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Post by nowimnothing on Jan 14, 2014 12:06:21 GMT -5
Wherein we book readers speculate about what events will or will not be included in season 4.
SPOILERS through all published books, casting rumors, set location reports etc.
From the trailer:
and casting, it looks like we are getting the Mountain/Viper fight, but I am not sure where it will fall, maybe around episode 6? So many choices for episodes 9-10, Tyrion's escape, Battle of the Wall?
The purple wedding may be fairly early in the season and a great shocker for the newbies.
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Post by Arthur Dent on Jan 14, 2014 13:42:54 GMT -5
Wherein we book readers speculate about what events will or will not be included in season 4. SPOILERS through all published books, casting rumors, set location reports etc. From the trailer: and casting, it looks like we are getting the Mountain/Viper fight, but I am not sure where it will fall, maybe around episode 6? So many choices for episodes 9-10, Tyrion's escape, Battle of the Wall? The purple wedding may be fairly early in the season and a great shocker for the newbies. They already confirmed that the penultimate episode will be in the style of Blackwater and be about the Battle at the Wall, so I think Tyrion's escape will have to be in the finale.
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Post by Jon Pertwees Shameless Gurning on Jan 14, 2014 14:25:18 GMT -5
If the Battle at the Wall is Ep 9, then I'm pegging the purple wedding somewhere between Eps 4 and 6.
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Post by nowimnothing on Jan 14, 2014 15:28:22 GMT -5
From the brief shot of Theon (assuming it is not a fever dream as he endures yet another season of torture) should we assume they are bumping Moat Cailin from ADWD into this season? I really don't know what else they can come up with to keep Theon busy this season since they seem to have dropped Jeyne Poole. I suppose she could be easily replaced with another fake Arya and they could get into that plot. If they did that, then maybe he could end up with Asha and Stannis in season 5.
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Post by sarapen on Jan 14, 2014 15:28:54 GMT -5
What happened in the next book again? There was a new point of view character banging the princess of Dorne and also the big duel with Gregor Clegane but I can't remember much else. Did Bran reach the tree man yet? And I forget what Jon was doing. Did the Purple Wedding happen near the end?
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Post by nowimnothing on Jan 14, 2014 15:44:25 GMT -5
The one guy being attacked in the alley and some of Daenery's statements look like her plot this season will be focused on Meereen from ADWD. If so it will be interesting where they split that story between the next two seasons.
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Post by heroboy on Jan 14, 2014 15:59:51 GMT -5
Season 4 is the second half of Book 3, so the purple wedding should show up fairly early in the season (episode 3 or 4 I'm guessing).
As for Bran, he didn't reach the tree until midway through Book 5, and I don't believe he was seen again after crossing the wall until Book 5. He'll probably meet Coldhands at some point this season while wandering in the North.
The Battle of the Wall will be in episode 9, and the vote for the new Lord Commander of the Nightwatch will culminate in episode 10.
Dany's storyline is either going to be pretty damned boring, or they'll try to spice it up like they did in Season 2, and hopefully they'll succeed this time.
Arya will, as always, have one of the richer stories across the entire season, starting with hanging out with the Hound for the first half, and joining the church in the second half.
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Post by nowimnothing on Jan 14, 2014 16:03:18 GMT -5
What happened in the next book again? There was a new point of view character banging the princess of Dorne and also the big duel with Gregor Clegane but I can't remember much else. Did Bran reach the tree man yet? And I forget what Jon was doing. Did the Purple Wedding happen near the end? It is easier to think of A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons as one book. The timeline is pretty much the same. The purple wedding and the Mountain vs the Red Viper actually happen in A Storm of Swords. Introducing Dorne takes up a lot of A Feast for Crows. Jon, Bran and Daenerys's stories pick back up in ADWD. Jon defends the wall against the wildlings with the help of Stannis and eventually is voted Lord Commander. Bran finds a cave and starts communing with the tree guy.
