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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jan 20, 2016 11:21:02 GMT -5
Essentially it is not a map to Luke, but one that even Vader was working on. A map to the first Jedi temple. R2D2 has the same portion of the map that the First Order does. This is either because he hacked into the Death Star in IV or because Luke gave it to him. Either together or independently Luke and Lor San Tekka (force church historian) figure out the last bit. Luke goes off not in real exile but to guard the temple against the Knights of Ren. R2D2 wakes up because Rey shows up. Abrams has said that R2D2's part of the map is something he downloaded from the Death Star and he turned on because BB8 talked to him saying he has the rest of the map; for what these observations are worth. I've been meaning to reply to this thread for a while, on this topic. Kylo Ren's redemption will obviously be a big part of the next two movies. And probably a redemption through death. When Adam Driver blithely said that yes, Kylo Ren dies when asked the question in his Saturday Night Light monologue, he of course had to amend it by saying they'd then give him sunglasses to make it look like he was still alive - otherwise it would have looked too much like a probably 'true' spoiler. The key officer quickly elevated there is Vader himself. The only reason he doesn't strangle Motti to death is because Tarkin commands him to release the Admiral. In the first film Vader is clearly subordinate to Tarkin, and also has to come up with excuses for his behaviour to placate the Imperial Senate (he invents a cover story about what happened to Leia's ship on the fly - "Send a distress signal and then inform the Senate that all aboard were killed!") - but the Senate is dissolved during the film and Tarkin is killed by the end of it. The only thing under his apparent direct command is his single star destroyer - impressive, but notably smaller than the Death Star. By Empire Strikes Back, Vader has an entire fleet of star destroyers at his disposal, and no oversight of any kind beyond a direct line to the Emperor. He has a much freer hand to operate and his more reckless brutality reflects that, I think.
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Post by nowimnothing on Jan 20, 2016 13:30:50 GMT -5
Abrams has said that R2D2's part of the map is something he downloaded from the Death Star and he turned on because BB8 talked to him saying he has the rest of the map; for what these observations are worth. Of course that still does not explain why R2D2 does not wake up the first time BB8 is there. Other than that the movie would have been a lot shorter.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jan 20, 2016 13:32:52 GMT -5
nowimnothing Abrams said it was because he only does when BB8 talks to him, also he's old, or something. I think he just has a bad motivator.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 13:40:56 GMT -5
nowimnothing Abrams said it was because he only does when BB8 talks to him, also he's old, or something. I think he just has a bad motivator. Having seen the movie twice now, I'm trying to remember...but BB8 uncovered R2 before the final battle, right? Didn't they have the map piece then? I mean, sure, they needed to go blow up the Starkiller Base, but did it take R2 several days to wake up after BB told him or what? Still very shaky. Because the way it was filmed, R2 just "woke up" at random after the battle.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jan 20, 2016 13:42:13 GMT -5
ABz B👹anaz I think the idea is BB8 actually tells R2D2 about his map piece only at the last moment. I'm not sure why he waits that long.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 13:54:39 GMT -5
ABz B👹anaz I think the idea is BB8 actually tells R2D2 about his map piece only at the last moment. I'm not sure why he waits that long. Well, if that IS the reason, it would make sense. "We don't know what will wake this guy up from his coma, maybe an important word or sentence?" - but it should have been better communicated in the film itself.
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Post by Hawkguy on Jan 20, 2016 14:00:17 GMT -5
ABz B👹anaz I think the idea is BB8 actually tells R2D2 about his map piece only at the last moment. I'm not sure why he waits that long. Well, if that IS the reason, it would make sense. "We don't know what will wake this guy up from his coma, maybe an important word or sentence?" - but it should have been better communicated in the film itself. Yea and supposedly it takes so long cause he's old which, to be fair, he's pretty old
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Jan 20, 2016 14:08:04 GMT -5
Well, if that IS the reason, it would make sense. "We don't know what will wake this guy up from his coma, maybe an important word or sentence?" - but it should have been better communicated in the film itself. Yea and supposedly it takes so long cause he's old which, to be fair, he's pretty old Yea, him and C-3PO are basically 70 year old antiques at this point, aren't they?
