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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 23:19:46 GMT -5
Being curious about the shitshow GoT became is really the one thing that might actually get me to watch it again, I will start from season 3 though.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on May 12, 2019 23:59:14 GMT -5
Wow, that's a lot of money.
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Post by Hachiman on May 13, 2019 0:14:28 GMT -5
Wow, that's a lot of money. They spent a whole used 2012 Toyota Corolla!
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Post by Desert Dweller on May 13, 2019 1:29:35 GMT -5
This episode was terrible. Shocker.
Been in a discussion on twitter about why exactly this season is so bad. So far, the only thing we all agree on is that it IS bad.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on May 13, 2019 7:52:34 GMT -5
I didn't really love the episode, for sure. CleganeBowl was cool. Dany's surprise attack on Euron/the Iron Fleet was cool. But UGH, Dany is turning Mad Queen and Jaime... oh Jaime. He was supposed to come back and KILL Cersei, not die in a rubble pile while holding her. UGH. Desert Dweller I think part of the why is that they had a set endpoint in mind (whatever that is) and are now rushing around trying to make the characters fit the plot instead of the other way around. Some moments have been good, others are good in a vacuum but don't fit the character, and other parts are just Bad.
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on May 13, 2019 8:40:12 GMT -5
"Jon will be a wise ruler" -- Varys JON SNOW HAS NEVER MADE A SINGLE WISE DECISION IN BOTH OF HIS ENTIRE LIVES SERIOUSLY VARYS ARE YOU HIGH
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Post by Ben Grimm on May 13, 2019 8:44:02 GMT -5
"Jon will be a wise ruler" -- Varys JON SNOW HAS NEVER MADE A SINGLE WISE DECISION IN BOTH OF HIS ENTIRE LIVES SERIOUSLY VARYS ARE YOU HIGH Well, compared to Crazypants McCivilianburner, first of her loony-tunes, breaker of coherent characterization, maybe?
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on May 13, 2019 8:49:38 GMT -5
"Jon will be a wise ruler" -- Varys JON SNOW HAS NEVER MADE A SINGLE WISE DECISION IN BOTH OF HIS ENTIRE LIVES SERIOUSLY VARYS ARE YOU HIGH Well, compared to Crazypants McCivilianburner, first of her loony-tunes, breaker of coherent characterization, maybe? Eh, maybe? I mean, seriously, all of the Starks except Sansa used WIS as their dump stat, so unless Varys got a copy of the script in advance and knew Dany would go crazy for... um... whatever reason she went crazy, and I don't even know any more. Also, I guess the Iron Fleet turned off the autoaim/infinite ammo cheat after they took down one dragon?
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Post by Ben Grimm on May 13, 2019 8:54:21 GMT -5
Well, compared to Crazypants McCivilianburner, first of her loony-tunes, breaker of coherent characterization, maybe? Eh, maybe? I mean, seriously, all of the Starks except Sansa used WIS as their dump stat, so unless Varys got a copy of the script in advance and knew Dany would go crazy for... um... whatever reason she went crazy, and I don't even know any more. Also, I guess the Iron Fleet turned off the autoaim/infinite ammo cheat after they took down one dragon? Nah, I like the idea that Dany punched a block and got Super Mario's gold star right before the burninating started.
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Post by ganews on May 13, 2019 9:01:29 GMT -5
Look, we were all disappointed that Jamie didn't come back and kill Cersei. But be honest, anyone should have known that was not going to happen after last week. He's going down there to die with her, not to kill her.
It's not to surprising that Arya didn't get to do the deed, because how are they going to have the same character kill two Big Bads. (Guess I'll have to eat my words next week when she kills Daenerys, except actually Jon or Tyrion will be the one to do that.)
They allowed exactly one moment this season for Lena Headey to act other than standing and smirking, and that's when she died.
Wow Euron died like a punk. Killed by a one-handed man who admits he's crap with a sword, yeah I'm sure he killed some wights that only take one hit but Euron is supposed to be smarter.
I still feel like the foreshadowing of Danaerys' heel turn has been told rather than shown. Point me to her earlier examples of madness/cruelty. Executing the leaders of enemy forces but not the rank-and-file? Acting pissy that people aren't genuflecting but not really doing anything about it? Repeatedly holding off on attacking King's Landing when she has vastly superior forces? She's looked heartbroken for two episodes now and she's lashing out and it's dark, but hell so is Grey Worm.
