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Post by Das Mogul on Jun 15, 2014 7:11:24 GMT -5
I'll just leave this here: Edinburgh animated as Game of Thrones' 8th Kingdom. Fuckin radge. Ha! That is excellent. Although, as a weegie, once the Forth Bridge appeared I naturally expected the camera to swoop West over the Finneston Crane, Kelvingrove Art Gallery and the tragic burnt remains of the Glasgow School of Art.
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Post by Baramos on Jun 15, 2014 12:16:15 GMT -5
So a ton of stuff is gonna happen in the finale but honestly I am most interested to see how they handle Leaf, the member if the children of the forest that Bran meets... presuming she shows up. A little gnomic being might cross a line and seem too ridiculous for some viewers. I think they have something unique and high-quality in store for Leaf (and Bloodraven), judging by their Emmy submissions: "Outstanding Prosthetic Make-up: “The Children”
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on Jun 15, 2014 15:03:37 GMT -5
Lady Stoneheart better show up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 21:07:05 GMT -5
Happy Father's Day (crossbow to the gut)
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Post by Carade on Jun 15, 2014 21:10:24 GMT -5
WHERE WAS LADY STONEHEART GODDAMMIT
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jun 15, 2014 21:13:17 GMT -5
Wow. Some very interesting decisions in this episode.
Are they leaving out Lady Stoneheart? What's going to happen with Brienne and Jaime?? Why show the Brotherhood if this was getting left out?! Really need some interviewer with D&D to ask about this!
I now have great hope that S5 will improve on Tyrion's story in Book 5.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 21:23:48 GMT -5
You know, in the beginning I was just as likely as the average book reader to be irritated with change - Arya's Harrenhal story comes to mind - but at this point I've thrown my hands up and embraced it because it's really great in unexpected ways. Tonight I have to say I really liked the Hound v Brienne: two of my most beloved characters meeting up, almost like an alternate universe Westeros that is just as interesting as the one I know and love. Kudos to the show - I'm LOOKING FORWARD to surprises now.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jun 15, 2014 21:33:25 GMT -5
Yeah! I thought it was really cool when Brienne and The Hound met up in this episode. Even though I kind of knew what was going to happen at that point. Still, it was interesting to hear what those two characters had to say to each other. Ditto Brienne and Arya. That was great!
I'm somewhat amazed by how much the show really softens Tyrion as a character. Even in this episode where he strangles Shae, I feel like the show went easy on him by removing that backstory reveal about Tysha and how it severs his relationship with Jaime.
And now I'm kind of interested as to what GRRM has planned for Jojen Reed in Book 6. I mean, it would have been really easy to kill him in that same exact scene in ADWD. So, why is he still alive in the book?
Related: If season 5 happens before Book 6 comes out, we are going to get some Bran spoilers for sure.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Jun 15, 2014 21:33:39 GMT -5
WHERE WAS LADY STONEHEART GODDAMMIT This was my exact thought.
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Post by Nudeviking on Jun 15, 2014 22:03:55 GMT -5
WHERE WAS LADY STONEHEART GODDAMMIT Dammit TV show...now Ladyviking's going to call me a liar! <Flashback to 2013> Sobbing Ladyviking: I can't believe they killed everyone...even unborn Little Ned Stark. Nudeviking: Don't worry about it too much. I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of these Starks. Sobbing Ladyviking: What do you mean? Nudeviking: You want me to spoil it? Sobbing Ladyviking: Oh god yes... Nudeviking: Mom Stark will come back as an Undead Warrior hellbent on revenge in the last episode. Sobbing Ladyviking: Well that's good... <June 16, 2014> Angry Ladyviking: Why'd you tell me the Mom came back as a zombie?! That didn't happen...
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Post by Baramos on Jun 16, 2014 2:16:21 GMT -5
Yeah! I thought it was really cool when Brienne and The Hound met up in this episode. Even though I kind of knew what was going to happen at that point. Still, it was interesting to hear what those two characters had to say to each other. Ditto Brienne and Arya. That was great! I'm somewhat amazed by how much the show really softens Tyrion as a character. Even in this episode where he strangles Shae, I feel like the show went easy on him by removing that backstory reveal about Tysha and how it severs his relationship with Jaime. And now I'm kind of interested as to what GRRM has planned for Jojen Reed in Book 6. I mean, it would have been really easy to kill him in that same exact scene in ADWD. So, why is he still alive in the book? Related: If season 5 happens before Book 6 comes out, we are going to get some Bran spoilers for sure. Nerfing the Jaime/Tyrion/Tywin scene completely ruined it for me. It makes me rethink my approach to the show, which was to roll with the changes because when it mattered, I thought they would deliver, and I had developed this trust in what they were doing. And they just completely dropped the ball. Now, I may have said FUCK a lot when talked about it on the AV Club (and yeah, I said it sixty fucking times, too. Deal with it), because Jesus Christ, it really fucks it up. Just for no reason, too. Just...fuck, man. Like a quarrel in the soul, it is. EDIT: Keep in mind if it had been a stronger episode overall, maybe it wouldn't have hurt so much...but Jesus, they couldn't even give Bloodraven one eye. Just...I don't know anymore. As if the bad CGI on those skeletons wasn't enough...
