccan, Speed, et al. But now I'm really excited. I love Eli, and I'm so aggravated with the comics for shunting him off to Albuquerque, so to speak. |
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Post by Albert Fish Taco on Mar 29, 2021 13:41:37 GMT -5
When they were on a street in Baltimore I was really hoping there'd be a straight up Wire/MCU crossover.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Mar 29, 2021 13:48:48 GMT -5
When they were on a street in Baltimore I was really hoping there'd be a straight up Wire/MCU crossover. McNulty made up a Skrull Invasion. |
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Post by The Sensational She-Hulk on Mar 29, 2021 14:49:21 GMT -5
When they were on a street in Baltimore I was really hoping there'd be a straight up Wire/MCU crossover. McNulty made up a Skrull Invasion. That's another thing -- I think the showrunners have thought very, very carefully about the locations they've chosen to include in this series. Baltimore was obviously not picked arbitrarily. Deciding to have Isaiah Bradley live there, presumably through the Civil Rights Era and the 1968 riots and up to 2015 (and after everything he was put through) and using the Baltimore Police Department to highlight how Sam Wilson is seen by the public when he isn't in his official Avengers capacity were brilliant moves.
Now that you guys mentioned The Wire/Homicide: LoTS/etc., I'm thinking about John Munch's conspiracy-theory obsession and now I want to see his take on superheroes. "Haha, I told you fuckers the Winter Soldier was real, I told you, but you never listened, and I was RIGHT! That means I'm right about Kennedy, too! And the moon landing!"
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Post by haysoos on Mar 29, 2021 17:46:18 GMT -5
I must admit, the idea of a Falcon & Winter Soldier series didn't really excite me when I first heard about it. I figured it would basically be "24" with some superpowers every other episode or something.
I am really loving the show so far. Anthony Mackey, who hasn't really impressed me as a lead in other projects (like Altered Carbon, or the remarkably dull Over the Wire) is actually really good here. The examination of what it means to be a black hero in America - not just the overt and systemic racism he faces every day, but also having to pick between a hero who is black and being a black hero is something I don't think I've ever really seen anywhere before. It's fantastic.
And Wyatt Russell as the privileged white hero tapped to fill Steve's giant shoes is just perfect casting. Can you imagine someone with a better sense of trying to live up to a legacy than the son of fucking Jack Burton/Snake Plissken/R.J. MacReady/Wyatt Earp/Stuntman Mike/Captain Ron/Judge John Ruth himself?
I'm even almost interested in the fugitive cells of superstrong flag smashing cat-food eaters whose leaders ride in the back of the truck with the cargo. Almost.
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Mar 29, 2021 19:05:23 GMT -5
I'm glad they didn't go with the embarrassment of having Battlestar be "Bucky" first too. I'm not twigging on who Isaiah is (maybe I stopped reading Captain America before that?), but I definitely remember Walker being a flawed super-soldier who snapped and... didn't he kill civilians? I'm definitely seeing bits of instability. Rogers' black "Cap" uniform was similar to what Wilson is wearing, which was an interesting design choice.
I like that Zemo was in cell 2187. He's fine there. Everything's fine. How are you?
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Post by The Sensational She-Hulk on Mar 30, 2021 8:52:36 GMT -5
I'm glad they didn't go with the embarrassment of having Battlestar be "Bucky" first too. I'm not twigging on who Isaiah is (maybe I stopped reading Captain America before that?), but I definitely remember Walker being a flawed super-soldier who snapped and... didn't he kill civilians? I'm definitely seeing bits of instability. Rogers' black "Cap" uniform was similar to what Wilson is wearing, which was an interesting design choice. I like that Zemo was in cell 2187. He's fine there. Everything's fine. How are you? I'm so bummed Dwayne McDuffie is no longer with us. I think he'd have really liked this show, at least as it's going so far.
There was a miniseries around 2004 called Truth: Red, White, and Black, which explored how the U.S. Army experimented on 300 Black soldiers with the super-soldier serum -- a reference to the Tuskegee Experiments -- and it went very poorly, to put it mildly. Isaiah Bradley was the only one who survived without any deformities, and he does precede Steve Rogers, making him the first Captain America in 616 canon. He's a major celebrity in the Black community in-universe, as a matter of fact. Unfortunately, the serum also eventually caused brain damage, so poor Isaiah isn't doing very well by the time Steve meets him in the modern age. I'm quite pleased that his MCU counterpart has not appeared to meet the same fate. |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Mar 31, 2021 9:59:01 GMT -5
Second episode definitely felt like an improvement, as the premiere left me a little worried that we were just getting a discount bin remix of Winter Soldier.
