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Post by Carade on Apr 10, 2015 2:56:00 GMT -5
Just watched the first episode of the new Daredevil show on the Netflix. I like it a whole lot so far. I especially like how Murdock falls down a lot when fighting (for serious). I'll post more detailed thoughts when I'm not so sleepy.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Apr 10, 2015 6:11:20 GMT -5
I saw the first three episodes (have some things to do so took a break) it's pretty Batman thus far. WHERE IS HE?
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Post by Carade on Apr 10, 2015 17:18:11 GMT -5
It's really nice seeing a Marvel Cinematic Universe entry where countries/planets/galaxies aren't at risk. Diggin' it. Also Deborah Ann Woll is a very pretty lady.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Apr 10, 2015 17:27:47 GMT -5
Carade True (and this feels like easily the biggest departure the MCU has done in terms of content and tone) but the repeated references to Hell's Kirchen as a city confuse me, since I was under the impression it was part of New York. What'a up with that?
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Post by Carade on Apr 10, 2015 17:34:31 GMT -5
Carade True (and this feels like easily the biggest departure the MCU has done in terms of content and tone) but the repeated references to Hell's Kirchen as a city confuse me, since I was under the impression it was part of New York. What'a up with that? Hell's Kitchen is a neighborhood in New York City.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Apr 10, 2015 17:48:38 GMT -5
Right, that's what makes the turn of phrase so odd.
Anyway while many reviewers have claimed the series used the Avengers as an excuse to explain why its Hell's Kitchen is not at all like the real place, the vague references to 'the Incident' aren't concretely attributed to anything more than a plunge in retail values and an aid effort that went cockeyed. The series continually references to the idea that Hell's Kitchen has always been this den of corruption, most explicit with the characters who have history here.
Anyway ten episodes in, it's been a pretty good watch. Vincent D'Onofrio wrests the position of best Marvel villain with the two most beautiful words in the English language: Default. (I kid, Kyle MacLachlan is his major competition here.)
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Apr 10, 2015 18:15:38 GMT -5
Halfway in and it's pretty great so far. So much more personality to it than AoS.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Apr 10, 2015 18:53:56 GMT -5
Superb Owl 🦉 It almost feels unfair to compare it to AoS, whose bland network lighting hasn't a patch on Daredevil's moody gloom. Also just coming off another intense episode, only two to go. I have a hunch they will be a trip.
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Post by Carade on Apr 10, 2015 20:18:05 GMT -5
I'm only partway through episode 4. Man, having Daredevil be the first superhero for this TV branch of the Marvel universe was a brilliant idea. They get to shoot the show in a lot of darkness and shadows which goes a long way to hiding the TV budget. My only real complaint is that I hope that they do something cool with Rosario Dawson. Like, they got Rosario Dawson to be a part of the MCU. It's be a shame if her only role was to be a damsel in distress for Daredevil.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Apr 10, 2015 22:03:06 GMT -5
Superb Owl 🦉 It almost feels unfair to compare it to AoS, whose bland network lighting hasn't a patch on Daredevil's moody gloom. Also just coming off another intense episode, only two to go. I have a hunch they will be a trip. To me it really drove home just how much AoS's main goal is just to be a synergistic table setter for the movies. It's not like the budgets can be that much more for these Netflix series. AoS could have a bit more style if that was one of their main goals.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Apr 10, 2015 22:05:15 GMT -5
I'm only partway through episode 4. Man, having Daredevil be the first superhero for this TV branch of the Marvel universe was a brilliant idea. They get to shoot the show in a lot of darkness and shadows which goes a long way to hiding the TV budget. My only real complaint is that I hope that they do something cool with Rosario Dawson. Like, they got Rosario Dawson to be a part of the MCU. It's be a shame if her only role was to be a damsel in distress for Daredevil. What ep does she show up in, the second one? At the midpoint it feels like they are giving her stuff to do.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Apr 10, 2015 22:17:22 GMT -5