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Post by sarapen on Jan 14, 2014 16:24:05 GMT -5
What happened in the next book again? There was a new point of view character banging the princess of Dorne and also the big duel with Gregor Clegane but I can't remember much else. Did Bran reach the tree man yet? And I forget what Jon was doing. Did the Purple Wedding happen near the end? It is easier to think of A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons as one book. The timeline is pretty much the same. The purple wedding and the Mountain vs the Red Viper actually happen in A Storm of Swords. Introducing Dorne takes up a lot of A Feast for Crows. Jon, Bran and Daenerys's stories pick back up in ADWD. Jon defends the wall against the wildlings with the help of Stannis and eventually is voted Lord Commander. Bran finds a cave and starts communing with the tree guy. Thanks, the Wikipedia summary has entirely too much detail in it.
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Post by Arthur Dent on Jan 14, 2014 16:25:52 GMT -5
What happened in the next book again? There was a new point of view character banging the princess of Dorne and also the big duel with Gregor Clegane but I can't remember much else. Did Bran reach the tree man yet? And I forget what Jon was doing. Did the Purple Wedding happen near the end? It is easier to think of A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons as one book. The timeline is pretty much the same. The purple wedding and the Mountain vs the Red Viper actually happen in A Storm of Swords. Introducing Dorne takes up a lot of A Feast for Crows. Jon, Bran and Daenerys's stories pick back up in ADWD. Jon defends the wall against the wildlings with the help of Stannis and eventually is voted Lord Commander. Bran finds a cave and starts communing with the tree guy. All of that stuff with Jon was also at the end of A Storm of Swords, which just goes to you how stark the contrast is between it and the other two books. And I even still like those two, but one can't ignore that, even if I appreciate the idea that things needed to calm down for a while.
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Post by nowimnothing on Jan 14, 2014 16:40:17 GMT -5
It is easier to think of A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons as one book. The timeline is pretty much the same. The purple wedding and the Mountain vs the Red Viper actually happen in A Storm of Swords. Introducing Dorne takes up a lot of A Feast for Crows. Jon, Bran and Daenerys's stories pick back up in ADWD. Jon defends the wall against the wildlings with the help of Stannis and eventually is voted Lord Commander. Bran finds a cave and starts communing with the tree guy. All of that stuff with Jon was also at the end of A Storm of Swords, which just goes to you how stark the contrast is between it and the other two books. And I even still like those two, but one can't ignore that, even if I appreciate the idea that things needed to calm down for a while. Damn, you are right! ADWD is just Jon working with the wildings. I guess it does mirror Dany's story in Meereen as far as the difference between being good at fighting battles and being a good ruler. I am guessing the end of those plots will not be until season 5.
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Post by brillig on Jan 14, 2014 16:56:24 GMT -5
As for Bran, he didn't reach the tree until midway through Book 5, and I don't believe he was seen again after crossing the wall until Book 5. He'll probably meet Coldhands at some point this season while wandering in the North. The trailer shows a scene of one of the Nightwatch guys leaving a baby in the snow, a la Craster. Also, there were spots on the cast list for more of Craster's wives. Sounds like they're going to pad out Bran's story by having his group stumble on Craster's Keep, and then probably Coldhands shows up to save them from an attack by wights or something.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jan 14, 2014 22:15:57 GMT -5
The Braavosi banker Tycho will be in this season, as well. The reports say that this is who Mark Gatiss was cast to play. So, apparently we are at least getting to the point of the banker getting to the Wall to speak to Jon Snow. Which is pretty far through A Dance With Dragons, I think? (The last two books are very fuzzy in my head.) So, it sounds like at least the Jon/Stannis storyline is going to be moving very quickly.
Wonder what that means for season 5?
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Post by NewHereAgainoZach on Jan 14, 2014 22:58:02 GMT -5
I'm just looking forward to Joffrey's wedding.
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Post by The Larch on Jan 14, 2014 23:12:14 GMT -5
The Braavosi banker Tycho will be in this season, as well. The reports say that this is who Mark Gatiss was cast to play. So, apparently we are at least getting to the point of the banker getting to the Wall to speak to Jon Snow. Which is pretty far through A Dance With Dragons, I think? (The last two books are very fuzzy in my head.) So, it sounds like at least the Jon/Stannis storyline is going to be moving very quickly. Wonder what that means for season 5? The banker will probably be showing up in King's Landing first.
