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Post by Shipwreck on Apr 30, 2015 11:34:40 GMT -5
Shipwreck Right the thing that emerges gradually in the books is that, while Aerys was a terrible king, Rhaegar had the potential to be a great one (and while Robert Baratheon was a fine campaigner he made for an ineffectual ruler.) Right. And even then, Robert had Jon Arryn, Ned Stark, his brothers, and the Tully's on his side. I got the sense that Robert was more of the catalyst and remained the face for the rebellion because his partial Targaryan ancestry gave him the most legitimate claim to the throne after the Targaryans were overthrown. I doubt he was too many people's first choice for king.
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Post by sarapen on May 4, 2015 22:35:04 GMT -5
I forget, has the Darkstar been cast for this season? Also, I don't remember any specific member of the Sand Snakes so I'm cool with their number being reduced for the show.
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Post by Post-Lupin on May 5, 2015 6:36:19 GMT -5
GUYS. R+L=J now series canon??
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Post by rimjobflashmob on May 5, 2015 7:41:28 GMT -5
GUYS. R+L=J now series canon?? Yup. Rickon + Lancel = Jorah. Speaking of whom, it seems like Mormont is being set up to be the series' Jon Connington? I can't imagine why they would spend so much time setting up greyscale if none of the main cast is going to contract it (and next episode's previews seem to indicate Tyrion running afoul of some stone men). I highly doubt we're getting Aegon in the show, so this would be the next step I suppose.
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Post by Shipwreck on May 5, 2015 11:10:52 GMT -5
GUYS. R+L=J now series canon?? I wouldn't call it canon yet, only because it wasn't actually confirmed outside of a knowing smirk from Littlefinger, but yeah, it's there. I was actually late to the series and decided to read all of the books before I started it, so I marathoned the books between seasons two and three and then started the show from the beginning. I wasn't looking at anything about the books or the show so when I saw that R+L=J was a thing, I got really excited since I had put it all together. Martin was dropping hints from the beginning of book one, so it was hardly some Holmes like detective work, of course.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on May 5, 2015 11:26:18 GMT -5
Watching the actor who plaued Barristan Selmy talking about episode four. He spoilers Barristan's fate: Yup he's dead. Not coming back. He's disappointed because he's read the books and was hoping based on the character's greater prominence in them he'd get more to do this season.
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Post by rimjobflashmob on May 5, 2015 12:01:41 GMT -5
Watching the actor who plaued Barristan Selmy talking about episode four. He spoilers Barristan's fate: Yup he's dead. Not coming back. He's disappointed because he's read the books and was hoping based on the character's greater prominence in them he'd get more to do this season. I love how salty that dude is about the whole thing. Rumor has it he pitched the script across the room when he read it the first time.
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on May 6, 2015 12:00:20 GMT -5
I fucking hate that Selmy was taken down by a bunch of KKKers.
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on May 6, 2015 17:08:30 GMT -5
In the second Season 5 trailer, you can quite clearly see Loras' trial, during which he charges at the male prostitute he was sleeping with in the first episode. Things are looking grim for Loras.
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Post by jerkassimo on May 7, 2015 13:58:23 GMT -5
I fucking hate that Selmy was taken down by a bunch of KKKers. So so much. The thing that bugs me is *everyone* sung his praises about how great a warrior he was - Ned, Jaime, Jorah, King Robert - everyone. He was built up so much, painting his masterpieces in other peoples blood and all that, and when we finally get to see him in action he gets seriously wounded and probably ends up dead. (though he does kick a lot of ass and takes out many of them). But making it worse is it's at the hands of these harpy chumps.
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Post by thepromisedprince on May 7, 2015 20:39:52 GMT -5
I forget, has the Darkstar been cast for this season? Also, I don't remember any specific member of the Sand Snakes so I'm cool with their number being reduced for the show. Watchers on the Wall reported they were looking to cast a charismatic, young Dornish man who would interact with main cast members in an important scene, fighting on horseback. However, their source specifically said it was not meant to be Darkstar, just a minor character invented for the show. Might even have been one of the guys Jamie and Bronn already fought last episode, though that didn't seem like an ''important'' scene.
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Post by thepromisedprince on May 10, 2015 21:08:35 GMT -5
I was wondering if they'd give Jorah JonCon's ailment. This plus all the other Greyscale exposition really supports the Great Plague theories.
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Post by rimjobflashmob on May 11, 2015 2:00:24 GMT -5
GUYS. R+L=J now series canon?? Yup. Rickon + Lancel = Jorah. Speaking of whom, it seems like Mormont is being set up to be the series' Jon Connington? I can't imagine why they would spend so much time setting up greyscale if none of the main cast is going to contract it (and next episode's previews seem to indicate Tyrion running afoul of some stone men). I highly doubt we're getting Aegon in the show, so this would be the next step I suppose. CALLED IT! (Pretty obviously set up, but this doesn't happen for me a lot. At least not since the first couple seasons of Vampire Diaries.)