Anyhoo I've actually been pretty pleased with this season, but this episode was not good.
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on May 13, 2019 10:17:00 GMT -5
I read the reviews on TOC, and I find it interesting that the non-book review gave it an A- but the book review gave it a B- and Miles seemed to have a problem justifying even that high a grade. The newbies review was saying "oh look, this is GRRM subverting our expectations again, how clever", while the experts one pointed out that, as ganews also noted, Dany's heel turn really came out of nowhere. And as I said above, we are being told Jon Snow would be a great ruler despite all the evidence that shows the exact opposite -- hell, the last time he 'ruled' over anything, his 'subjects' stabbed him to death. I feel like we have at least seen Dany's "I don't have a penis, but I have DRAGONS" behavior before, but I still feel this whole thing was stupid. GRRM talked about the "Meerenese Knot" and the difficulty untangling it, and to me it seems that D&D just cut it in half Alexander The Great-style and who cares where all the threads fell?
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Post by chalkdevil 😈 on May 13, 2019 10:22:49 GMT -5
Oof.
So, I looks like Clegane Bowl happened and some large, immobile dudes swung swords slowly at each other. Glad we got the culmination of that story line for that fan favorite character and a 500 lbs. slab of beef who had a tense meeting once in the first season. The best part is if the Hound never showed up the Mountain would probably still be dead, crushed under a castle. Anyway, the highlight of bit was when the Hound was getting knocked around by his brother and they were mirroring the shots with Arya getting knocked around by the mob/explosive dragon fire and my wife says "This is some E.T. bullshit right here."
Another disappointing thing for me, was that I was 100% sure that when Qyburn shows up and takes Cersei's hand that that was Arya and she was going to murder her. Or at least something. How come Arya never uses her magic face swapping powers. She spent a couple seasons getting those powers and it was only used to kill all the Freys. Then, nothing. She's just a good fighter now I guess and the showrunners like having her run around castles being afraid of things. I assume they think that ups the tension because I guess they assume we all think she's an unimpeachable bad ass now so if she's afraid, that tells the audience they should be afraid.
So, uh, Jon is going to kill Dany right? It will be a narrative reflection of his inability to kill Ygritte. Dude is always asked to murder the women he loves after he betrays them to honor some sort of unattainable code of chivalry and they get mad and start murdering everyone.
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Post by ganews on May 13, 2019 10:56:17 GMT -5
I do give the show credit for consistently doing a good job with gritty realism in battle, if not the way military operations work. Jon being smushed at the Battle of the Bastards, the lines being overwhelmed by wights at Winterfell, dust and explosions everywhere in King's Landing. It's great visual directing.
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Post by chalkdevil 😈 on May 13, 2019 11:19:31 GMT -5
I do give the show credit for consistently doing a good job with gritty realism in battle, if not the way military operations work. Jon being smushed at the Battle of the Bastards, the lines being overwhelmed by wights at Winterfell, dust and explosions everywhere in King's Landing. It's great visual directing. Oh, yeah, this episode definitely looked great. Some of those shots with Arya escaping were really beautiful and definitely only reminded me of 9/11 footage a little.* * This is not really true. It reminded me of 9/11 footage a lot. Apparently my wife was reminded too because she said something about even if Arya survives she's going to get cancer from all that dust.
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on May 13, 2019 12:09:34 GMT -5
I don't even go here any more - I peaced-out when Sansa married Ramsey - but I've been reading recaps to see how it all ends, and I swear to god, I have never understood how anyone would think Daenerys could be a fit ruler. I mean, I've always thought she was going to gain the Iron Throne, because it's obvious that she's Martin's precious princess, but she has never been anything approaching strategically-minded, and she acts like a thwarted child if she doesn't get what she thinks she is owed, or if things don't work out exactly like she wants them to.
And then today it occurred to me that the whole "Daenerys is a hero and a revolutionary" thing almost makes me understand how we got the president we got. Because apparently Americans don't understand what burgeoning facism looks like - if your political approach is different than the normal route, you are "standing up against the man!", not "completely ill-equipped to be in a position of power". We haven't had any homegrown facism (other than McCarthyism) so we don't know how to spot it.
