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Post by ๐ cahusserole ๐ on Jun 27, 2016 1:30:42 GMT -5
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Post by ๐ cahusserole ๐ on Jun 27, 2016 1:40:29 GMT -5
People travel mighty fast on this show. DO THEY FUCKING EVER. The Greyjoys leave Pyke at the end of 604. They're in Volantis (or wherever they stopped over to get they whorin' on) in 607. And they're in Meereen in 609. Basically across the entire globe in the span of four episodes (605โ608 I'm counting them as sailing). And tonight, Varys travels from Sunspear to Meereen DURING the episode. |
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Jun 27, 2016 2:03:27 GMT -5
DO THEY FUCKING EVER. The Greyjoys leave Pyke at the end of 604. They're in Volantis (or wherever they stopped over to get they whorin' on) in 607. And they're in Meereen in 609. Basically across the entire globe in the span of four episodes (605โ608 I'm counting them as sailing). And tonight, Varys travels from Sunspear to Meereen DURING the episode. I feel like that was just a continuity error. Like they either wrote the Dorne scene at the last minute, or intended it to come later, but realized it was the end of the season. There was no reason for Varys to come back to Meereen. |
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Post by haysoos on Jun 27, 2016 18:06:15 GMT -5
I almost wish I'd avoided the TV series until after the books. I have a feeling there will be a lot of details of how some of these events transpired that got lost in translation.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jun 28, 2016 23:18:26 GMT -5
I almost wish I'd avoided the TV series until after the books. I have a feeling there will be a lot of details of how some of these events transpired that got lost in translation. Yeah, I haven't enjoyed this season as much as I wanted to. I keep imagining how this would all work within the books. Wondering what events are being shuffled around. Whether some characters on screen are substituting for different characters in the books. Oh well. Can't make GRRM write faster. |
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Post by Sanziana on Jul 3, 2016 7:08:47 GMT -5
I almost wish I'd avoided the TV series until after the books. I have a feeling there will be a lot of details of how some of these events transpired that got lost in translation. I actually liked the swiftness with which the show glided over some events. It just dealt with them rapidly, without spending a lot of time on unnecessary detours. |
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Post by sarapen on Aug 21, 2017 20:23:56 GMT -5
So I was wondering where all those ice dragon theories were coming from. Turns out it was from all the HBO leaks, according to Vanity Fair. It otherwise seemed an odd detail to fixate on from that encyclopedia. I mean, that book also had a civilization of Neanderthals and implied that their world's Chinese people were interbreeding with lizard men from beneath the earth. Turns out they weren't theories, they were people who'd accessed the leaks and pretended they'd thought of the ice dragon on their own. Also I wonder what Beric's story here means for zombie Cat's story from the books. I guess Thoros will be the one wielding the flaming sword if we get this Avengers Assemble thing in the books? |
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Post by Nudeviking on Aug 27, 2017 20:30:20 GMT -5
So I was wondering where all those ice dragon theories were coming from. Turns out it was from all the HBO leaks, according to Vanity Fair. It otherwise seemed an odd detail to fixate on from that encyclopedia. I mean, that book also had a civilization of Neanderthals and implied that their world's Chinese people were interbreeding with lizard men from beneath the earth. Turns out they weren't theories, they were people who'd accessed the leaks and pretended they'd thought of the ice dragon on their own. Also I wonder what Beric's story here means for zombie Cat's story from the books. I guess Thoros will be the one wielding the flaming sword if we get this Avengers Assemble thing in the books? Maybe Mombie Stark will get Beric's flaming sword. |
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Post by Powerthirteen on Aug 27, 2017 21:03:33 GMT -5
I'm still in S4 but I don't really care about spoilers ever which means I really enjoy watching Twitter lose it during every episode and tonight is no exception.
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Post by Hachiman on May 24, 2019 2:20:21 GMT -5
The travel times have really bugged me. I know I have mentioned that before but considering how long various characters spend in the books aimlessly wandering, the travel times on the show made me go, "wait, skipping over the 18th character going through the Riverlands was an option?"
There's other issues. Book Tyrion was much more on top of his claim as the rightful Lord of Casterly Rock and the Westerlands, where on the show he acted like he had nothing to do with the place. I would have loved a scene of him calling whatever banners weren't loyal to Cersei.
The book Night King is different from the leader of the White Walkers, so I guess there is still some looking forward to however that White Walkers are resolved, too. We know next to nothing about them.