Well I finished Daredevil. I'd agree, sans spoilers, the role is a bit of a waste of Rosario Dawson, because you know she could easily do some heavy lifting in action scenes but she's given a relatively passive character. Anyway I really rather enjoyed this. I can't say I'm thrilled with the Daredevil costume though I imagine fans of the character will enjoy it, I rather liked his whole Visas Marr As A Man getup. But that's a minor point; Charlie Cox was dependably good as Matt Murdock, Vincent D'Onofrio was Tony Soprano all bulked out even further (emotionally vulnerable and cathartically violent - again, the best villain this brand has produced), and most of the action sequences are very good for television as well as the gloomy lighting and so on. This said the series does tend, like other Netflix shows, to take a little too much advantage of the generous laxity of editing Netflix affords. Scenes that felt like they were paced for five minutes taking seven minutes - never major, but just a little uneven, somehow easier to forgive in a show like Bloodline, which was content to lazily swelter in the Bayou. There's also a plot thread that sort of exists as either fanservice or setup for later seasons/other Marvel-Netflix ventures that feel a little meandering. And pretty much any romantic plotting or subtext is in a real danger of the show just kinda forgetting about it given an episode or two, visibly course correcting possible matches based on given cast (with one notable exception.) And on Daredevil versus Agents of Shield again: Synergy is very much a huge part of what holds the latter back. Shield is constantly referencing and crossing over with elements from the movies, but none of what it does with these plots is allowed to unfold in a way that would ever impact the movies - blunting a little their use of Hydra, the Inhumans, and, notoriously, Shield itself in season one. Daredevil's relationship with the MCU could probably be cut down to a montage of under one minute. It's characters and stories are all unique to the series, and it tells a complete narrative with beginning, middle and end and the rest of it. It could be a series that had nothing to do with any interconnected universe, but obviously it will - but far more than Shield it feels like it's carved out a new subset of this franchise, like it's the Iron Man equivalent for the Netflix brand shows (all of which, I think, involve New York or at any rate East Coast based characters.) Right now one spoiler comment. This is a spoiler for the very end of the series but actually not that major a spoiler. I'm surprised the last episode didn't have an after credits sequence. They've become an integral part of the film franchise, Shield uses them fairly regularly. I was pretty much expecting after the last episode Jessica Jones would show up or there'd be another similar tease.
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Post by Carade on Apr 10, 2015 22:27:06 GMT -5
I'm only partway through episode 4. Man, having Daredevil be the first superhero for this TV branch of the Marvel universe was a brilliant idea. They get to shoot the show in a lot of darkness and shadows which goes a long way to hiding the TV budget. My only real complaint is that I hope that they do something cool with Rosario Dawson. Like, they got Rosario Dawson to be a part of the MCU. It's be a shame if her only role was to be a damsel in distress for Daredevil. What ep does she show up in, the second one? At the midpoint it feels like they are giving her stuff to do. She shows up in the third episode and I'm on the sixth, and so far the only thing she's done is: patch up Matt and get kidnapped and beaten up. I do hope she'll get more to do though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 0:09:22 GMT -5
does Daredevil have actual superpowers?
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Post by Carade on Apr 11, 2015 0:36:04 GMT -5
does Daredevil have actual superpowers? Kinda sorta. He's blind but he's got super heightened other senses. Also, I'm at episode 8 right now. And in the scene where Matt and Urich talk in the rain Charlie Cox's American accent gets MAD sketchy.
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Post by Shipwreck on Apr 11, 2015 12:14:01 GMT -5
I'm five episodes in and I'm loving it. This is already my favorite version of the Kingpin anywhere. I love the brutal, kinetic feel of the fights. I also appreciate that as the story goes on, Daredevil is getting better at what he does. It's great that he takes a bit of an ass kicking in each fight.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 12:43:17 GMT -5
I'm five episodes in and I'm loving it. This is already my favorite version of the Kingpin anywhere. I love the brutal, kinetic feel of the fights. I also appreciate that as the story goes on, Daredevil is getting better at what he does. It's great that he takes a bit of an ass kicking in each fight. Among the many things this series shares in common with Nolan's Batman movies is that the villain is much, much more interesting and enjoyable to watch than the hero
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 12:43:47 GMT -5
does Daredevil have actual superpowers? Kinda sorta. He's blind but he's got super heightened other senses. Also, I'm at episode 8 right now. And in the scene where Matt and Urich talk in the rain Charlie Cox's American accent gets MAD sketchy. "super-heightened" to a superhuman level? edit: i'm closer to the end of the season now and he strongly implies that the chemicals gave him super-senses, although the show hasn't yet concerned itself with the whys or hows
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Apr 11, 2015 14:10:17 GMT -5
@greyhoundzero He can smell cologne in another room and determine if you're lying based on hearing your heartbeat without getting anywhere near you and it all functions as a second sight to the point he knows which women are hot.