That being said, god I hope they start doing a better job fleshing out the Flag Smashers whole deal. That should be an antagonist that generates Killmonger level "are they actually kind of right?" uncomfortable questions. But so far (and maybe unintentionally, given the weird COVID production and release schedule changes) they come off with someone's incredibly lazy idea of "what if Antifa HAD SUPERPOWERS?!!".
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Post by Ben Grimm on Apr 2, 2021 17:44:05 GMT -5
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Apr 3, 2021 9:17:08 GMT -5
At what point does this show or any other future MCU entry grapple with the fact that the world, galaxy really, is dealing with a massive humanitarian crisis solely because 1%-er Tony Stark wouldn’t sign off on any plans that threatened his happy retirement life?
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Post by Ben Grimm on Apr 3, 2021 9:33:49 GMT -5
At what point does this show or any other future MCU entry grapple with the fact that the world, galaxy really, is dealing with a massive humanitarian crisis solely because 1%-er Tony Stark wouldn’t sign off on any plans that threatened his happy retirement life? The way they described how time travel worked, they couldn't have simply undone it anyway; they only would have created two timelines: one where there was never a snap, and another that unfolded exactly like the one we saw onscreen. |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Apr 3, 2021 12:29:04 GMT -5
At what point does this show or any other future MCU entry grapple with the fact that the world, galaxy really, is dealing with a massive humanitarian crisis solely because 1%-er Tony Stark wouldn’t sign off on any plans that threatened his happy retirement life? The way they described how time travel worked, they couldn't have simply undone it anyway; they only would have created two timelines: one where there was never a snap, and another that unfolded exactly like the one we saw onscreen. Even if you bought into that interpretation of Endgame’s time travel mechanics, it’s awfully convenient for Tony that they find that out AFTER he’s made it clear he has no interest in helping with a plan that messes up the cozy little life he has set up for himself. |
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Apr 3, 2021 13:02:18 GMT -5
Man that reviewer at The Old Country is...bad. Like, unprofessional bad, as well as bad at watching TV. Some very peculiar takes on what’s going on.
Not sure I buy Bucky helping break Zemo out of prison? It does seem like they’re trying to show him as extremely focused on The Shield, like obsessively focused, with maybe some not-very-good decision-making skills/flexible morals, influenced by overwhelming PTSD (and likely just flailing how to deal without a Rogers Support System available) which ok, yeah, I’m all for that. Shuri fixed the keyword issue, but there’s been no indication that she did anything to reverse the actual brain damage inflicted. (I mean fandom assumes Bucky & Steve got the same basic serum, so theoretically, any damage would be healed, but so far, the MCU has been very vague about it.)
Anyway, I’m a fan of “Bucky has any number of issues due to repeated mind-wiping that interfere with his ability to care/understand that A Thing is not A Good or Smart Thing To Do”. Because yes, 70 years of mind-control, cryo, poor nutrition, all kinds of pharmaceuticals being pumped into his system, along with associating only with HYDRA when he was awake would absolutely cause some problems with a person’s ability to accurately assess Good Idea vs Bad Idea, or even believe that it matters, if it gets the job done. I just can’t decide if that’s what they’re actually doing or if that’s what I want them to be doing. Otherwise it’s a very weird move for James Buchanan Barnes to make.
But fuck yeah Bucky tearin shit UP with the murder arm is always fun to watch. *hearteyes*
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Apr 3, 2021 13:19:24 GMT -5
At what point does this show or any other future MCU entry grapple with the fact that the world, galaxy really, is dealing with a massive humanitarian crisis solely because 1%-er Tony Stark wouldn’t sign off on any plans that threatened his happy retirement life? Around the same time any of them admit that Sokovia was almost entirely Tony’s fault? Or that Tony was the person who needed to be most “kept in check” via the Accords because he’s an arrogant rich white guy with impulse control issues who’s never been told no? |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Apr 3, 2021 19:04:58 GMT -5