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on May 11, 2015 8:25:59 GMT -5
I fucking hate that Selmy was taken down by a bunch of KKKers. So so much. The thing that bugs me is *everyone* sung his praises about how great a warrior he was - Ned, Jaime, Jorah, King Robert - everyone. He was built up so much, painting his masterpieces in other peoples blood and all that, and when we finally get to see him in action he gets seriously wounded and probably ends up dead. Yeah, but all that mythologizing was about a much younger man. (Also we knew for sure he was dead last week because the actor confirmed it on Thronecast.)
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Post by nowimnothing on May 11, 2015 8:32:21 GMT -5
They were doing a bit of exposition on The Citadel and Oldtown so I wonder if Sam's journey is still in play?
Also I just realized something, even if R+L=J (and that seems pretty clear now if even non-book readers are catching on,) he is still a bastard right?
Of course Gendry showed us that it is the blood that matters, not marriages or lack thereof.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on May 11, 2015 8:48:47 GMT -5
nowimnothingThat's really the thing, isn't it. Jon may be just a Targaryen bastard, but Targaryens can have some weird abilities (like when Daenerys walked into that fire and came out still alive); but he could also be Rhaegar's legitimate son if Rhaegar married Lyanna. Now, we already know that Rhaegar was already married when he hooked up with Lyanna - to Elia of Dorne - and Westeros' dominant religion frowns on polygamy... but Targaryens have a tradition of polygamous unions just as they have a tradition of incest. On the other hand, this tradition died out with the dragons, as without that awesome power the Targaryens felt the need to conform to the norms of their subjects more... but I guess it's still possible Rhaegar took Lyanna as his second wife in secret. And even if none of that was true, Jon could be legitimized as Jon Targaryen by a King or Queen, just as Stannis was willing to make him Jon Stark.
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Post by Shipwreck on May 11, 2015 9:20:15 GMT -5
So so much. The thing that bugs me is *everyone* sung his praises about how great a warrior he was - Ned, Jaime, Jorah, King Robert - everyone. He was built up so much, painting his masterpieces in other peoples blood and all that, and when we finally get to see him in actionΒ he gets seriously wounded and probably ends up dead. Yeah, but all that mythologizing was about a much younger man. (Also we knew for sure he was dead last week because the actor confirmed it on Thronecast.) That was how I looked at it. And besides, for a man his age he was a total badass in that scene. I didn't count how many guys he took down but when he came in it was just an injured Grey Worm and a mob of guys. He took the rest down almost by himself.
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Post by heroboy on May 11, 2015 9:26:06 GMT -5
They were doing a bit of exposition on The Citadel and Oldtown so I wonder if Sam's journey is still in play? Also I just realized something, even if R+L=J (and that seems pretty clear now if even non-book readers are catching on,) he is still a bastard right? Of course Gendry showed us that it is the blood that matters, not marriages or lack thereof. Even if he is a bastard, having that legitimacy also sparks a lot of speculation of J + D hooking up, since they like to keep it in the family, and there needs to be three heads to the dragon.
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Post by nowimnothing on May 11, 2015 9:35:07 GMT -5
They were doing a bit of exposition on The Citadel and Oldtown so I wonder if Sam's journey is still in play? Also I just realized something, even if R+L=J (and that seems pretty clear now if even non-book readers are catching on,) he is still a bastard right? Of course Gendry showed us that it is the blood that matters, not marriages or lack thereof. Even if he is a bastard, having that legitimacy also sparks a lot of speculation of J + D hooking up, since they like to keep it in the family, and there needs to be three heads to the dragon. Soooo a three-way with Jon, Dany and Tyrion?
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Post by rimjobflashmob on May 11, 2015 10:48:23 GMT -5
They were doing a bit of exposition on The Citadel and Oldtown so I wonder if Sam's journey is still in play? I think it's still going to happen, but Maester Aemon is going to die before they leave, not during the journey. This will prompt Jon to be all "aw geezey petes we need a new maester, oi Sam get on that would ya?"
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Post by Lady Bones on May 16, 2015 13:09:07 GMT -5
Finally saw the premiere. 'Tis was good shit. Watching GOT with your mom is way better than one would expect. The talk and debate afterward was a lot of fun.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on May 17, 2015 21:14:51 GMT -5
Well they did it. They really went full Jeyne Poole with Sansa Stark. I don't know what to say to that...
...so moving on to what Littlefinger's game plan is exactly. Everyone kind of just assumed the show was going to ignore the fact that marring Sansa to a Bolton would likely make Cersei go ballistic; but clearly the showrunners were never on that team. But I can't imagine Littlefinger intends to pur Sansa's head on a pike as his ideal situatuon - not on Cersei's orders anyway.
