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Post by Desert Dweller on Jun 6, 2015 17:17:58 GMT -5
Really hoping Stannis takes out both Boltons this season. Though, that's probably an understatement. I'd actually like to see Stannis burn Roose Bolton alive as a sacrifice to the Lord of Light. And let Sansa and Theon have some fun stabbing Ramsay a few dozen times, and then let Stannis torch him, too.
I've made it through all the rape scenes, but I swear, if Ramsay and 20 guys take out Stannis I really might be done.
And, ye Gods, Stannis, DO NOT LET MELISANDRE SACRIFICE SHIREEN.
Anyway, that last scene last week was pretty fun. I admit to getting a bit bored of the zombies, but it really picked up when the White Walkers showed up. It was jaw dropping to see Jon shatter one with the Valyrian sword. Wow! And also WUN WUN! But, really, wow!
I'm now hoping we might get some backstory or development of the White Walkers soon. Like, maybe the season finale? I'd love a hint as to what they actually want.
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Post by nowimnothing on Jun 7, 2015 23:04:32 GMT -5
Well fuck!
First thing my wife says tonight is that Stannis is a bastard and he is going to sacrifice his kid. I say no way, there are a lot of people who really like Stannis.
My wife even guessed about Drogon right before he showed up.
Did anyone watch the making of yet? They specifically say that George told them about the Shireen scene so I guess this might be our first really major spoiler for book 6.
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Post by Nudeviking on Jun 8, 2015 6:50:19 GMT -5
Dammit Stannis! I thought we were cool man...I thought we were bros. All season long Mrs. Viking was like, "Stannis seems like a good dad...I hope you are that kind of dad to our daughter," and I was like, "Yeah, he really seems to care about his daughter."
What the fuck man! Now because of you I have to sacrifice my daughter to some sort of fire god. Thanks a lot dude.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jun 8, 2015 8:34:38 GMT -5
That was some straight up Iphigenia at Aulis shit right there. Also honestly who didn't see that Shireen scene coming all season? I sure did I just really, really wanted to be wrong. And this episode literally spends the whole time with Shireen reminding us who she is (she even restates her name just before she's led out to be burned alive lest we forget.) Nudeviking May I recommend Vulcan? Vulcan: The Roman Hephaestus; new and improved and with a much cooler name. |
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Jun 8, 2015 8:38:36 GMT -5
Did anyone watch the making of yet? They specifically say that George told them about the Shireen scene so I guess this might be our first really major spoiler for book 6. Shireen's been foreshadowed as being a goner for a while, but IIRC Stannis literally says something to the effect of "I'm not burning people anymore" in ADWD, so I figured Mel and Selyse would do it behind his back. Now, just... ugh. I'm team Night's King at this point, because why the fuck would I bother rooting for any of the humans on this shitty show? At least the Night's King is taking and raising abandoned babies. |
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Post by GussieFinkNottle on Jun 9, 2015 7:34:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm guessing she might get burned in books to resurrect a certain stabbed up chap but I can't see book Stannis agreeing (and given his obstinate nature and the quite a few miles between him and his daughter him doing so would require quite a few pages to get to). It's interesting, this is likely the first big character moment to happen before the books and it likely shows how the lack of detail/thought out motivation lessens these sort of plot points.
Ugh, it did feel kinda shocking for the sake of having a big moment. They've teased it all season but changed gears to it happening pretty quickly and with little sense of the overall story (didn't Stannis survive a mega siege)? And looking at reactions of friends compared to say the red wedding it's just this kinda "wow that's harsh, oh well" - not really a big emotionally resonant moment is it?
Probably best not to dwell too much on how they decided to remind people Meryn Trant isn't super fantastiche either is it..