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jun 16, 2014 2:44:37 GMT -5
WHERE WAS LADY STONEHEART GODDAMMIT Dammit TV show...now Ladyviking's going to call me a liar! <Flashback to 2013> Sobbing Ladyviking: I can't believe they killed everyone...even unborn Little Ned Stark. Nudeviking: Don't worry about it too much. I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of these Starks. Sobbing Ladyviking: What do you mean? Nudeviking: You want me to spoil it? Sobbing Ladyviking: Oh god yes... Nudeviking: Mom Stark will come back as an Undead Warrior hellbent on revenge in the last episode. Sobbing Ladyviking: Well that's good... <June 16, 2014> Angry Ladyviking: Why'd you tell me the Mom came back as a zombie?! That didn't happen... The problem with Lady Stoneheart is that she is getting revenge on the wrong people. Tywin, Walder and Roose are the perpetrators. Hell, even Littlefinger is more culpable than Brienne and Jaime. Like, I'm kind of surprised she's not in this episode. And I'm wondering what the heck the show is going to do with Brienne and, later, Jaime. But, I'm all for not seeing Brienne, Podrick and/or Jaime die for something they had no control over.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jun 16, 2014 6:58:50 GMT -5
Happy Father's Day (crossbow to the gut) I used to be a father like you.... then I took an arrow to the gut. (Yes it should be a bolt - let's not quarrel...) Also: Where did "where do whores go" go? (Doo-dah, doo-dah!)
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Post by ComradeQuestions on Jun 16, 2014 7:17:25 GMT -5
Are they leaving out Lady Stoneheart? What's going to happen with Brienne and Jaime?? Why show the Brotherhood if this was getting left out?! Really need some interviewer with D&D to ask about this! If they're smart they'll build to that reveal a little more, and have Brienne and Pod hearing rumors of the Brotherhood also seeking the Stark daughters, that Beric Dondarrion is dead and they have a new, ruthless leader that never speaks and kills any Lannister on sight. Then LSH will be revealed at the very end.
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Post by nowimnothing on Jun 16, 2014 8:23:09 GMT -5
I am not sure they can keep Stoneheart until the end of next season.That is just too much Brienne and Pod wandering around.
Looks like there are some solid storylines for next season: Cat of the Canals - though I am worried about the actress starting to look older, her scene with the Hound looked a bit more like a sullen teen than a small street urchin. Tyrion and Varys?!? in exile, meeting up with Jorah. Jon's election and treating with the wildlings while dealing with Stannis and Melisandra. Cersie tries to rule.
There are also some not so solid storylines: Brienne and Pod wander - Stoneheart? Jamie goes to Riverrun - fun to get the Blackfish back, but they will have to develop his motivation to leave Cersei. Bran learns to be a tree Dany tries some more to rule and Drogon comes back - the fighting pits will be no fun without Belwas. Dorne? Kingsmoot?
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Post by ComradeQuestions on Jun 16, 2014 9:13:56 GMT -5
I am not sure they can keep Stoneheart until the end of next season.That is just too much Brienne and Pod wandering around. The past two seasons of Bran would like a word with you. I also don't think Varys will be with Tyrion very much. He might just take over the Illyrio role of escorting Tyrion to the Golden Company, then disappear til turning up in King's Landing later.
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Post by Baramos on Jun 16, 2014 10:58:52 GMT -5
According to rumors Jaime will be going to Dorne, probably to smuggle Myrcella out, instead of the whole Riverrun thing. Because in the show Riverrun is solidly held by the Freys, as the Blackfish has simply disappeared. At least that's how I see it playing out.
The rumor is based on the idea that something-or-other, I forget if it's an audition or what, points to Oberyn's daughter having a line like "Jaime Lannister's been seen sneaking into Dorne".
