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Post by chalkdevil π on May 20, 2019 9:14:42 GMT -5
Uh, I guess I'm in the camp that this was fine ending based on where the rest of the season got us. I mean sure, Bran is king I guess because Tyrion, a person people don't like and trust, made a speech about it to all of the remaining 10 nobles in the kingdom.
Still, all these characters we've been with for the last decade are dying this season and I felt next to nothing emotionally. Just crossing the name off a list. And I'm not alone there. I wasn't seeing reaction videos pop up on Twitter of people crying about Jorah. People were pissed Jon didn't say goodbye to Ghost though.
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Post by Powerthirteen on May 20, 2019 9:33:18 GMT -5
So to everyone who thinks Bran being king is dumb, did you want the show to have an ending different than what the ending of the books is going to be?
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on May 20, 2019 9:41:51 GMT -5
So to everyone who thinks Bran being king is dumb, did you want the show to have an ending different than what the ending of the books is going to be? Yes.
The good thing about this ending though was that it saved me reading a really stupid book. I'll just be skipping the next one if it ever comes out.
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Post by Djse (and a Sack of Cats) on May 20, 2019 9:48:32 GMT -5
This season was like the very end of the Black Sabbath song "War Pigs". All of a sudden everything started happening ridiculously quickly for no real reason, other than someone decided the song/show needed to end now.
[ETA: I've been advised this is actually the end of "Luke's Wall". The hand-written insert on the dubbed cassette of my youth just said "War Pigs" and not "War Pigs / Luke's Wall". Old habits die hard.]
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Post by chalkdevil π on May 20, 2019 9:58:08 GMT -5
So to everyone who thinks Bran being king is dumb, did you want the show to have an ending different than what the ending of the books is going to be? My issue isn't necessarily the specific plot point, it's the execution. Bran is just such a weird cypher on the show who only speaks in riddles. It's like choosing a box of fortune cookies to be your king. Now, if it would have been more obvious that Tyrion was choosing Bran as an acceptable to all parties puppet king and he could rule behind the scenes, cool. That would be a motivation. It again just feels like one of those things were they got the ending plot point from GRRM, and had to twist around to get there. I think books will likely allow Bran to have a personality. I don't remember the former Three-Eyed Raven talking like a robot. He certainly didn't on the show. Or at least you will get the POV stuff from him so you can understand his motivations. Thinking on it now, from the show, you could interpret all off the little things he does to sway things in a way that will eventually lead to him as king. Which, could be interesting, but isn't executed in a way that shows that it is. He's the new Little Finger. But he has shown no ambition, so why?
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Post by Ben Grimm on May 20, 2019 10:29:37 GMT -5
So to everyone who thinks Bran being king is dumb, did you want the show to have an ending different than what the ending of the books is going to be? I haven't read the books, but the distinct impression I get is that Bran is a much more significant and well-rounded character in the books than he is in the show, and him becoming king, if it happens, is probably going to seem less completely out of left field. At the same time, the books are going to have a different ending in any case, because of the approximately nine million characters and plot threads from the books that aren't in the show. I think it's possible something will happen that couldn't have happened on the show, like Young Griff/fAegon becoming King. And that's assuming the books ever do get finished. One of the constant problems of the last couple seasons have been that things happen with little-to-no development or setup, like it's a bullet-point version of the show, or an extremely long "previously on" segment. It's like the showrunners are filming what Martin told them was going to happen (possibly with some changes due to the changes made earlier) without bothering in to fill in any transition material.
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on May 20, 2019 10:39:03 GMT -5
So to everyone who thinks Bran being king is dumb, did you want the show to have an ending different than what the ending of the books is going to be? I haven't read the books, but the distinct impression I get is that Bran is a much more significant and well-rounded character in the books than he is in the show, and him becoming king, if it happens, is probably going to seem less completely out of left field. At the same time, the books are going to have a different ending in any case, because of the approximately nine million characters and plot threads from the books that aren't in the show. I think it's possible something will happen that couldn't have happened on the show, like Young Griff/fAegon becoming King. And that's assuming the books ever do get finished. One of the constant problems of the last couple seasons have been that things happen with little-to-no development or setup, like it's a bullet-point version of the show, or an extremely long "previously on" segment. It's like the showrunners are filming what Martin told them was going to happen (possibly with some changes due to the changes made earlier) without bothering in to fill in any transition material. I've said before and will reiterate here: this show is the best evidence why GRRM hasn't finished the books. There are obviously so many threads to untangle that B&W were just kind of "eh, fuck it, let's just run a highlight reel".