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jun 9, 2015 7:56:33 GMT -5
That was some straight up Iphigenia at Aulis shit right there. Also honestly who didn't see that Shireen scene coming all season? I sure did I just really, really wanted to be wrong. And this episode literally spends the whole time with Shireen reminding us who she is (she even restates her name just before she's led out to be burned alive lest we forget.) Nudeviking May I recommend Vulcan? Vulcan: The Roman Hephaestus; new and improved and with a much cooler name. I'M VULCAN... THE GOD.  |
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jun 9, 2015 7:58:06 GMT -5
Probably best not to dwell too much on how they decided to remind people Meryn Trant isn't super fantastiche either is it.. That did make sense...  |
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Post by GussieFinkNottle on Jun 9, 2015 8:02:37 GMT -5
He is pretty dead crab-like
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Post by Lady Bones on Jun 14, 2015 21:41:24 GMT -5
Between Angel S3 and GOT S5 finale, I've seen a lot of "Oh I regret every choice in my life" character moments on tv lately.
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Post by 🐍 cahusserole 🐍 on Jun 14, 2015 21:57:51 GMT -5
PIXIE 4 LYF
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Post by nowimnothing on Jun 15, 2015 7:24:08 GMT -5
Well I certainly did not expect them to tear through ALL the last two books plus the bonus chapters from TWOW in this season. But I think it worked out well. My wife was pissed about Jon. She has a thing for dark mopey boys I guess. When the first knife went in, she was like, "oh no, no, no NO NO!" Afterwards she looked at me and said, "You knew since the show started that they were going to kill Jon!?! Why did you let me fall in love with him!!!!"
I think Cersei's walk was about right, very cringeworthy. The only problem I saw was that Headey* was distractingly fit and beautiful even with shit on her. In the book it seemed like the commoners were able to see her as human and flawed, Headey was anything but.
Arya's revenge was good but maybe not quite as cool as the book.
Weird that they are going back to the Dothraki after pretty much ignoring them the last few seasons.
Sansa was really going to stand there and let that girl shoot her?
So I guess everything is up in the air for next season. Let the wild speculation begin:
Jon is resurrected by Melisandra (No Lady Stoneheart but now we have Beric and The Mountain as precedents)
Iron Islands come back into play in Theon and Sansa's escape.
Dany returns to Meereen at the head of a Dothraki horde just in time to assist Tyrion to hold the city together.
Sam learns some secrets in the Citadel.
Cersei starts a war against the Faith Militant and Dorne.
*Now they are saying body double, but still too perfect
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on Jun 15, 2015 7:28:22 GMT -5
Did anyone else think the pacing was really off this episode? The show blew its wad with Stannis and Sansa way too soon.
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Post by Sanziana on Jun 15, 2015 7:43:29 GMT -5
So everything went down more or less as in the book, but I still felt so sorry for poor Jon. At least Kit Harrington acted in that scene better than in these whole 5 seasons (he improved this last season, didn't he? A bit), and Lena Headey killed it (that was a body double, 100 %, and a 30 year old one at most). And I was surprised how joyful I was Tyrion and Varys reunited. Ah, those two are the best.
Aslo, Brienne didn't finish the job, did she? I'm kind of sick of Stannis, he overstayed his welcome. The Myrcella/Jaime scene was the most upsetting for me to watch, though. The Sand Snakes remained pointless, of course.