I mean, there's a lot, really. But after the way the show ended and the slow pace of putting out the books, I am not really that invested in finishing. There is so much in the books though, that I still feel like we absolutely have to get a different ending than what the show gave us. Maybe with the three Targaryens joining forces or something. Hard to say, but its really hard to believe that what we got is supposed to be similar to ending that GRRM has planned.
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Post by patbat on May 24, 2019 8:57:43 GMT -5
I'm wondering about all the characters who never even made it onto the show, given that one of the major criticisms Martin comes in for is creating two new characters for every one he kills off. Lady Stoneheart, John Connington and Aegon, etc. I guess he could just give them all what Quentyn Martell got?
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Post by sarapen on May 24, 2019 11:51:30 GMT -5
Maybe we'll get more on the Azor Ahai thing. Maybe we'll at least know which character was the Prince Who Was Promised. I guess we might get something bigger for Nymeria's wolf pack. Also some more exploration on what it means that magic's back thanks to the dragons.
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Post by haysoos on May 24, 2019 13:04:11 GMT -5
The last two seasons, but in particular this one were just so rushed. We never got time to even figure what was happening with each character before their whole arc (and often their life) was over.
And the Starks didn't even really do much of anything. Sure Arya killed the Night King, and Jon eventually killed the Mother of Dragons, but other than that they basically had no agency in their own stories. Sansa in particular just sat in a crypt and then whined about Dany. She could have at least used her Valyrian knife to kill a few walkers in the crypt.
And much like Lost, there were so many questions unanswered. Like what was the purpose of that squirming body part and zombie sigil that was left on the wall of Craster's Keep, other than to look super-creepy when it was lit on fire? Why was the Night King so intent on invading the south, and why at this exact moment in history. If he was just chasing Bran, then wasn't it a pretty irresponsible thing to put Bran in a place where there were lots of other people?
I actually liked the overall finale, but there are so many pieces that could have been awesome if they'd just tweaked them a little, it's frustrating.
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Post by sarapen on May 28, 2019 19:23:27 GMT -5
So what exactly will be Daenerys' enduring legacy? I assume the Northerners are going to downplay her contribution to the war against the heavy metal album cover, since that's the kind of thing one would expect from the world of the show, and that she'll be a trivia tidbit shared by historical pedants in the vein of "Well, actually there were also 700 Thespians fighting beside the 300 Spartans at the Battle of Thermopylae".
I can't remember if the show covered this, but in the books it was clear that a new ruling class of oppressive bastards was forming in the cities of Essos that she conquered. Possibly slavery will remain wiped out, but it's not clear that any great difference in material conditions would manifest for the average joe.
What institutions, then, is she leaving behind? The Unsullied will obviously die out eventually, but perhaps they'll train the islanders of Naath to defend themselves. And I guess the last dragon will terrorize the world for decades and maybe centuries hence. But is Daenerys just the last gasp of the Targaryens and of Valyria before their race was finally extinguished?
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Post by Hachiman on May 29, 2019 0:17:09 GMT -5
So what exactly will be Daenerys' enduring legacy? I assume the Northerners are going to downplay her contribution to the war against the heavy metal album cover, since that's the kind of thing one would expect from the world of the show, and that she'll be a trivia tidbit shared by historical pedants in the vein of "Well, actually there were also 700 Thespians fighting beside the 300 Spartans at the Battle of Thermopylae". I can't remember if the show covered this, but in the books it was clear that a new ruling class of oppressive bastards was forming in the cities of Essos that she conquered. Possibly slavery will remain wiped out, but it's not clear that any great difference in material conditions would manifest for the average joe. What institutions, then, is she leaving behind? The Unsullied will obviously die out eventually, but perhaps they'll train the islanders of Naath to defend themselves. And I guess the last dragon will terrorize the world for decades and maybe centuries hence. But is Daenerys just the last gasp of the Targaryens and of Valyria before their race was finally extinguished? The books indicate that there were other Valyrian survivors, including the Westerosi houses Velaryon and Celtigar. In the Free Cities, Volantis is noted for being run by pure-blooded Valyrians living inside a tower of sorts and the books also mention Lys specifically for having tons of Valyrian-descended people with silver hair. In terms of institutions, she is really leaving nothing behind but the abolition of slavery and some basic (and limited) ideas on human rights like the ban on bloodsport. And slavery was already forbidden in Westeros, which is why Jorah was on the run all the way back at the beginning. So not much of a legacy there. I was really expecting the series to show the last gasp of a unified Westeros since the throne was melted. Only some dragon-riding outsiders brought 7 kingdoms all together into one country in the first place, and the War of the 5 Kings showed how each kingdom hated being ruled by some high lord from another kingdom. With Danny and Drogon out of the picture AND the capital destroyed, there's no reason for any of those countries to continue to band together, especially Dorne and the Iron Islands. There's 3 ethnic groups (4 if you consider the Iron Islanders and basically being their own thing) and 2 religions (not counting the Lord of Light), so fragmentation is guaranteed without some higher purpose or force keeping them all together. I really hated how the show at the end seemed to go "All of Dany's people are outsiders and we hate them" only to turn around and go "Really, an outsider is really the only person we can count on to fairly rule." |