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 10:39:05 GMT -5
So to everyone who thinks Bran being king is dumb, did you want the show to have an ending different than what the ending of the books is going to be? I haven't read the books, but the distinct impression I get is that Bran is a much more significant and well-rounded character in the books than he is in the show, and him becoming king, if it happens, is probably going to seem less completely out of left field. At the same time, the books are going to have a different ending in any case, because of the approximately nine million characters and plot threads from the books that aren't in the show. I think it's possible something will happen that couldn't have happened on the show, like Young Griff/fAegon becoming King. And that's assuming the books ever do get finished. One of the constant problems of the last couple seasons have been that things happen with little-to-no development or setup, like it's a bullet-point version of the show, or an extremely long "previously on" segment. It's like the showrunners are filming what Martin told them was going to happen (possibly with some changes due to the changes made earlier) without bothering in to fill in any transition material. It boggles my mind that HBO was willing to fork over anything D&D could have asked for, but they decided a shortened season was fine to finish things off. They could have gone 10 seasons if they wanted to. A lot of this stuff from the outside looking in is that D&D just wanted to be finished with the show and got lazy about it, which could explain not bothering to fill in any transition material. Especially not bothering with fake Aegon(?) because he was only just introduced in the last published book, and would have had to do a lot of the legwork on where that went. Just looking back though, it would fill in a lot of things, it would make more sense for Dany to "go mad" if there was some fake Targaryan(there is a theory that Young Griff is a Targaryan bastard, so not really fake, just not Aegon) that went to Westeros and the people flocked to him, also, Jon actually being Aegon would have a more valid reason for being a thing, since that would prove fake Aegon(?) wrong. Varys' character would also be serviced better, because he would be counseling fake Aegon(?) rather than Dany. That would all be tough to pull off though, because they literally had only the beginning of that plotline if they chose to go that way.
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Post by ganews on May 20, 2019 10:51:48 GMT -5
My main change to the show, other than a decent death scene for Cersei and Jamie, is to have several more seasons to do everything. But hell, it's been on for eight seasons/nine years, and people want to move on with their lives. Most of the top cast members have been doing other movies even if they weren't before the show. Peter Dinklage probably wants to shave.
That said: Is Bran immortal or what? The previous Three-eyed Raven stayed put for 1000 years until a tree grew through him. God Emperor Dune?
Having a council of lords choose the king could almost be seen as a good idea, given the trouble with succession and terrible children from the past couple hundred years. If the nominal king is just an adviser to the real ruler anyway, Bran is theoretically the perfect advisor/king.
If Bran is super-important as the seer of all things, making him the king of a city with no army to protect it (the Unsullied left, northmen got their own kingdom) puts a fat target on his back. As soon as the country re-assembles itself and someone gets some power, Kings Landing will be attacked again.
Is the Three-eyed Raven actually important though? No one ever met the previous guy. The Citadel thinks they have a monopoly on all knowledge. The threat of the Long Night is gone. The roll has as much purpose now as the Lord of Light.
The show continues to enforce the idea that the best ruler is someone who isn't interested in the job. This is a corrosive idea.
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Post by songstarliner on May 20, 2019 11:00:16 GMT -5
Did everyone catch that the doofus sitting next to Unnamed Dornish Noble was Robin Arryn? I didn't, but I had a good laugh when I read about it today. What's he even been doing for the past few years? It's like the Vale ceased to exist the moment Littlefinger and Sansa rode away from it.
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on May 20, 2019 11:04:57 GMT -5
Still the best scene from GOT
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Post by patbat on May 20, 2019 11:25:12 GMT -5
I know this is the non-book-reading thread, but I'd love to get input from people who are upset on two data points: A) If you have still not read the books yet and A(1)) if your problem is specifically with what happened (rather than with how it was presented), then A(1.a)) how should this final season have gone?