Daenerys is and always has been a dictator in the making, and everyone around her enables that. I would be inclined to say that her flipping out and burninating Kings' Landing wasn't even Martin's idea, except that's a pretty big plot point for them to ignore and I don't know how far off-book they're going.
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Post by patbat on May 13, 2019 13:04:37 GMT -5
I don't even go here any more - I peaced-out when Sansa married Ramsey - but I've been reading recaps to see how it all ends, and I swear to god, I have never understood how anyone would think Daenerys could be a fit ruler. I mean, I've always thought she was going to gain the Iron Throne, because it's obvious that she's Martin's precious princess, but she has never been anything approaching strategically-minded, and she acts like a thwarted child if she doesn't get what she thinks she is owed, or if things don't work out exactly like she wants them to.
And then today it occurred to me that the whole "Daenerys is a hero and a revolutionary" thing almost makes me understand how we got the president we got. Because apparently Americans don't understand what burgeoning facism looks like - if your political approach is different than the normal route, you are "standing up against the man!", not "completely ill-equipped to be in a position of power". We haven't had any homegrown facism (other than McCarthyism) so we don't know how to spot it.
Daenerys is and always has been a dictator in the making, and everyone around her enables that. I would be inclined to say that her flipping out and burninating Kings' Landing wasn't even Martin's idea, except that's a pretty big plot point for them to ignore and I don't know how far off-book they're going.
Thank you--I swear some people have been watching a different damn show, or read too many "Hillary is Totally Khaleesi" thinkpieces back in the day. I mean, she literally got her dragons in the first place as a result of the temper tantrum she threw when a slave she rescued disobeyed her and she burned her alive for it; Dany's heel turn has been foreshadowed since season one, people.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on May 13, 2019 13:09:15 GMT -5
I don't so much have a problem with Dany's heelturn, though I do think it could have been done better. HBO would've gladly given them 10 episodes to pace things better and plot things better! But my biggest issue is definitely with Jaime's character arc being destroyed.
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Post by chalkdevil 😈 on May 13, 2019 14:06:53 GMT -5
I don't even go here any more - I peaced-out when Sansa married Ramsey - but I've been reading recaps to see how it all ends, and I swear to god, I have never understood how anyone would think Daenerys could be a fit ruler. I mean, I've always thought she was going to gain the Iron Throne, because it's obvious that she's Martin's precious princess, but she has never been anything approaching strategically-minded, and she acts like a thwarted child if she doesn't get what she thinks she is owed, or if things don't work out exactly like she wants them to.
And then today it occurred to me that the whole "Daenerys is a hero and a revolutionary" thing almost makes me understand how we got the president we got. Because apparently Americans don't understand what burgeoning facism looks like - if your political approach is different than the normal route, you are "standing up against the man!", not "completely ill-equipped to be in a position of power". We haven't had any homegrown facism (other than McCarthyism) so we don't know how to spot it.
Daenerys is and always has been a dictator in the making, and everyone around her enables that. I would be inclined to say that her flipping out and burninating Kings' Landing wasn't even Martin's idea, except that's a pretty big plot point for them to ignore and I don't know how far off-book they're going.