So yes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 15:45:48 GMT -5
I'm curious if any of you are readers of the Daredevil comics and how the show compares to them? I haven't read them in quite some time but even then, Daredevil was mostly cut off from the rest of the other superheroes, barring the occasional visit from Spiderman or the Punisher. Frank Miller's various runs on the book were all far more adult oriented than most of the teen fare that was being put out in nearly every other Marvel comic of the day. I'm interested if this compares well to any of that?
Daredevil was always portrayed as having the physical abilities of a top level athlete (but nothing superhuman) along with his extremely heightened senses, other than being blind. Being limited to human physical abilities really limited the villains and other superheroes he could rub shoulders with as he'd get his ass kicked which was kind of cool and made him far more relatable than most other comics characters.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Apr 11, 2015 16:38:56 GMT -5
@sloth I've not read the comics but it sounds like you described the show pretty well - it's more mature than any of the other MCU titles, it's darker and more adult (its cultural touchstones are more Serpico than Harry Potter, as far as name-drops go) Daredevil's abilities are very grounded and he can get wounded and his ass kicked - a lot - in the course of any given fight (his relationship with Rosario Dawson's character really comes down to how often he needs medical attention, which is a lot) and the series feels more closed off from the rest of the MCU than any other title in that there are no crossovers and only a few slight references to the Avengers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 17:29:09 GMT -5
I've read the summary of the TV series and it looks like they may have lifted nearly everything from Frank Miller's second stint on the comics series called "Born Again", which was considered one of the highlights of the Daredevil series. it would be a great choice for a story but it starts well into the Daredevil saga and creates a situation that would be difficult to incorporate what came before (including Miller's first groundbreaking stint on the series) which is sort of a shame.
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Post by silentspy on Apr 11, 2015 21:32:44 GMT -5
I just finished the season.
My grades are: 1. B+ 2. A- 3. B+ 4. B+ 5. A- 6. A 7. B+ 8. A- * 9. A 10. A- * 11. A- 12. B 13. A-
* both of these really tether on an A for me since the main focus is high-A material, but some other parts lay more flat (comparatively).
Overall, I give the season an A-.