I think he's basically manipulating the situation so he can make a bid for control of the North against the Lannister installed Boltons but with the backing of the Lannisters. He already has the admittedly notional Harrenhal title and the somewhat more real authority in the Vale; adding de facto Warden of the East to de jure Warden of the North and he'll be even more powerful - and in a good position to marry Sansa Stark himself and throw his support behind another contender to the throne, or the Tyrrell management soon to take over Tommen's business if events in King's Landing follow the books in that regard (and word is they will.)
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Post by π huss π on May 17, 2015 22:31:37 GMT -5
I feel like puking.
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Post by rimjobflashmob on May 18, 2015 1:13:35 GMT -5
I'd feel slightly better if I felt that the writers could play out the emotional ramifications of tonight's episode in a meaningful way but ... well, they don't really have a great track record with this sort of thing. I'm mostly just disgusted, and not in a "I'm tuning in next week" kind of way. Like... what? Ugh.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on May 18, 2015 10:24:13 GMT -5
I was crying, with my hand over my mouth in shock and horror. I was just saying last week that I think they'd tone down this plot point because now it's happening to Sansa. Guess I was wrong. I'd rather watch Oberyn's horrible death ten times in a row than ever watch Sansa be hurt that way.
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Post by jerkassimo on May 19, 2015 8:23:40 GMT -5
Guys - can someone make a compelling case for me to continue reading any of the comment sections for GoT articles? After the GRRM/Sophie Turner article today, I think I'm turned off of them forever. Arguments from it not being a rape at all - to people only care because she was white - to everyone knew it was coming - to why is murder ok and this not ok? just make my head explode.
I rarely comment because I'm usually days behind in reading, but it's a real fucking shame since it was the LOST review comments/commentariat that brought to the site in the first place way back when. They were freewheeling and fun, snarky, and usually some thoughtful analysis and arguments were made. Now, reading some of these GoT article comments is a fucked up mix of tone-deafness and dissonance. It's too hard to tell the difference between trolls and those that believe the BS they are spewing.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on May 19, 2015 9:37:26 GMT -5
jerkassimo I basically just showed up to post some thoughts when the review went live (mostly a condensed version of what I just said) and left. I feel like the more popular a show is, the harder it can be to find good discussions about it on AV - Breaking Bad's comment threads were practically illegible by the end of the show. The discussion around last year's Game of Thrones rape was so bad I knew there was no way in hell that wouldn't repeat itself. Which is a real shame as I quite liked extensively going over the experts comments in season three (anyone remember that time Todd couldn't remember the name of Qyburn and there were like forty comments over and over telling him it was Qyburn until he had to edit the review simply to stop the avalanche? Good days.) Anyway, Monday's Thronecast was surreal. For anyone not familiar with it, Thronecast is essentially like Talking Dead, but for Game of Thrones and British (produced by Sky Atlantic, the channel that airs Game of Thrones here.) If you're wondering what the episode said about Sansa, the answer is basically nothing - even when they did their weekly culling of Twitter responses to the episode they kept it strictly within the parameters of the question they'd asked social media about Cersei. A single comment about Sansa which I think was off-colour (I didn't catch it) got a 'Not tonight of all nights,' from host Sue Perkins, and that was literally it.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on May 19, 2015 10:42:46 GMT -5
Guys - can someone make a compelling case for me to continue reading any of the comment sections for GoT articles? After the GRRM/Sophie Turner article today, I think I'm turned off of them forever. Arguments from it not being a rape at all - to people only care because she was white - to everyone knew it was coming - to why is murder ok and this not ok? just make my head explode. I rarely comment because I'm usually days behind in reading, but it's a real fucking shame since it was the LOST review comments/commentariat that brought to the site in the first place way back when. They were freewheeling and fun, snarky, and usually some thoughtful analysis and arguments were made. Now, reading some of these GoT article comments is a fucked up mix of tone-deafness and dissonance. It's too hard to tell the difference between trolls and those that believe the BS they are spewing. I'm glad I rarely have time to read the comment sections for things like this. It just isn't worth it. As said below, it's much more fun to hang out in the comment sections for "smaller" shows. Give me iZombie or Gravity Falls comments anytime over what GoT devolves into!
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on May 19, 2015 10:55:42 GMT -5
MrsLangdonAlger Exactly. It's always the mid-level shows. I kinda hope someone will review Defiance this year, though that's not too likely (Rowan Kaiser, essentially the only AVCer interested in the show, has moved on.) I'm sure hashing out whatever the hell happens in Wayward Pines will be less headache inducing than staying around the GoT comments too long, and a Shyamalan produced show should not be the less headache inducing choice.
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on May 20, 2015 16:34:36 GMT -5
Benioff: "Man, people really didn't like that rape scene last season." Weiss: "What do you suggest we do?" Benioff: "Have Ramsay rape Sansa." Weiss: "It's so crazy it might just work!"
Now I feel bad for this season being my favorite so far.
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