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jun 16, 2014 16:23:16 GMT -5
So Leaf was basically just a scruffy looking kid. Okay then.
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Post by nowimnothing on Jun 16, 2014 17:52:35 GMT -5
So Leaf was basically just a scruffy looking kid. Okay then. With grenades!
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Post by nowimnothing on Jun 16, 2014 18:00:51 GMT -5
I guess after the taunting at Meereen, we must assume all Holy Grail references are intentional, including this and the wildling getting run down as he tried to attack Stannis.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jun 16, 2014 19:08:11 GMT -5
Daenerys: On second thought, let's not go to Westeros, tis a silly place.
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Post by Nudeviking on Jun 17, 2014 19:05:44 GMT -5
I finally got a chance to see the final episode of season 4. I thought it was pretty good, but there were a few things I was disappointed with. I can't believe the enemy on the cover of mid-90s PC game, Stonekeep, killed that kid from Love Actually. I can't believe that Leaf was basically a grubby Peter Pan clone with the D&D spell "Magic Missile." I can't believe that the three-eyed raven in dude form was more Christopher Lee as Saruman and less vine entangled zombie.
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Post by Baramos on Jun 17, 2014 23:27:26 GMT -5
The most bizarre thing about Bloodraven is he appears to have two eyes but they still have him say his catchphrase.
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Post by Nudeviking on Jun 18, 2014 3:28:36 GMT -5
The most bizarre thing about Bloodraven is he appears to have two eyes but they still have him say his catchphrase. I thought he was missing his right eye, but that entire underground set was grim dark so it could have just been shadows that in my mind added a missing eye. That dude was way not rotted and tattered enough though anyway.
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Post by The Larch on Jun 18, 2014 5:49:21 GMT -5
At least we got Bloodraven, unlike some other supposedly deceased character. Has there actually been any mention of who Bloodraven is on the show?
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jun 18, 2014 7:18:47 GMT -5
Daenerys: On second thought, let's not go to Westeros, tis a silly place. It's only a computer model. SHHHHHH!!!!!!!
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Post by nowimnothing on Jun 18, 2014 7:50:44 GMT -5
Daenerys: On second thought, let's not go to Westeros, tis a silly place. More seriously, why is Dany so focused on Westeros? I know it plays a big role in the past few generations of Targaryens and there is some wounded pride, but Essos seems a bigger prize. If she were to rule all of Essos she would accomplish something her ancestors never did. The Valerian Freeehold was never really one unified empire. Westeros can be dessert after that.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jun 18, 2014 7:52:55 GMT -5
Has there actually been any mention of who Bloodraven is on the show? I don't think there's been much mention of him in the novels either. He mostly gets discussed in the Dunk and Egg stories.
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Post by The Larch on Jun 18, 2014 13:31:26 GMT -5
Yeah, but at least The Mystery Knight was released before DwD, so we had the opportunity to know who he was before he appeared there.
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Post by Baramos on Jun 18, 2014 14:06:49 GMT -5
Daenerys: On second thought, let's not go to Westeros, tis a silly place. More seriously, why is Dany so focused on Westeros? I know it plays a big role in the past few generations of Targaryens and there is some wounded pride, but Essos seems a bigger prize. If she were to rule all of Essos she would accomplish something her ancestors never did. The Valerian Freeehold was never really one unified empire. Westeros can be dessert after that. Because she grew up hearing stories about it constantly from Willem Darry and her brother, it has taken on romantic connotations that don't match its reality (which is why the slow disillusionment she's had about her own father and lineage and the nature of ruling is very important). As for it being a greater prize, there are some arguments for it--it has a mostly unified culture for three hundred years (as huge as the chasms are between First Men and Andals and Rhoynar, it's still not as deep as the chasms that exist between the Free Cities, which have been in a constant state of warfare as opposed to Westeros where civil wars only break out every hundred years or so), at least pays lip service to things like honor and justice in its culture, doesn't have slavery, that kind of thing. It's also economically powerful if you take into account the Reach and the Westerlands as being economically powerful. Westeros has this thing where it's not quite as advanced as the Free Cities in the arts and technology but there's at least on the surface a naivete about "the old ways" that lends it a veneer that is more appealing than the naked truth of the in-fighting of Essos. Finally, Daenarys has no chance of ruling over a united Essos that is attuned to her values. It will never happen because she has trouble ruling one city, and she only has three dragons, not thousands. She CAN rule Westeros, though, given the right plan.
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