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Post by Nudeviking on May 29, 2019 1:47:38 GMT -5
So what exactly will be Daenerys' enduring legacy? I assume the Northerners are going to downplay her contribution to the war against the heavy metal album cover, since that's the kind of thing one would expect from the world of the show, and that she'll be a trivia tidbit shared by historical pedants in the vein of "Well, actually there were also 700 Thespians fighting beside the 300 Spartans at the Battle of Thermopylae". I can't remember if the show covered this, but in the books it was clear that a new ruling class of oppressive bastards was forming in the cities of Essos that she conquered. Possibly slavery will remain wiped out, but it's not clear that any great difference in material conditions would manifest for the average joe. What institutions, then, is she leaving behind? The Unsullied will obviously die out eventually, but perhaps they'll train the islanders of Naath to defend themselves. And I guess the last dragon will terrorize the world for decades and maybe centuries hence. But is Daenerys just the last gasp of the Targaryens and of Valyria before their race was finally extinguished? The books indicate that there were other Valyrian survivors, including the Westerosi houses Velaryon and Celtigar. In the Free Cities, Volantis is noted for being run by pure-blooded Valyrians living inside a tower of sorts and the books also mention Lys specifically for having tons of Valyrian-descended people with silver hair. In terms of institutions, she is really leaving nothing behind but the abolition of slavery and some basic (and limited) ideas on human rights like the ban on bloodsport. And slavery was already forbidden in Westeros, which is why Jorah was on the run all the way back at the beginning. So not much of a legacy there. I was really expecting the series to show the last gasp of a unified Westeros since the throne was melted. Only some dragon-riding outsiders brought 7 kingdoms all together into one country in the first place, and the War of the 5 Kings showed how each kingdom hated being ruled by some high lord from another kingdom. With Danny and Drogon out of the picture AND the capital destroyed, there's no reason for any of those countries to continue to band together, especially Dorne and the Iron Islands. There's 3 ethnic groups (4 if you consider the Iron Islanders and basically being their own thing) and 2 religions (not counting the Lord of Light), so fragmentation is guaranteed without some higher purpose or force keeping them all together. I really hated how the show at the end seemed to go "All of Dany's people are outsiders and we hate them" only to turn around and go "Really, an outsider is really the only person we can count on to fairly rule." Aren't there at least three religions in Westros? There are the "old gods" and "the new" plus the Iron Islanders' "drowned god" or whatever. In addition you kind of do have to count the Lord of Light shit since I think (in the books at least) under Stanis the bulk of the population of Dragonstone converted to it (or got wrecked). I can't remember if that entire place got deserted in the books like it seemed to in the later seasons of the shows or not but if there were people still living there a lot of them would at least nominally be followers of the Lord of Light, making Dragonstone yet another region with one less reason to keep any ties to the concept of the Seven Kingdoms. |
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Post by Hachiman on May 29, 2019 2:50:57 GMT -5
Aren't there at least three religions in Westros? There are the "old gods" and "the new" plus the Iron Islanders' "drowned god" or whatever. In addition you kind of do have to count the Lord of Light shit since I think (in the books at least) under Stanis the bulk of the population of Dragonstone converted to it (or got wrecked). I can't remember if that entire place got deserted in the books like it seemed to in the later seasons of the shows or not but if there were people still living there a lot of them would at least nominally be followers of the Lord of Light, making Dragonstone yet another region with one less reason to keep any ties to the concept of the Seven Kingdoms. You're totally right. I included the Iron Islanders as their own ethnic group, even though they are nominally Andals, but forgot about their CPR-based religion. There is no way that Dragonstone and its surrounding Islands also don't do their own thing. The books made it clear that the island and the neighboring islands were the original Targaryen territory pre-conquest, and the main reason Stannis was there was due to that fact and that its considered the seat of the heir apparent (which Stannis was back when Robert became king). Sure Bran could send ships out there to bring them back in line, but what would be the point? This whole thing should have ended with everyone fighting. |
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