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Post by sarapen on Apr 13, 2015 9:35:01 GMT -5
I'm curious if any of you are readers of the Daredevil comics and how the show compares to them? I haven't read them in quite some time but even then, Daredevil was mostly cut off from the rest of the other superheroes, barring the occasional visit from Spiderman or the Punisher. Frank Miller's various runs on the book were all far more adult oriented than most of the teen fare that was being put out in nearly every other Marvel comic of the day. I'm interested if this compares well to any of that? Daredevil was always portrayed as having the physical abilities of a top level athlete (but nothing superhuman) along with his extremely heightened senses, other than being blind. Being limited to human physical abilities really limited the villains and other superheroes he could rub shoulders with as he'd get his ass kicked which was kind of cool and made him far more relatable than most other comics characters. I was sick this weekend so I watched all of Daredevil in one day. I'm not a huge fan of DD but I've read a bunch of the comics and I agree with Douay-Rheims-Challoner that the show somehow translated the sensibility of the comics to TV. The consequences of living in a world with superheroes is an unspoken concern for the show and for its characters. It's not quite The Authority in questioning the ability of weirdos in circus costumes to enact positive social changes through fisticuffs, but at times the show kind of hinted in that direction. I was somewhat surprised at the very oblique appearance of mystical Oriental hoodoo. I'd thought that the show was going to be completely grounded in the street level stuff and would be just about DD versus the Kingpin. By the way, Wilson Fisk is never called Kingpin in the show, nor is Leland Owlsley ever referred to as The Owl. Anyway, I assume that this Orientalism is for setting up the Iron Fist kung fu show that's coming later. Perhaps we'll soon see the Seven Capital Cities of Heaven. Finally, I have to wonder just how much Marvel's New York is like the one of our world. The battle in the Avengers couldn't have turned present-day Clinton to this show's Hell's Kitchen no matter how badly the reconstruction was mismanaged. The widespread police corruption, at the very least, couldn't have happened in just a couple of years (one of the cops says 18 months). The only explanation I can come up with is that Fisk was already entwined in the fabric of the city long before aliens invaded. Anyway, I did like the show. I almost never binge watch, so when I do, it's because a show is exactly on my wavelength. If this is what Netflix's Daredevil is like, then I'm looking forward to the rest of the superhero shows that are coming. Personally, it's Jessica Jones that I'm most interested in.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Apr 13, 2015 9:38:07 GMT -5
sarapen In spite of people thinking the Avengers are responsible for Hell's Kitchen's present state, it's pretty clear that's not the case - characters like Fisk and Murdock speak of the town always being this way; the only thing the Incident definitely caused was a freefall in the retail market that Fisk's cronies profited from. And Jessica Jones is also the show I'm most interested in going forward. As far as crossovers go... I'm guessing the magical ninja stuff is probably setting up whoever the Bad Guy is going to be in the Defenders miniseries. I could swear that the unseen antagonist was voiced by Keith David.
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Post by tollwaytroll on Apr 13, 2015 9:44:38 GMT -5
I'm about halfway through and really liking it so far. My two main complaints are a) it's a little violent for my taste and b) I do. not. care. about any of these characters as children.
I find it a little over-the-top at some points but at least it manages to balance that or maybe control it, unlike Agents of SHIELD.
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Post by sarapen on Apr 13, 2015 9:55:57 GMT -5
sarapen In spite of people thinking the Avengers are responsible for Hell's Kitchen's present state, it's pretty clear that's not the case - characters like Fisk and Murdock speak of the town always being this way; the only thing the Incident definitely caused was a freefall in the retail market that Fisk's cronies profited from. And Jessica Jones is also the show I'm most interested in going forward. As far as crossovers go... I'm guessing the magical ninja stuff is probably setting up whoever the Bad Guy is going to be in the Defenders miniseries. I could swear that the unseen antagonist was voiced by Keith David. Yes, I also think that was Keith David's voice. The credits list the actor as Jasson Finney, who I assume is playing the body like David Prowse as Darth Vader. By the way, the credits name that character as Stone, which I know is meaningless to you but gives certain hints about where future storylines are going to readers of DD. And I forgot to mention it but Matt Murdock's actor is English and I find that his American accent gets odd at times. It's especially noticeable when he has to talk at length. Actually the actor is the platonic ideal of English-ness, I'm looking at his IMDB page and Charlie Cox is descended from two different baronets, one earl, and one governor of colonial New York.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Apr 13, 2015 10:01:05 GMT -5
Charlie Cox played an IRA-man in Boardwalk Empire and his accent was a little questionable there too, so I feel ya, sarapen.
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Post by sarapen on Apr 13, 2015 10:06:41 GMT -5
Charlie Cox played an IRA-man in Boardwalk Empire and his accent was a little questionable there too, so I feel ya, sarapen. What I find hilarious is that there's a Telegraph review of the show calling Cox's American accent "pitch perfect".
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Post by tollwaytroll on Apr 13, 2015 10:22:51 GMT -5
Charlie Cox played an IRA-man in Boardwalk Empire and his accent was a little questionable there too, so I feel ya, sarapen. What I find hilarious is that there's a Telegraph review of the show calling Cox's American accent "pitch perfect". blind character, deaf reviewer
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