Thank you--I swear some people have been watching a different damn show, or read too many "Hillary is Totally Khaleesi" thinkpieces back in the day. I mean, she literally got her dragons in the first place as a result of the temper tantrum she threw when a slave she rescued disobeyed her and she burned her alive for it; Dany's heel turn has been foreshadowed since season one, people. See, Dany's potential for being a cruel ruler was certainly foreshadowed but it wasn't actually developed in the narrative. Her vengeance was always focused at the source of power: burning the witch that killed Khal Drogo, burning the masters to free the tortured Unsullied, crucifying the masters as punishment for crucifying their slaves, killing the Dothraki Khal's who took her prisoner, killing the Tarlys (and not the other captured soldiers) when they didn't submit. Varys was trying to poison her and supplant her with her nephew. None of this is done without reason. None of this is murdering innocent civilians as they coward in fear. Hell, she locked up her dragons for months after one of them killed one child. She has shown compassion for the "people." Hell, the Starks have shown just as much ability for vengeance killing as Dany. Robb kills that Karstark dude for killing that kid (which fucks stuff up down the line for his family long after he's dead) and he was just thought of as noble to a fault. Arya killed all the damn Freys. She murder a couple of them, cut them up into smaller pieces, cooked them in a pie, served that pie to their father before cutting his throat, then poisoning the rest of them. That isn't supposed to be a sign of madness. That's just supposed to be badass. Jon hangs all the people who killed him. He nearly beats Ramsey to death in a fit of rage (before he is stopped and then Sansa just has dogs eat him) and no one is claiming that those things foreshadow his decent into madness despite him being a Targaryen and the grandson of the Mad King. It's not even hinted that there could be the potential he could also be mad. Now, if instead of having Dany just decide to murder everyone except the one person she needs to murder (Cersei), they wanted to continue with the story of Varys leading others to abandon her after maybe the attack on Kings Landing accidentally ignited the wild fire and thousands of innocents died on accident. Using that as a justification to claim she's gone mad when she hadn't (women can be so emotional, we need a strong man to lead us, etc.) and then use that false narrative to drive a further wedge between her and Jon, who is upset because he thought she was reckless with all that dragon fire. That is at least trying to say something about how women who seek power are treated. Instead, the character of Dany has in the course of two episodes, become a caricature of a woman who seeks power. Her emotions got the best of her and now everyone is dead. Her boyfriend broke up with her and she was on her moon-blood and she incinerated a whole city. What we need is a sullen pretty boy who is pretty good with a sword to lead us. So, I guess in closing, as someone who has actually seen the show and not just read other people's recaps and used that as a basis to form an opinion, Dany's heel turn wasn't unexpected, it just wasn't earned.
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Post by songstarliner on May 13, 2019 14:07:59 GMT -5
I don't so much have a problem with Dany's heelturn, though I do think it could have been done better. HBO would've gladly given them 10 episodes to pace things better and plot things better! But my biggest issue is definitely with Jaime's character arc being destroyed. I always thought Jaime and Cersei would die together, but I genuinely thought he would kill her and then kill himself. The books lay it out pretty clearly that she always, always manipulated him: seduced him, enthralled him, cruelly twisted him up. She was the only woman he ever slept with, until Brienne ... which, sorry shippers, should never have happened. He loved Cersei and he hated her, and hated himself for loving her - so yeah. Ending his story the way they did was so stupid ... but hey at least he wasn't killed by Euron fucking Greyjoy before he could find her.
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Post by ganews on May 13, 2019 14:10:59 GMT -5
I don't even go here any more - I peaced-out when Sansa married Ramsey - but I've been reading recaps to see how it all ends, and I swear to god, I have never understood how anyone would think Daenerys could be a fit ruler. I mean, I've always thought she was going to gain the Iron Throne, because it's obvious that she's Martin's precious princess, but she has never been anything approaching strategically-minded, and she acts like a thwarted child if she doesn't get what she thinks she is owed, or if things don't work out exactly like she wants them to.
And then today it occurred to me that the whole "Daenerys is a hero and a revolutionary" thing almost makes me understand how we got the president we got. Because apparently Americans don't understand what burgeoning facism looks like - if your political approach is different than the normal route, you are "standing up against the man!", not "completely ill-equipped to be in a position of power". We haven't had any homegrown facism (other than McCarthyism) so we don't know how to spot it.
Daenerys is and always has been a dictator in the making, and everyone around her enables that. I would be inclined to say that her flipping out and burninating Kings' Landing wasn't even Martin's idea, except that's a pretty big plot point for them to ignore and I don't know how far off-book they're going.
Thank you--I swear some people have been watching a different damn show, or read too many "Hillary is Totally Khaleesi" thinkpieces back in the day. I mean, she literally got her dragons in the first place as a result of the temper tantrum she threw when a slave she rescued disobeyed her and she burned her alive for it; Dany's heel turn has been foreshadowed since season one, people. Daario already summed it up: she's a conquerer. That's just not the same thing as madness in this fictional world. She burned alive the lady who knew she was effectively killing Drogo and the unborn baby. She burned alive the Khals who said they were going to imprison and rape her, the slavemasters who were resisting her. As far as people mixing the show with real political allegory, I take more issue with the writers leaning into "so and so wants it too much, someone who doesn't want to be in charge must be the best leader".