Next season will be interesting, and scary. No more knowing what's going to happen.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jun 15, 2015 7:59:34 GMT -5
Did anyone else think the pacing was really off this episode? The show blew its wad with Stannis and Sansa way too soon. It felt like a Red Wedding style event (if not in scope, at least in tone) was happening every other scene; to the point I was settling in being relieved that nothing could go wrong in this scene and then Myrcella's nose starts bleeding. I think this could easily be called the most climactic season finale Game of Thrones has ever had, but that says more about how the show more typically structures its seasons - the climactic bang in the ninth episode, the tenth being a breather that sets up the next season - and a remark on how Game of Thrones strayed from this structure this year. Sanziana I'd be really, really surprised if Brienne did not kill Stannis. If nothing else, she's a woman of her word; not only had she sworn to herself she'd kill Stannis, she had just sentenced him to death in Renly's name; logically the last act she could ever take as Renly's Kingsguard. There's just really no reason for her to keep him around. |
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Post by nowimnothing on Jun 15, 2015 8:06:32 GMT -5
Did anyone else think the pacing was really off this episode? The show blew its wad with Stannis and Sansa way too soon. It felt like a Red Wedding style event (if not in scope, at least in tone) was happening every other scene; to the point I was settling in being relieved that nothing could go wrong in this scene and then Myrcella's nose starts bleeding. I think this could easily be called the most climactic season finale Game of Thrones has ever had, but that says more about how the show more typically structures its seasons - the climactic bang in the ninth episode, the tenth being a breather that sets up the next season - and a remark on how Game of Thrones strayed from this structure this year. Sanziana I'd be really, really surprised if Brienne did not kill Stannis. If nothing else, she's a woman of her word; not only had she sworn to herself she'd kill Stannis, she had just sentenced him to death in Renly's name; logically the last act she could ever take as Renly's Kingsguard. There's just really no reason for her to keep him around. I knew Myrcella was done when I saw that long kiss. The only hope is that Bronn acquired some of that antidote but she does not really serve a purpose alive anymore so I doubt it. |
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Post by Sanziana on Jun 15, 2015 8:17:55 GMT -5
Douay-Rheims-Challoner They didn't actually show her kill him, just raising the sword, and GoT is not exactly known for restraint, they showed everyone else dying in a gruesome way, so that's why I presumed this is not the last time we'll see him. And yeah, you have a point, Brienne is an honourable woman, but maybe that sense of duty to what's moral compelled her to believe she isn't exactly in a position to sentence him to death. (Stannis says to her ''Go on, do your duty'' and her face changes with doubt, I think) And concerning Dany and the dragon, I got as angry as reading the book. Tame that dragon already. The thing that I loved the most this season was Tyrion's look last episode when Dany flew. That's the look of a man with a reason to live. At last he's found his place.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jun 15, 2015 8:23:00 GMT -5
Sanziana We didn't see the exact moment of Ned Stark's beheading either, we just stuck around for the aftermath. Unless I dreamed it last time we cut away as Brienne lunged at Stannis with the sword, so.
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Post by Sanziana on Jun 15, 2015 8:26:32 GMT -5
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jun 15, 2015 11:21:25 GMT -5
D&D have said he's dead (which is also their line on Jon Snow; which doesn't stop people from believing that when Kit Harrington says he won't be in season six, he'll probably be in season SEVEN.) But I'm mostly just posting to share this:  |
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Post by Nudeviking on Jun 15, 2015 20:40:51 GMT -5
So I watched Season 5, Episode 10: Stannis and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day last night. Wow what a body count they amassed in a period of one hour! I thought that a lot of the stuff came across as kind of rushed, until of course the "Walk of Shame," which seemed to drag on forever what with the worst ice cream hawker music of all time ("Shame! Shame! Shame! ding ding ding... Shame! Shame! Shame! ding ding ding...) and disgusting dirt farmers jumping out to helicopter their dicks and yell gross stuff. Anyway that certainly was an episode of this show. My absolute favorite thing in the entire episode was the look on the one solider's face when Stannis was like, "What could be worse than mutiny?" was fantastic. Kudos to you featured extra! Kudos and huzzah!
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jun 16, 2015 5:54:27 GMT -5
Conversation with Tonks, who stopped watching around the time Ramsey Snow started a'cuttin':
Me: So, they killed Jon Snow.
Tonks: Oh well... there's always the Jon-Wargs-into Ghost option, isn't there? And then it's Jon-Ghost versus Dani for the Throne.
Me: Well, yes - but a wolf, however big, isn't much of a battle for a fully-grown dragon or three, is it?
Tonks: He's Targaryan if R+L=J, right? So, he'd be fire-proof.
Me: Fireproof Dire Wolf versus Dragons... is better than any other possible finale.