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on Jan 20, 2016 14:34:47 GMT -5
Democracy is the best political system we have, but that doesn't mean it isn't flawed (people are stupid). I don't agree with David Brin.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 15:55:57 GMT -5
The key officer quickly elevated there is Vader himself. The only reason he doesn't strangle Motti to death is because Tarkin commands him to release the Admiral. In the first film Vader is clearly subordinate to Tarkin, and also has to come up with excuses for his behaviour to placate the Imperial Senate (he invents a cover story about what happened to Leia's ship on the fly - "Send a distress signal and then inform the Senate that all aboard were killed!") - but the Senate is dissolved during the film and Tarkin is killed by the end of it. The only thing under his apparent direct command is his single star destroyer - impressive, but notably smaller than the Death Star. By Empire Strikes Back, Vader has an entire fleet of star destroyers at his disposal, and no oversight of any kind beyond a direct line to the Emperor. He has a much freer hand to operate and his more reckless brutality reflects that, I think. This thread had strayed from galactic geopolitics and organizational power structures for far, far too long. Saw it for the third time last night with some friends that hadn't been yet. Every flaw with the movie gets less irksome with each viewing EXCEPT JJ's shitty sense of interstellar geography. Also I really hope Kylo remembered to grab his helmet off of that walkway.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jan 20, 2016 15:58:04 GMT -5
This thread had strayed from galactic geopolitics and organizational power structures for far, far too long. Princess Leia is gonna appear in the next episode of Star Wars: Rebels and according to the showrunner he's going to emphasize she's still technically part of the Empire - so yeah, hold on to your hats, we're getting some hot implied Imperial Senate action.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jan 20, 2016 16:04:48 GMT -5
This thread had strayed from galactic geopolitics and organizational power structures for far, far too long. Princess Leia is gonna appear in the next episode of Star Wars: Rebels and according to the showrunner he's going to emphasize she's still technically part of the Empire - so yeah, hold on to your hats, we're getting some hot implied Imperial Senate action. Imperial Senator Packwood shows up?
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Jan 20, 2016 16:07:15 GMT -5
Douay-Rheims-Challoner I would assume the other factor in Vader's rise to power between ANH and ESB is Palpatine realizing, "Oh shit, he's going to connect the dots and realize I completely lied about his child! I need to start finding ways to keep Vader placated."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 18:24:22 GMT -5
Princess Leia is gonna appear in the next episode of Star Wars: Rebels and according to the showrunner he's going to emphasize she's still technically part of the Empire - so yeah, hold on to your hats, we're getting some hot implied Imperial Senate action. Imperial Senator Packwood shows up? BOW BOW BOW CHICK-A-WOW CHICK-A-WOW
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Jan 20, 2016 18:27:20 GMT -5
Yea and supposedly it takes so long cause he's old which, to be fair, he's pretty old Yea, him and C-3PO are basically 70 year old antiques at this point, aren't they? So are B-52s, but we're still flying them.
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Post by Hawkguy on Jan 21, 2016 8:31:34 GMT -5
Douay-Rheims-Challoner I would assume the other factor in Vader's rise to power between ANH and ESB is Palpatine realizing, "Oh shit, he's going to connect the dots and realize I completely lied about his child! I need to start finding ways to keep Vader placated." This time period is probably going to be covered throughout the current Vader comic. It starts with Vader not in very high standing following ANH
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Jan 21, 2016 9:51:49 GMT -5
Douay-Rheims-Challoner I would assume the other factor in Vader's rise to power between ANH and ESB is Palpatine realizing, "Oh shit, he's going to connect the dots and realize I completely lied about his child! I need to start finding ways to keep Vader placated." This time period is probably going to be covered throughout the current Vader comic. Â It starts with Vader not in very high standing following ANH Yea, I just read the first trade volume of that. Fun stuff!