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Post by Carade on Jan 14, 2014 23:20:03 GMT -5
I'm just looking forward to Joffrey's wedding. Hopefully it won't drive me to drink like the wedding last season.
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Post by NewHereAgainoZach on Jan 14, 2014 23:35:28 GMT -5
I'm just looking forward to Joffrey's wedding. Hopefully it won't drive me to drink like the wedding last season. Put a bottle of Dom on ice.
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Post by ComradeQuestions on Jan 15, 2014 8:00:57 GMT -5
I'm curious what they'll do with Littlefinger/Sansa this season. The trailer kinda gave me the impression they might get to the Eyrie, but I'm not sure how that'd work, particularly with respect to season 5.
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Post by nowimnothing on Jan 15, 2014 8:19:40 GMT -5
The Braavosi banker Tycho will be in this season, as well. The reports say that this is who Mark Gatiss was cast to play. So, apparently we are at least getting to the point of the banker getting to the Wall to speak to Jon Snow. Which is pretty far through A Dance With Dragons, I think? (The last two books are very fuzzy in my head.) So, it sounds like at least the Jon/Stannis storyline is going to be moving very quickly. Wonder what that means for season 5? Well Stannis does not get to the wall until the end of the battle, so that should wrap up season 4. Then season 5 is Jon wrestling with being commander and treating with the wildlings. His big moment at the end of ADWD probably won't happen until episode 9 or 10 of season 5. Similarly we might expect Meereen to stretch into 2 seasons for Dany. This season is her struggling with ruling. Next season we focus more on the dragons and she gets her big moment with Drogon. The good thing about combining books 4 and 5 is that everyone gets something to do. The bad thing is that there is not a lot going on for some of them. I get the feeling people who already did not like Dany's storyline are going to like it even less this season since the real payoff will not be until season 5.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Jan 15, 2014 9:17:55 GMT -5
I'm curious what they'll do with Littlefinger/Sansa this season. The trailer kinda gave me the impression they might get to the Eyrie, but I'm not sure how that'd work, particularly with respect to season 5. I had the same thought. As much as I want to see that story line happen, I want it to make sense with the rest of the narrative.
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Post by nowimnothing on Jan 15, 2014 12:01:04 GMT -5
I'm curious what they'll do with Littlefinger/Sansa this season. The trailer kinda gave me the impression they might get to the Eyrie, but I'm not sure how that'd work, particularly with respect to season 5. I had the same thought. As much as I want to see that story line happen, I want it to make sense with the rest of the narrative. Perhaps her escape in the aftermath of the purple wedding and trip to the Eyrie could be padded out for Season 4, leaving the manipulations of Littlefinger in the Eyrie for season 5. It probably does not even need to be padded out much, we could easily see her on a boat with Littlefinger in the 4th or 5th episode and not see her again until she realizes where she has been taken in episode 9 or 10.
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Post by nowimnothing on Feb 10, 2014 16:05:07 GMT -5
The new behind the scenes teaser is out:
Not sure I saw much new. It does look like we are getting at least the start of the ADWD dragon plot based on some dialog and the size of Drogon at 14:04.
Also looks like Bran will be using Hodor for some head bashing based on the cuts that group were all sporting in the interviews.
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Post by brillig on Feb 10, 2014 17:07:37 GMT -5
And just like the books no one notices what Littlefinger is doing or Stannis and his crew heading up to the Wall. Meta!
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Post by Desert Dweller on Feb 12, 2014 0:24:45 GMT -5
I'm excited! This stuff is some of the best material in the books.
Yes, it does look like we will be getting a bit of books 4 & 5 in some of the stories. Not surprising considering where some of those plots ended in S3.
I'm looking forward to seeing Oberyn. Dany's plot looks a bit boring. The King's Landing stuff should be fun this season. I'm interested to see what they do with Jamie since he'll be in King's Landing for a lot longer than he was in book.