Man that reviewer at The Old Country is...bad. Like, unprofessional bad, as well as bad at watching TV. Some very peculiar takes on what’s going on. Not sure I buy Bucky helping break Zemo out of prison? It does seem like they’re trying to show him as extremely focused on The Shield, like obsessively focused, with maybe some not-very-good decision-making skills/flexible morals, influenced by overwhelming PTSD (and likely just flailing how to deal without a Rogers Support System available) which ok, yeah, I’m all for that. Shuri fixed the keyword issue, but there’s been no indication that she did anything to reverse the actual brain damage inflicted. (I mean fandom assumes Bucky & Steve got the same basic serum, so theoretically, any damage would be healed, but so far, the MCU has been very vague about it.) Anyway, I’m a fan of “Bucky has any number of issues due to repeated mind-wiping that interfere with his ability to care/understand that A Thing is not A Good or Smart Thing To Do”. Because yes, 70 years of mind-control, cryo, poor nutrition, all kinds of pharmaceuticals being pumped into his system, along with associating only with HYDRA when he was awake would absolutely cause some problems with a person’s ability to accurately assess Good Idea vs Bad Idea, or even believe that it matters, if it gets the job done. I just can’t decide if that’s what they’re actually doing or if that’s what I want them to be doing. Otherwise it’s a very weird move for James Buchanan Barnes to make. But fuck yeah Bucky tearin shit UP with the murder arm is always fun to watch. *hearteyes* Given the ending of the episode, I think the real reason that Bucky wanted to break Zemo out was that he had promised him to Wakanda. Wakanda never got true justice for T'Chaka's death. |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Apr 3, 2021 19:26:42 GMT -5
Man that reviewer at The Old Country is...bad. Like, unprofessional bad, as well as bad at watching TV. Some very peculiar takes on what’s going on. Not sure I buy Bucky helping break Zemo out of prison? It does seem like they’re trying to show him as extremely focused on The Shield, like obsessively focused, with maybe some not-very-good decision-making skills/flexible morals, influenced by overwhelming PTSD (and likely just flailing how to deal without a Rogers Support System available) which ok, yeah, I’m all for that. Shuri fixed the keyword issue, but there’s been no indication that she did anything to reverse the actual brain damage inflicted. (I mean fandom assumes Bucky & Steve got the same basic serum, so theoretically, any damage would be healed, but so far, the MCU has been very vague about it.) Anyway, I’m a fan of “Bucky has any number of issues due to repeated mind-wiping that interfere with his ability to care/understand that A Thing is not A Good or Smart Thing To Do”. Because yes, 70 years of mind-control, cryo, poor nutrition, all kinds of pharmaceuticals being pumped into his system, along with associating only with HYDRA when he was awake would absolutely cause some problems with a person’s ability to accurately assess Good Idea vs Bad Idea, or even believe that it matters, if it gets the job done. I just can’t decide if that’s what they’re actually doing or if that’s what I want them to be doing. Otherwise it’s a very weird move for James Buchanan Barnes to make. But fuck yeah Bucky tearin shit UP with the murder arm is always fun to watch. *hearteyes* Given the ending of the episode, I think the real reason that Bucky wanted to break Zemo out was that he had promised him to Wakanda. Wakanda never got true justice for T'Chaka's death. It’s an interesting twist, but it kind of feels like one subplot too many given there’s only what...three more episodes? |
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Apr 4, 2021 0:48:59 GMT -5
Man that reviewer at The Old Country is...bad. Like, unprofessional bad, as well as bad at watching TV. Some very peculiar takes on what’s going on. Not sure I buy Bucky helping break Zemo out of prison? It does seem like they’re trying to show him as extremely focused on The Shield, like obsessively focused, with maybe some not-very-good decision-making skills/flexible morals, influenced by overwhelming PTSD (and likely just flailing how to deal without a Rogers Support System available) which ok, yeah, I’m all for that. Shuri fixed the keyword issue, but there’s been no indication that she did anything to reverse the actual brain damage inflicted. (I mean fandom assumes Bucky & Steve got the same basic serum, so theoretically, any damage would be healed, but so far, the MCU has been very vague about it.) Anyway, I’m a fan of “Bucky has any number of issues due to repeated mind-wiping that interfere with his ability to care/understand that A Thing is not A Good or Smart Thing To Do”. Because yes, 70 years of mind-control, cryo, poor nutrition, all kinds of pharmaceuticals being pumped into his system, along with associating only with HYDRA when he was awake would absolutely cause some problems with a person’s ability to accurately assess Good Idea vs Bad Idea, or even believe that it matters, if it gets the job done. I just can’t decide if that’s what they’re actually doing or if that’s what I want them to be doing. Otherwise it’s a very weird move for James Buchanan Barnes to make. But fuck yeah Bucky tearin shit UP with the murder arm is always fun to watch. *hearteyes* Given the ending of the episode, I think the real reason that Bucky wanted to break Zemo out was that he had promised him to Wakanda. Wakanda never got true justice for T'Chaka's death. Man, I hope so. It would be a lovely “thank you for fixing my brain” gift. |
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Apr 4, 2021 13:58:06 GMT -5
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Post by ganews on Apr 4, 2021 17:54:20 GMT -5