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Post by nowimnothing on Jun 16, 2015 7:50:45 GMT -5
Conversation with Tonks, who stopped watching around the time Ramsey Snow started a'cuttin': Me: So, they killed Jon Snow. Tonks: Oh well... there's always the Jon-Wargs-into Ghost option, isn't there? And then it's Jon-Ghost versus Dani for the Throne. Me: Well, yes - but a wolf, however big, isn't much of a battle for a fully-grown dragon or three, is it? Tonks: He's Targaryan if R+L=J, right? So, he'd be fire-proof. Me: Fireproof Dire Wolf versus Dragons... is better than any other possible finale. With the sidelining of the wolves the past few seasons I would love to see Jon's spirit warg into Ghost for a few episodes before Mel brings him back. They had Bran do it earlier, so it is established in the show universe. Jon would be all confused and start haunting Castle Black, maybe taking out a few of his killers. He could even get in touch with Bran. They have the money for the dragons, surely they can give a little to the wolves. How about Sansa and Theon are helped to escape by Nymeria? |
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jun 16, 2015 8:15:12 GMT -5
Oh, and let's have a moment for how brilliant Carice van Houten was: when Stannis was routed her face utterly changed; she looked like a scared teenager & stayed like that for the rest of the episode.
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on Jun 16, 2015 8:20:18 GMT -5
Oh, and let's have a moment for how brilliant Carice van Houten was: when Stannis was routed her face utterly changed; she looked like a scared teenager & stayed like that for the rest of the episode. Yep. One of my favorite parts of the finale. |
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Post by Baramos on Jun 20, 2015 20:54:52 GMT -5
I'm not so sure why you guys are so certain that we're done with AFFC and ADWD. You guys do read casting rumors, right? If not, I don't feel this is proper expert SPECULATION on the parts of all of you!
Casting rumors seem to confirm that they are casting Euron Greyjoy, Randyll Tarly, and several Riverlands bandits.
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Post by thepromisedprince on Jun 20, 2015 22:19:08 GMT -5
I'm not so sure why you guys are so certain that we're done with AFFC and ADWD. You guys do read casting rumors, right? If not, I don't feel this is proper expert SPECULATION on the parts of all of you! Casting rumors seem to confirm that they are casting Euron Greyjoy, Randyll Tarly, and several Riverlands bandits. Until Balon dies we technically aren't done with A Storm of Swords, but I think essentially we are past those books. With Euron I imagine they'll through the Kingsmoot quickly and get him to what he's doing in TWOW. With Randyll, I highly doubt we'll get his bits from those books directly adapted, and in general it seems his show storyline will be completely different. The epilogue of ADWD appears to set him up as important to the King's Landing storyline next book, while the casting rumors point to him being part of Sam's storyline. |
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Post by sarapen on Jun 22, 2015 15:56:42 GMT -5
D&D have said he's dead (which is also their line on Jon Snow; which doesn't stop people from believing that when Kit Harrington says he won't be in season six, he'll probably be in season SEVEN.) But I'm mostly just posting to share this: It's funny you should link that since that was exactly the shot I wanted to talk about (and I'm only doing that now because I'm kind of backed up on the TV shows). I had to pause the show at this scene just to admire the composition of the shot. You could include the screencap in a "how to draw" book about use of foreground, middleground, and background. I also like how the pyramidal composition is missing its apex, which is to say that the scene is incomplete without Daenerys at her throne. See what I mean?  Also another great use of planes and of light in general. And speaking of light, there's this scene between Jaime and Myrcella in their cabin:  Yes, he's in shadow and she's in light, it's very obvious symbolism. But beyond that, this is just excellent damned composition. The gold standard for this type of painterly image in TV for me is season 3 of The Borgias, where I had to pause at least once each episode just to admire how well-made a scene was, but GoT's definitely been bringing it too. |
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jun 22, 2015 17:41:08 GMT -5
sarapen Absolutely agreed on all counts but especially the Borgias; the Neil Jordan directed episodes in season three sing with indolent Catholicism. That image of Jeremy Irons framed by a confessional has stuck with me for years.
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Post by Sanziana on Jun 23, 2015 15:46:43 GMT -5
sarapen Absolutely agreed on all counts but especially the Borgias; the Neil Jordan directed episodes in season three sing with indolent Catholicism. That image of Jeremy Irons framed by a confessional has stuck with me for years. So is this thread slowly transforming into a lovefest for The Borgias? Because I approve. How I miss that show, so gorgeous and understated, it hurts thinking about its cancellation. And they didn't even release the soundtrack for season 2 and 3! That last song used was so wonderful. Back to GoT, this was my favourite season, Sand Snakes included. |
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