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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Feb 12, 2015 5:11:56 GMT -5
Dellarigg I definitely expected this to have more comedy, yeah. One of my favourite scenes in these two episodes is just Saul mounting a defense of three young adults who had sex with a severed head.
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Post by Dellarigg on Feb 12, 2015 5:35:19 GMT -5
Dellarigg I definitely expected this to have more comedy, yeah. One of my favourite scenes in these two episodes is just Saul mounting a defense of three young adults who had sex with a severed head. They've got Bob Odenkirk and Michael McKean - there better be more comedy, or I'll know the reason why. |
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Feb 12, 2015 5:41:19 GMT -5
Dellarigg Michael McKean was pretty funny in the X-Files/Lone Gunmen episodes he was in, and IIRC most of those were written by Vince Gilligan, and given how Bryan Cranston's X-Files role influenced his casting... anyway I imagine it'd come up?
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Post by dboonsghost on Feb 15, 2015 0:41:59 GMT -5
how much tension can there be if we know Saul survive? I dunno, about as much tension as there was even when we knew Walt was going to die? |
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Post by Dellarigg on Feb 15, 2015 4:03:52 GMT -5
how much tension can there be if we know Saul survive? I dunno, about as much tension as there was even when we knew Walt was going to die? For me, the tension wasn't to do with Walt's death - it was who around him was going to die. Which paid off pretty well. There was also the tension of him being exposed, and the tension of seeing how far down he was going to get. Whatever happens to Saul, we know he gets a better office out of it, at least. (Unless they do something with black-and-white Saul.) |
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Post by pairesta on Feb 17, 2015 10:49:57 GMT -5
I've liked both episodes so far (haven't seen last night's yet).
Has there been any hints from the showrunners about what the general arc of the show is going to be? Do they have an endpoint in mind, like with Walt, or is this going to be more open-ended? Because while I like this prequel stuff so far, I think there's just as much fun to be had with Saul getting restless in his current life and trying to break back into lawyering, maybe even redeeming himself.
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Post by Dellarigg on Feb 17, 2015 17:27:20 GMT -5
I laughed at the 'Bury your scat' line. So that's more like it. If it carries on like this it'll win me over ...
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Post by Desert Dweller on Feb 17, 2015 21:48:49 GMT -5
Dorian Missick! Dorian Missick was in this episode playing the detective Mike *didn't* snarl at. I saw him and it reminded me of "Southland". And then I felt sad that "Southland" isn't on the air anymore. I wonder if I can pretend he is playing the same detective, and he just transferred to LAPD at some point?
The wigs in the cold open amused me quite a bit. Loved Odenkirk with that mullet.
Did I mention Mike snarled at a detective? That was maybe my favorite part.
I love the way Odenkirk is using the pitch and inflection of his voice to differentiate Jimmy from Saul.
I also loved that the insufferable Kettlemans had the money with them at the end. Hilarious. I can't decide if I want these people to go to prison because they're idiots, or if I want to see Jimmy convince a jury that they're innocent.
Finally, I realized that if Saul had been my brother's attorney 8 years ago, then my brother wouldn't have gone to prison.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 0:51:07 GMT -5
Really really liked this episode of BCS. Helped that we got a good dose of Mike this week and the beginnings of the Saul/Mike partnership. I also liked how this was about Saul/Jimmy trying to solve a mystery. While his motivation for solving it was his life being on the line, it wasn't like last week where most of the tension was built around this fact. It was more about finding what happened to the Kettlemens and then where are they hiding. And the series is very beautifully shot, this might have been the best looking one yet. I also really want to live in New Mexico now, specifically the Kettlemen house.
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Post by pairesta on Feb 19, 2015 8:35:11 GMT -5
Well, I yelled "GODAMMIT" at my TV when the end credits came up for this past episode, just like I used to do with Breaking Bad, so I guess I'm officially hooked.
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Post by LazBro on Feb 19, 2015 9:27:41 GMT -5
"... ... ... ... yeah... ..."
Could that final line possibly be delivered better than that? Just perfection, man.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 0:44:20 GMT -5
I liked the episode, but didn't love it. It was a table setting episode where I just wasn't interested in the middle. The scene with the Kettlemens was awesome, so was the "rescue" to the end. In between though, the only thing really doing it for me was the little bits, just not enough though.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Feb 24, 2015 18:39:46 GMT -5
I liked this episode a LOT. Oh, Bob Odenkirk is terrific in this! I feel kind of bad about it, but I am loving watching Jimmy's moral decline.
I was so torn in the scene with the Kettlemans. On the one hand, I was still hoping that Jimmy wouldn't take the bribe, because that was such an insulting, hypocritical thing for them to say to him. On the other hand, they are such idiots that I was also hoping that Jimmy would demand MORE money from them. "Human slavery!" Damn, this scene was funny.
And I loved everything about Jimmy's scam re: Hamlin. Loved when the blonde (whose name I can't remember yet) handed him the cease and desist letter. The look on his face was priceless.
I totally thought he concocted the whole thing to get a judge to declare that he was allowed to practice under his own name. I forgot he was Saul. That billboard stunt was so great. I initially thought he was just trying to get some further press to stick it to Hamlin and drum up business. It wasn't until he started climbing up the billboard when I realized the whole thing was a giant scam.