Man that reviewer at The Old Country is...bad. Like, unprofessional bad, as well as bad at watching TV. Some very peculiar takes on what’s going on. Not sure I buy Bucky helping break Zemo out of prison? It does seem like they’re trying to show him as extremely focused on The Shield, like obsessively focused, with maybe some not-very-good decision-making skills/flexible morals, influenced by overwhelming PTSD (and likely just flailing how to deal without a Rogers Support System available) which ok, yeah, I’m all for that. Shuri fixed the keyword issue, but there’s been no indication that she did anything to reverse the actual brain damage inflicted. (I mean fandom assumes Bucky & Steve got the same basic serum, so theoretically, any damage would be healed, but so far, the MCU has been very vague about it.) Anyway, I’m a fan of “Bucky has any number of issues due to repeated mind-wiping that interfere with his ability to care/understand that A Thing is not A Good or Smart Thing To Do”. Because yes, 70 years of mind-control, cryo, poor nutrition, all kinds of pharmaceuticals being pumped into his system, along with associating only with HYDRA when he was awake would absolutely cause some problems with a person’s ability to accurately assess Good Idea vs Bad Idea, or even believe that it matters, if it gets the job done. I just can’t decide if that’s what they’re actually doing or if that’s what I want them to be doing. Otherwise it’s a very weird move for James Buchanan Barnes to make. But fuck yeah Bucky tearin shit UP with the murder arm is always fun to watch. *hearteyes* Given the ending of the episode, I think the real reason that Bucky wanted to break Zemo out was that he had promised him to Wakanda. Wakanda never got true justice for T'Chaka's death. With T'Challa having been the one to bring Zemo in, I would have guessed he was satisfied enough at the time with him being locked up. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Apr 4, 2021 18:03:02 GMT -5
Given the ending of the episode, I think the real reason that Bucky wanted to break Zemo out was that he had promised him to Wakanda. Wakanda never got true justice for T'Chaka's death. With T'Challa having been the one to bring Zemo in, I would have guessed he was satisfied enough at the time with him being locked up. He may have been, or he may not have been but he didn't want to raise a stink about it, or he did raise a stink about it and still lost. It's also possible that Bucky isn't doing this for T'Challa, he's doing it for Shuri or Ramonda or someone else, maybe even Ayo herself. |
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Apr 6, 2021 8:08:24 GMT -5
My takeaways:
1) Disney is pretty impressive about having its movie stars show up in their TV productions (even if it's just the B-listers), unlike how I understand it worked on the Netflix shows that I didn't watch
2) Madripoor was all over X-Men comics; is this another tease of a Foxverse overlap like Fox!Pietro was?
3) "Huge bounty on her killers" did not mention "hey, the killers are these people in particular"; maybe that was a second text sent from offscreen
4) major Spiderman 3 vibes from Dance Dance Zemo
5) I'm seeing a lot of beats from the comics I read in the 90s (the Power Broker, Zemo's costume, Madripoor); is there a reason they're aiming for this demographic?
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Post by Ben Grimm on Apr 6, 2021 8:40:21 GMT -5
My takeaways: 2) Madripoor was all over X-Men comics; is this another tease of a Foxverse overlap like Fox!Pietro was? I'm pretty sure this is "we own rights to this again and we're going to use it" more than anything else. I don't think Fox ever used Madripoor, or if they didn it's in something I never saw. I seriously doubt we're ever getting a non-Deadpool use of any of the stuff from the Fox movies; I get the feeling that Feige doesn't like them very much. |
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Post by ganews on Apr 6, 2021 10:56:03 GMT -5
2) Madripoor was all over X-Men comics; is this another tease of a Foxverse overlap like Fox!Pietro was? I swear that was not a tease, just a solid joke.
I don't know how common this is, but I have very little desire for MCU mutant movies. Not that Fox had a great batting average, just eh. Get back to me when the inevitable trailer drops I guess.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Apr 9, 2021 17:41:11 GMT -5
Oh, so that's why Dr. Erskine wanted a good man instead of a perfect soldier.
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Post by ganews on Apr 10, 2021 9:12:39 GMT -5
Oh, so that's why Dr. Erskine wanted a good man instead of a perfect soldier. Everyone knew where this was going, but the defeat in "they weren't even super-soldiers" really sold it. Kurt Russell's kid looked like he might cry. I have no desire to spend more time with that character, so that crystalized moment was perfect for me. |
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Apr 11, 2021 19:55:43 GMT -5
I really thought Walker and Hoskins had already taken the serum. I guess this gets around only having one vial.
(ETA that I was too tired to add last night: but did they really have to fridge the black guy? Come on. Sure, having two vials mysteriously unbroken is more of a stretch, but come on.)
"The Patch project" -- they really are trolling the comics readers, aren't they? Sharon is totally The Power Broker.
I remember when people would wait a while for spoilers -- I got what Ayo did to Bucky's arm spoiled yesterday in plain sight, and the episode only came out two days ago. The mobile interface for this site sucks, but nearly all mobile interfaces suck, and I am too tired to get off the couch right now. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Apr 12, 2021 14:38:50 GMT -5
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