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Post by Post-Lupin on Feb 10, 2014 18:17:18 GMT -5
Watched the Last Six Minutes again. Just astonishing: the small details, the choreography, the background action - all flawless. And the soundtrack even goes dulled for a few seconds after the first gunshot, as though you're hearing it through Cohle's ears. This episode actually reminds me of a little debate I once had about whether directors in a TV show matter(I was on the side of yes), this episode pretty much proves it. This was also on an article about how there isn't enough female directors on Doctor Who. So the dipshit I was arguing with was probably a douchebag MRA who was butthurt about "the wimmin" taking his fellow genders jobs. What Doctor Who truly needs is more women writers as well as directors. One would be a start.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2014 22:06:35 GMT -5
Guys. I am old and lame and gotta read stories to the kid and have to get up really early, and I just can't stay up for tv anymore. So I have to watch this the next day on demand, and by that point there's really no reason to go to the Old Country to make comments. But HOT DAMN do I love this show. At first I was a little disappointed that things were less, shall we say, metaphysical, especially where Rust was concerned - we weren't getting many amazing Rustism insights. But then I saw that he was deliberately numbing himself, stifling that shit with booze and then drugs, and holy shit that thing he did with the cayenne to mimic track marks gave me a queasy feeling. And then immersion and more drug use and the constant threat of violence, and it just kept going and going like a crazy high, almost ALMOST out of his control, like when you dream about losing control of a car, and when I realized how long and tight and tense that shot was I paused to think, WOW they're really good at this.
ETA Marty looking at himself in the one eye mirror
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Post by beema on Feb 10, 2014 23:45:55 GMT -5
I hope the lovecraft/devil worshipping doesn't become real. I don't mind fantasy at all, but for this? It just takes out a lot of the horror for me actually. I find it more terrifying for people to actually pull this stuff off when it is nothing but blind faith. I also feel it would take away the impact of Rust's existentialism. I understand where you're coming from, but A. completely disagree and B. I think you can understand how much it'd mean to me for us to get a straight-up, awesome Lovecraftian tv series. I tried to hold back, but I cannot. I say this as a big Lovecraft fan: NO. Just no. That would be a completely different show than what I'm watching. I will go so far as to say that would be one of the most terrible decisions this show could make and it would completely ruin the series for me. I feel like Apu yelling at Skinner for Billy & The Cloneasaurus -- WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!?! I mean... thank you, come again.
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Post by beema on Feb 10, 2014 23:47:29 GMT -5
You guys seen this? It's pretty hilarious (thanks to SLOW for the link
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Post by Arthur Dent on Feb 11, 2014 0:14:31 GMT -5
I understand where you're coming from, but A. completely disagree and B. I think you can understand how much it'd mean to me for us to get a straight-up, awesome Lovecraftian tv series. I tried to hold back, but I cannot. I say this as a big Lovecraft fan: NO. Just no. That would be a completely different show than what I'm watching. I will go so far as to say that would be one of the most terrible decisions this show could make and it would completely ruin the series for me. I feel like Apu yelling at Skinner for Billy & The Cloneasaurus -- WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!?! I mean... thank you, come again. I am and was well aware of how you feel about the situation. That doesn't change the fact that I feel it could easily work on this show.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Feb 12, 2014 4:15:23 GMT -5
So, as far as the case itself goes, we're very clearly being led to be unsure of whether Rust is or isn't involved in these killings somehow. And I think it's usually pretty hard to tell just what Rust would and wouldn't do. But in this week's episode, when Rust directs the young boy to the bathroom and orders him to stay in the bathtub to keep him safe, increasing the odds that his cover will be blown in doing so, it's one of the only times we've seen a genuine act of unselfish human decency on this show. And this is a bit hard to square with the idea of Rust as some incredibly manipulative killer
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Post by Post-Lupin on Feb 12, 2014 7:50:37 GMT -5
So, as far as the case itself goes, we're very clearly being led to be unsure of whether Rust is or isn't involved in these killings somehow. And I think it's usually pretty hard to tell just what Rust would and wouldn't do. But in this week's episode, when Rust directs the young boy to the bathroom and orders him to stay in the bathtub to keep him safe, increasing the odds that his cover will be blown in doing so, it's one of the only times we've seen a genuine act of unselfish human decency on this show. And this is a bit hard to square with the idea of Rust as some incredibly manipulative killer I'm still going with the theory that the Tuttles are either the killers or protecting same, and its a layer of Hellfire Club corruption right through the political and religious heart of the state. Marty & Rust were either led to believe the trail ended with Ledoux or were manipulated to stop the case from going deeper - this is the full extent of their culpability. That's why there was another death post-Ledoux, and these are the "right fucking questions" Rust talks about. The only question becomes: is the cult worshipping a real King In Yellow or not?