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Jan 24, 2016 4:41:21 GMT -5
Had a strange thought re: Kylo Ren today. What if being a shit Darth Vader is just a stop along the way, and he just has it in his head that he has to pass through the Dark Side to fully master the Force? What if Anakin, having started as a light-side Jedi, then becoming a Sith, and then killing the Emperor wasn't turning back to the light side, but moving to another level altogether and that's what Kylo Ren is chasing? I dunno. Just an idea. It's not really in the spirit of the story.
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Post by nowimnothing on Jan 26, 2016 14:11:32 GMT -5
Had a strange thought re: Kylo Ren today. What if being a shit Darth Vader is just a stop along the way, and he just has it in his head that he has to pass through the Dark Side to fully master the Force? What if Anakin, having started as a light-side Jedi, then becoming a Sith, and then killing the Emperor wasn't turning back to the light side, but moving to another level altogether and that's what Kylo Ren is chasing? I dunno. Just an idea. It's not really in the spirit of the story. Maybe not in that exact way, but I do think there will be something about using both the light and dark sides of the force.
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Post by King Charles’s Butterfly on Jan 26, 2016 21:27:24 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s what Kylo had in mind, but I think Yuri Petrovitch is right about his arc over the next couple of films.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jan 27, 2016 13:38:33 GMT -5
Yuri Petrovitch's idea mirrors some of the stuff development for Force Awakens actually toyed with - at one point, they wanted Anakin Skywalker's ghost to appear as Anakin and Vader, shifting between both. Add to this Kylo Ren doesn't just idolize Vader - he knows how Vader's story ends. Before when we only had trailers to go on I assumed he may not have done - Vader's redemption was a moment seen basically only by Luke, who may have not gone around giving interviews telling the universe about it; but it's certainly something he would have told his own disciples, as Kylo once was. (Added to this the canon-books have Snoke and Kylo Ren discussing Vader's failure in 'sentiment', and it seems to be an end both are aware of.) In fact let's consider the quote in full, from Iain McCaig, Force Awakens concept artist: So not only were they toying with the idea of Anakin having a duality, they at least considered Luke having one as well - and if that's still true, Kylo may have followed the reasoning of his own teacher to ends Luke never anticipated. Or none of it may be, but still; at the very least whether or not Kylo can or should be redeemed is likely to come up over the next two Episode films.
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Post by Hawkguy on Feb 1, 2016 10:55:42 GMT -5
ooo according to a Lego teaser image at a toy fair this weekend, the name Rogue One might not just be the name of the team/team member but also possibly be Rogue I, a Firespray class ship ala Slave I
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Post by Ben Grimm on Feb 18, 2016 11:23:22 GMT -5
Given that Peter Mayhew has been teasing some big announcement, I'm guessing original cut Blu-Rays are coming.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Feb 20, 2016 1:28:02 GMT -5
Is that even legal? Doesn't FOX own the rights?
Please say this is happening! I've been refusing to buy the original trilogy on blu-ray because they aren't the original version of the film.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Feb 20, 2016 8:41:18 GMT -5
Is that even legal? Doesn't FOX own the rights? Please say this is happening! I've been refusing to buy the original trilogy on blu-ray because they aren't the original version of the film. The streaming is illegal as any other stream. But if these random people can get hold of a clean film copy, I'm sure Disney//Fox/Lucasfilm can. Without George saying no, it was inevitable anyway.
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Post by nowimnothing on Feb 21, 2016 5:31:25 GMT -5
Is that even legal? Doesn't FOX own the rights? Please say this is happening! I've been refusing to buy the original trilogy on blu-ray because they aren't the original version of the film. The Harmy despecialized editions are really good. If you do not have a source, I could find a way to hook you up. I have bought Star Wars so many times in the theater, on VHS, DVD and blu-ray that I don't feel the least twinge of guilt.
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on Mar 17, 2016 9:33:07 GMT -5
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 22, 2016 1:39:45 GMT -5
Sometimes people have way too much fun with Twitter parody accounts. This Twitter exchange got better and better as it went:
And then.... Checkmate:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 9:06:42 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAaaaaoh man, my first actual LOL of the day, thanks!
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