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Post by nowimnothing on Feb 28, 2014 15:24:21 GMT -5
There have been a few new 30 second teasers out, I don't think they provided any new info, i.e. Tryion going to prison and Danni having dragon trouble. This latest one though does I think give us a hint that the Sansa/Littlefinger plot may be introduced this season.
Not sure that looks like the Eyrie, but where else would she be with snow?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 14:06:04 GMT -5
Sansa/Petyr will definitely be this season. We can even see her with blacker hair in some shots I believe. What I really wonder is what they're going to do with Lady Stoneheart...
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Post by nowimnothing on Mar 3, 2014 16:57:12 GMT -5
Sansa/Petyr will definitely be this season. We can even see her with blacker hair in some shots I believe. What I really wonder is what they're going to do with Lady Stoneheart... I would like it if she was just alluded to most of the season, maybe as Brienne goes on her quest. They can save the reveal for the end of the season or even push it to next season if they want to draw out Brienne's plot. It is hard to tell with anything given the messed up chronology of AFFC and ADWD. The writers are trying to pull the books back together after Martin split them up. They have done a great adaptation so far, so hopefully they can pull this off as well.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Mar 4, 2014 14:28:14 GMT -5
Rowan Kaiser started a new Twitter account just to talk GoT (RowanTalksGOT) and this thought was his main reason:
"I have no idea what the writers can do with Shae that's not horrible"
Point being - it's established in the show she actually loves Tyrion, so her heel-turn later doesn't work, and just having her killed is basically a fridging for Tyrion's benefit.
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Post by nowimnothing on Mar 5, 2014 9:55:55 GMT -5
Rowan Kaiser started a new Twitter account just to talk GoT (RowanTalksGOT) and this thought was his main reason: "I have no idea what the writers can do with Shae that's not horrible" Point being - it's established in the show she actually loves Tyrion, so her heel-turn later doesn't work, and just having her killed is basically a fridging for Tyrion's benefit. Ugh, I hate trying to figure out twitter conversations. But the maps were cool. She loves Tyrion, but she is also very jealous at times. I could see that being used to make her turn against him at least as a way to hurt him. The biggest problem is that her relationship with Sansa has shown her to be be quite clever and astute. She would have to be more dumb and emotional to make a play like that. The only way for it to work is if she is tricked to believe he really has wronged her in some major way. I do think they will give Tyrion some out from at least intentionally killing her himself. Even if he is blinded by rage, it would make the TV character too hard to sympathize with. I don't think they are as willing to go there with several fan favorite characters as the book was.
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Post by MissEli on Mar 7, 2014 19:41:14 GMT -5
Rowan Kaiser started a new Twitter account just to talk GoT (RowanTalksGOT) and this thought was his main reason: "I have no idea what the writers can do with Shae that's not horrible" Point being - it's established in the show she actually loves Tyrion, so her heel-turn later doesn't work, and just having her killed is basically a fridging for Tyrion's benefit. Ugh, I hate trying to figure out twitter conversations. But the maps were cool. She loves Tyrion, but she is also very jealous at times. I could see that being used to make her turn against him at least as a way to hurt him. The biggest problem is that her relationship with Sansa has shown her to be be quite clever and astute. She would have to be more dumb and emotional to make a play like that. The only way for it to work is if she is tricked to believe he really has wronged her in some major way. I do think they will give Tyrion some out from at least intentionally killing her himself. Even if he is blinded by rage, it would make the TV character too hard to sympathize with. I don't think they are as willing to go there with several fan favorite characters as the book was. I'm going to commit blasphemy. What if Tyrion isn't the one who kills her? What if Tywin tries to turn her, she resists/doesn't go through with the heelturn, he's disgusted by her love/loyalty for Tyrion and kills her, yet again depriving Tyrion of someone who loves him? Tyrion snaps, kills Tywin in the privvy. Huge change from the book, but given the other changes, it would still make sense for the characters and lead them to where they should be eventually. Yeah, yeah, blasphemy, I know.
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