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Post by silentspy on Feb 13, 2014 13:31:38 GMT -5
I found myself unimpressed with the overall episode (at least compared to the hype, I'd still give it an A-), but that tracking shot was something really excellent.
As for the overall episode, I'm still a bit lost following the case at this point since it mostly seems like a MacGuffin to tell the story of the characters - which is more than fine, since I'm more interested in who they are as characters anyways. But this week the case seemed to take a lot of the focus and while the case was more engaging to me than usual, it also felt like it took a whole other trajectory and I kept having to remind myself why they were even involved in all of this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 21:06:20 GMT -5
This has nothing to do with the show, but I just stumbled upon this pic and HAD to share: Can't wait for the next episode.
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Post by beema on Feb 16, 2014 22:13:19 GMT -5
Man this episode gave me the shivers
Looks like most of you were right -- that the present detectives want to peg Rust as the killer (well, that was pretty much spelled out for us), and that the real killer might be related to the Governor/church, and as such is being protected.
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Post by ganews on Feb 17, 2014 0:19:47 GMT -5
Geez. This episode was more tense for me than the famous six-minute tracking shot.
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Post by beema on Feb 17, 2014 0:27:51 GMT -5
Cub where the fuck are you? Get in shoutbox or something!
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Feb 17, 2014 0:41:44 GMT -5
Wow, this was a pretty fantastic episode. Probably a more consistently amazing episode than last week's, even if nothing reached the high of that 6 minute tracking shot. On the other hand, the case is looking a bit predictable. Clearly, Lupin's right that Tuttle has some sort of deeper involvement here, and it would be a pretty huge shock if Rust was the killer. Even the really sudden death of LeDoux was pretty inevitable from the moment it was clear Rust and Marty were making up the story about their shootout with him. But I still trust the show enough that I fully expect the final three hours of this season to continue to be fascinating.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 1:18:15 GMT -5
Cub where the fuck are you? Get in shoutbox or something! Yeah, where IS cub? I just have no clue what she could be spending some time on.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Feb 17, 2014 6:50:13 GMT -5
Oh guys, it gets better... I can make a case that the whole show is a direct offshoot of Grant Morrison's The Invisibles. The description of M-theory and how times looks from a higher dimensional perspective? Not only is it straight out of that book, but it's specifically said to be the perspective of the King-Of-All-Tears, head of the Outer Church... also known as The Yellow King. Rust Cohle is a Blank Badge. He's just spent seven years training in the Invisible College, learning the needed skills to find and (mostly) keep his cover while he takes out the Carcosa cult. Nice and smooth. Of course it's not actually going to be that... but I'll wager it'll not be far off.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 7:22:21 GMT -5
Rust Cohle is a Blank Badge. He's just spent seven years training in the Invisible College, learning the needed skills to find and (mostly) keep his cover while he takes out the Carcosa cult. Nice and smooth. Yesssss - last night I finally saw that broken, alcoholic Cohle is just another deep cover, a place to lurk while he hunts the King in Yellow. Can't wait to see him break character.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Feb 17, 2014 8:36:14 GMT -5
Rust Cohle is a Blank Badge. He's just spent seven years training in the Invisible College, learning the needed skills to find and (mostly) keep his cover while he takes out the Carcosa cult. Nice and smooth. Yesssss - last night I finally saw that broken, alcoholic Cohle is just another deep cover, a place to lurk while he hunts the King in Yellow. Can't wait to see him break character. Several comments at the Old Country saying Rust let himself get seen at the crime scene deliberately, to pull the investigation to him. Possibly just to get into the room with those guys and get a read on them. That works for me.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Feb 17, 2014 8:41:15 GMT -5
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Post by pairesta on Feb 17, 2014 9:21:12 GMT -5
I loved the forward jump in time; I was hoping they'd spend some time on the Marty/Rust breakup in 2002. There does seem to be more of a bridge between the Rust of 02 and now.