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on May 13, 2019 15:01:10 GMT -5
Thank you--I swear some people have been watching a different damn show, or read too many "Hillary is Totally Khaleesi" thinkpieces back in the day. I mean, she literally got her dragons in the first place as a result of the temper tantrum she threw when a slave she rescued disobeyed her and she burned her alive for it; Dany's heel turn has been foreshadowed since season one, people. See, Dany's potential for being a cruel ruler was certainly foreshadowed but it wasn't actually developed in the narrative. Her vengeance was always focused at the source of power: burning the masters to free the tortured Unsullied, crucifying the masters as punishment for crucifying their slaves, killing the Dothraki Khal's who took her prisoner, killing the Tarlys (and not the other captured soldiers) when they didn't submit. Varys was trying to poison her and supplant her with her nephew. None of this is done without reason. None of this is murdering innocent civilians as they coward in fear. Hell, she locked up her dragons for months after one of them killed one child. She has shown compassion for the "people." Hell, the Starks have shown just as much ability for vengeance killing as Dany. Robb kills that Karstark dude for killing that kid (which fucks stuff up down the line for his family long after he's dead) and he was just thought of as noble to a fault. Arya killed all the damn Freys. She murder a couple of them, cut them up into smaller pieces, cooked them in a pie, served that pie to their father before cutting his throat, then poisoning the rest of them. That isn't supposed to be a sign of madness. That's just supposed to be badass. Jon hangs all the people who killed him. He nearly beats Ramsey to death in a fit of rage (before he is stopped and then Sansa just has dogs eat him) and no one is claiming that those things foreshadow his decent into madness despite him being a Targaryen and the grandson of the Mad King. It's not even hinted that there could be the potential he could also be mad. Now, if instead of having Dany just decide to murder everyone except the one person she needs to murder (Cersei), they wanted to continue with the story of Varys leading others to abandon her after maybe the attack on Kings Landing accidentally ignited the wild fire and thousands of innocents died on accident. Using that as a justification to claim she's gone mad when she hadn't (women can be so emotional, we need a strong man to lead us, etc.) and then use that false narrative to drive a further wedge between her and Jon, who is upset because he thought she was reckless with all that dragon fire. That is at least trying to say something about how women who seek power are treated. Her emotions got the best of her and now everyone is dead. Her boyfriend broke up with her and she was on her moon-blood and she incinerated a whole city. What we need is a sullen pretty boy who is pretty good with a sword to lead us. So, I guess in closing, as someone who has actually seen the show and not just read other people's recaps and used that as a basis to form an opinion, Dany's heel turn wasn't unexpected, it just wasn't earned.
I have "actually seen the show" - I did specifically say I'd seen five (four and a half?) seasons, so. And I certainly won't argue with anyone being pissed off it's being framed as her being an emotional woman mad at her boyfriend, or that they're trying to give the throne to Jon Fucking Snow or some other ~Man~ because lolz girlz be Mad, or any other complete fuck-ups of character growth or complete bullshit of plot trails. The show's treatment of women and fuckups of character growth and bullshit plot trails is why I stopped watching, and I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't understand why people are pissed off at how it played out.
I said literally nothing about endorsing the way it was done. What I said was that in those seasons of watching, the opinion I formed all my very own is that it was abundantly clear that Dany was determined that every. single. person. in Westeros and Essos would bend the knee if she had to kill them all to get them to do it because anyone who doesn't do what she wants needs to die. What I'm saying is that it wasn't a heel-turn at all - she's always been a caricature of a woman who seeks power. Even if it was carried out in a narratively shitty way, the action itself is not surprising in the slightest.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 15:03:58 GMT -5
These fuckers are getting a whole Star Wars Trilogy, oof.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on May 13, 2019 15:48:05 GMT -5
I wonder if this will manage to top Dexter in terms of terribly done endings/final seasons of "prestige" shows.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 16:56:15 GMT -5
I wonder if this will manage to top Dexter in terms of terribly done endings/final seasons of "prestige" shows. I don't think anything will ever top Dexter, that wasn't just mediocre and somewhat stupid, it was outright horrid.
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on May 13, 2019 18:17:04 GMT -5
I wonder if this will manage to top Dexter in terms of terribly done endings/final seasons of "prestige" shows. I can see Jon Snow becoming a lumberjack, tho. He already has the beard.