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Post by Powerthirteen on May 20, 2019 11:32:27 GMT -5
We all stan a well-hydrated Maester
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on May 20, 2019 11:42:37 GMT -5
Did everyone catch that the doofus sitting next to Unnamed Dornish Noble was Robin Arryn? I didn't, but I had a good laugh when I read about it today. What's he even been doing for the past few years? It's like the Vale ceased to exist the moment Littlefinger and Sansa rode away from it. We caught on about halfway through and yeah, he grew up pretty good there.
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Post by Powerthirteen on May 20, 2019 11:59:01 GMT -5
Also:
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Post by liebkartoffel on May 20, 2019 13:21:25 GMT -5
So to everyone who thinks Bran being king is dumb, did you want the show to have an ending different than what the ending of the books is going to be? To quote myself:
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on May 20, 2019 15:05:57 GMT -5
Grey Worm kind of annoyed me over the past couple of episodes too. "I am FILLED WITH RAGE AND HATE but will only kill if my queen actually says to, so these guys who probably didn't need to die are going to die because Dany said so, but I can't kill Jon Snow even tho he killed Dany 'cause Dany wasn't there to tell me to kill him. Also I'm going to make RAGE FACES at Tyrion but also not do anything."
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Post by Mr. Greene's October Surprise on May 20, 2019 16:21:12 GMT -5
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Post by πͺ silly buns on May 20, 2019 18:35:15 GMT -5
Guess its good that the top people in charge did not want the power and are not quick to war.
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Post by πͺ silly buns on May 20, 2019 18:39:57 GMT -5
I know this is the non-book-reading thread, but I'd love to get input from people who are upset on two data points: A) If you have still not read the books yet and A(1)) if your problem is specifically with what happened (rather than with how it was presented), then A(1.a)) how should this final season have gone? I was hoping Sansa, Jon, and Dani would realize they should do something different and be a committee with no head ruler. Everyone shares in ths decision making. But I guess not.
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Post by πͺ silly buns on May 20, 2019 18:49:03 GMT -5
Funniest comment I saw on twitter The second funniest being that the dragon melted the chair so it would be wheelchair accessible.
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Post by sarapen on May 20, 2019 20:38:56 GMT -5
As finales go it was no final episode of Seinfeld.
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Post by Nudeviking on May 20, 2019 20:55:55 GMT -5
As finales go it was no final episode of Seinfeld. It is incredibly hard to top the best series finale of all the times.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on May 20, 2019 23:17:58 GMT -5
Funniest comment I saw on twitter The second funniest being that the dragon melted the chair so it would be wheelchair accessible. I mean, it is both the smartest and stupidest dragon in the world, right? Because it's the only living dragon in the world at this point.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on May 20, 2019 23:40:25 GMT -5
What would y'all's reactions have been if, after Jonathan Snow murdered his war criminal cousin, Robert Baratheon had shown up and said "Guess what, faked my own death!" and everyone had been like "Alright, well, I mean, I guess that makes you King again," and the series had ended with this restoration of the status quo?
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Post by Hachiman on May 21, 2019 3:24:49 GMT -5
There was just a lot I didn't like about this whole season. It was illogical, incongruous, and inconsistent. I had way more written, but its not worth it.
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Post by sarapen on May 21, 2019 7:31:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 7:36:26 GMT -5
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Post by Hachiman on May 21, 2019 8:57:39 GMT -5
I can see Jon Snow becoming a lumberjack, tho. He already has the beard. Oh my god! How about he fakes his death so he doesn't have to rule and goes North of the Wall and helps rebuild Hardhome? We get a shot of him chopping trees, saying hello to Tormund, and then returning to his cabinΒ to sit down and stare directly into the camera.Β And maybe we get some shots of various characters receiving messages via Raven and going, "Jon?.." The ironic part is that considering the way things are going, this would be an okay ending and would still be better than Dexter.Β Holy crap! I was being sarcastic and was almost right! We were this close to another lumberjack ending!
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Post by Powerthirteen on May 21, 2019 10:43:21 GMT -5
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