We still haven't seen the gas mask dude that ended the ep a few weeks ago; thought for sure he'd pop up in the shoot out this episode. (If that discussion is on the Old Country's episode comments, I apologize; I haven't made it very far in).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 9:24:54 GMT -5
Wasn't gas mask guy Reggie Ledoux? I just assumed he was, but I'll have to go back and match their tattoos.
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Post by pairesta on Feb 17, 2014 9:30:20 GMT -5
Well I'm remarkably dense if it was and I didn't catch it. I just figured with such a compelling image there'd be more story to it.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Feb 17, 2014 10:02:36 GMT -5
Cub where the fuck are you? Get in shoutbox or something! Yeah, where IS cub? I just have no clue what she could be spending some time on. I just have to let you know this post made me grin ridiculously at work and made my boss ask what I was so happy about on a Monday morning. So thank you for making me look like a weirdo at work! Jerk. (kidding, you know I heart you).
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Post by beema on Feb 17, 2014 11:14:44 GMT -5
So, looks like Lupin already kinda addressed this, but a friend of mine has a theory: Rust is deep cover, possibly for the FBI or another federal agency. He needs to be, since the local PD and state politics are involved in the case and he couldn't get anywhere going that route. He thinks that Marty & Rust staged their "break up" so Rust could go off the radar. Wasn't gas mask guy Reggie Ledoux? I just assumed he was, but I'll have to go back and match their tattoos. Yes, it was
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Post by Post-Lupin on Feb 17, 2014 12:28:23 GMT -5
So, looks like Lupin already kinda addressed this, but a friend of mine has a theory: Rust is deep cover, possibly for the FBI or another federal agency. He needs to be, since the local PD and state politics are involved in the case and he couldn't get anywhere going that route. He thinks that Marty & Rust staged their "break up" so Rust could go off the radar. Wasn't gas mask guy Reggie Ledoux? I just assumed he was, but I'll have to go back and match their tattoos. Yes, it was Agree with Rust post-breakup as in deep cover, but I think it's purely personal, not for any TLA agency. I suspect he and Marty basically faked the break-up to give him the opportunity & provide Marty plausible deniability. We shall see.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Feb 17, 2014 14:44:25 GMT -5
matt wanted me to say hi for him, as he is w/o internet mid-move, and tell you that you are the best! (with one exception--that was his joke, but seriously YOU ARE THE BEST!) Aww yay! Our little Mutual Admiration Society (which you are included in too, of course!) is fantastic, because we are all awesome. We should start some sort of superteam or band or something!
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Feb 17, 2014 17:29:59 GMT -5
Well I'm remarkably dense if it was and I didn't catch it. I just figured with such a compelling image there'd be more story to it. That's what I thought too, but then again, I figured we actually catch up with LeDoux after he gets out of his gas mask and takes a shower (hence the towel around his waist), and both LeDoux and Gas Mask Guy have that same noose tattoo about their necks, so I assumed it was the same guy.
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Post by pairesta on Feb 17, 2014 17:34:40 GMT -5
Well shit. I'm an idiot then. Still, seems kinda strange to have that nightmarish image (especially when Rust and Marty never see him that way) and then do nothing with it.
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Post by Kid Q on Feb 17, 2014 18:08:47 GMT -5
Just had a mini-marathon of the available episodes. The show really does live up to the hype. Did not know about the Lovecraftian elements going in. So nice to not have that spoiled before hand. As to the question of should the Mythos element be "real" or not, I have faith from what I have seen so far to believe that which ever way the creators decide to go I trust them to do it well. Great stuff.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Feb 17, 2014 18:41:15 GMT -5
Well shit. I'm an idiot then. Still, seems kinda strange to have that nightmarish image (especially when Rust and Marty never see him that way) and then do nothing with it. The point being that. however monstrous a human is, at some stage they take off the mask. The King In Yellow wears no mask.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Feb 17, 2014 22:06:38 GMT -5
I just watched the first episode. It was amazing. Dark, guarded, funny, character-building, great sense of place, the credits are gorgeous. I'm hooked.
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