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Post by Hachiman on May 13, 2019 20:17:41 GMT -5
I wonder if this will manage to top Dexter in terms of terribly done endings/final seasons of "prestige" shows. I can see Jon Snow becoming a lumberjack, tho. He already has the beard. Oh my god! How about he fakes his death so he doesn't have to rule and goes North of the Wall and helps rebuild Hardhome? We get a shot of him chopping trees, saying hello to Tormund, and then returning to his cabin to sit down and stare directly into the camera. And maybe we get some shots of various characters receiving messages via Raven and going, "Jon?.." The ironic part is that considering the way things are going, this would be an okay ending and would still be better than Dexter.
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on May 14, 2019 12:19:35 GMT -5
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Post by pairesta on May 15, 2019 6:43:14 GMT -5
"Jon will be a wise ruler" -- Varys JON SNOW HAS NEVER MADE A SINGLE WISE DECISION IN BOTH OF HIS ENTIRE LIVES SERIOUSLY VARYS ARE YOU HIGH If Jon makes it to the throne he will feel compelled to immediately abdicate because he had sex with his aunt or some noble shit and then the last surviving Lannister, Trumpos, will take the crown.
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Post by pairesta on May 15, 2019 7:16:13 GMT -5
Welp, I am very sorry in retrospect for my "It's a more character-driven ending, actually" take after the White Walker plotline got tied up. What I was thinking at that point was that we'd check in with Cersei for something more than her sneering out her window and give us a more nuanced ending to the whole story, maybe one not even involving another big battle of armies, and certainly not one involving King's Landing being burned to the ground.
I've tried to not buy into the "this show has sucked since they went past the books" side of things, just because I still was enjoying it (Battle of the Bastards, S6 finale, loot train attack, seeing all these characters back together again or meet at last), but it's pretty persuasive now. It's too abrupt, too tidy.
Two episodes ago we were worried about how many of these characters were going to die horribly at the hands of white walkers. Now a good lot of them are rapists and murderers, complicit in the extermination of a city. And I know, yeah, lots of them were already there. But D&D are trying to have it both ways. They're trying a Martin-like turn of expectations without doing the work. They're chiding us for tuning in to watch big battles when they've given us two this season. They're rubbing our faces in it for caring about characters who were always bad when they gave us them drinking and laughing and fucking together for an episode and a half. I don't buy the subversion of expectations here.
When Robb died, I was upset and mad, yes at the show and Martin. Ditto whatisname from Dorne getting his head popped. But you stop, look at the story beats, and realized it was there all along. Jon's choices have been terrible and led to terrible things, but you see that he was trying to do something for good. It's just not there for Dany for me. She's done things before, yes, but no worse than what any of the other contenders did, and she learned and had good advisors around her. Nothing to me speaks of her deciding to just torch an entire city and everyone in it. The show just needs to get her out of the way for (presumably) Jon to take the throne or what's left of it. There's so many other ways they could have gotten there. I don't get it.
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Post by pairesta on May 15, 2019 7:37:02 GMT -5
A few years ago AVClub did a FOC that was to the effect that, for good and ill, everywhere in GOT-land, women were in charge: Dorne, King's Landing, House Mormont and Tyrell, Winterfell, Dany. Let's see how that's panned out:
Dorne: All women in charge (admittedly because of a bloody coup) captured at sea, tortured, killed offscreen. Men back in charge. House Mormont: Adorable Tiny Mormont crushed by a zombie giant, turned into a zombie. House wiped out. House Tyrell: Defeated offscreen, Lady Tyrell dies after drinking poison Jamie handed her, revealing she murdered his son with her last breath. House wiped out. Winterfell: Couldn't have happened without my rape! King's Landing: Cersei deliberately takes the entire city hostage, banking that that will put her at an advantage. Loses that bet badly, crushed under her own castle (maybe they should have shown the Iron Throne falling on her instead? Too subtle?).
Dany: Played the game. Did things no worse than anyone else vying for the throne. Is the last one left standing against another woman who is objectively The Worst. Then some dude who doesn't even want the job but was related to the old boss shows up. Dany snaps because she can't get The D and people don't think she's pretty and burns thousands of people to death, smoothing the way even more for Empty Suit to take it all. EDIT: And Yara's in charge of a kingdom of rocky islands so barren that their chief export literally is piracy.
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