I also love the scene with Chuck. I love the sense the show is giving off that Jimmy feels guilty, like his failures are the actual cause of Chuck's illness. And the show did an excellent job portraying the panic that Chuck is feeling. Man, that story behind Chuck feels incredibly tragic. I wonder how deep the show is going to go with this.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Feb 24, 2015 19:16:53 GMT -5
The cold open with pre-Albuquerque 'S'all Good, man' and his con made me laugh so damn hard when the penny dropped.
Edit: Also, the bathroom scene in Spartacus is the gayest scene in the film, and Tony Curtis is an actor known to not be straight, so Saul's line there did seem to be suggesting something about Hamlin.
How gay is that scene? Well, for reference, here's the whole scene:
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Post by pairesta on Mar 3, 2015 9:32:10 GMT -5
Last night was kinda scattershot, I felt. I enjoyed the three main arcs of the ep (Chuck's meltdown, Jimmy visiting new clients, Mike) independently, just felt they didn't go together in that particular episode. Mike in particular. I've been happy just seeing him around again, but now I am starting to feel the criticisms of needing to justify him. He is eventually a cold-blooded thug enforcer for a major drug kingpin, and I'm not getting that bridge between that and this beat-down toll booth operator he is now. It's almost like he needs his own spinoff, because that seems like an awful lot to fit in for a side character.
I hope Clea DuVall comes back. swoon.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Mar 3, 2015 21:15:00 GMT -5
pairesta I figure Mike kind of got his own spinoff - his story may progress independently of Jimmy's before it collides with Jimmy. It's a disjointed episode but they seem to be confidently setting stuff up to blow up as they are find of doing. Also, that sex toilet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 21:40:04 GMT -5
Sex Toilet was great, everything else? Ehhh
This felt like the most tonally dissonant episode of the series so far. While breaking bad could be a funny show, it never really tried for what BCS is going for in being a full on comedy at times. The comedy in BrBa was perfectly used, just moments of levity amongst an unrelenting drama. BCS is trying to be a full on dramaedy and it just didn't work here. Like @pariesta said it was very scattershot. The chuck storyline didn't mesh with the old folk stuff at all. Hell, the old folk stuff wasn't even that good. Then the ending of the episode was all about mike and his plot with his daughter I presume, something that hasn't been touched on at all the previous 4 episodes? Just felt so out of place.
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Post by saganaut on Mar 5, 2015 22:52:02 GMT -5
pairesta, I got the impression that Mike was resigned to (or possibly happy with?) his quiet life as John Wilkes Booth. He sits outside all day, reads his newspaper, and goes to his favorite diner. Maybe that was much better than his life of... whatever followed his police career. I feel like at the end of this last episode, his old life that he was trying to distance himself from came rushing back into his present. So now, we might be starting his arc that leads from parking attendant to the drug kingpin enforcer/bagman we know from Breaking Bad.
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Post by Lemminkainen on Mar 9, 2015 22:41:47 GMT -5
"I broke my boy."
Goddamn.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Mar 9, 2015 23:22:22 GMT -5
Cried quite a bit at the end there. Amazingly well acted.
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Post by saganaut on Mar 10, 2015 1:19:55 GMT -5
That was brutal, but amazing...
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Mar 11, 2015 5:06:55 GMT -5
From BB I assumed he was just an unusually corrupt Philadelphia cop, deeper in the much than his run-of-the-mill corrupt colleagues—someone more along the lines of Hoffman and Fenske. The honor and sadness in Mike’s story completely surprised me.
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Post by pairesta on Mar 11, 2015 5:26:34 GMT -5
I've been a huge Jonathan Banks fan since Wiseguy, and it's so great seeing this late career Renaissance for him. That was an Emmy-reel performance right there.
I complained last week about wedging Mike's story in, but this week spending the entire ep on him really went a long way to allay those concerns.
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Post by pairesta on Mar 11, 2015 5:37:28 GMT -5
Maybe it's somewhere in the 1000 comments on TOS's review, but isn't Kaylee way too old in these flashbacks? Shouldn't she be like, an infant?
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Mar 11, 2015 5:57:59 GMT -5
Also, RailRunner wouldn’t begin service for another four years.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 14, 2015 2:17:21 GMT -5
Jonathan Banks was so good in this last episode. Wow! This was fantastic to finally get a look at Mike's backstory.
It was interesting that Donna pointed out the kind of awful dialogue. I really wasn't liking the early scene between Mike and his daugter-in-law (whose name I can't remember). The dialogue was so bad that I actually noticed it during the scene. I remember thinking, "Wow, this sounds like a bad CBS crime drama."
But, the rest of the episode was so good. Oh, that was an incredible scene where Mike describes what happened to his son.
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on Mar 14, 2015 4:11:14 GMT -5
Maybe it's somewhere in the 1000 comments on TOS's review, but isn't Kaylee way too old in these flashbacks? Shouldn't she be like, an infant? Kaylee is 10 years old in BB, Better Call Saul takes place 6 years prior. I think she looked 4 in this episode. |
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Post by Pastafarian on Mar 14, 2015 10:24:15 GMT -5
I'm late to the party, but just wanted to say I've been enjoying it all so far, so real laugh out loud moments, and holy shit the Mike episode had, well the opposite of that. Very curious to see at what point Jimmy becomes Saul, and what sets that in motion.
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Post by Pastafarian on Mar 14, 2015 10:26:55 GMT -5
From BB I assumed he was just an unusually corrupt Philadelphia cop, deeper in the much than his run-of-the-mill corrupt colleagues—someone more along the lines of Hoffman and Fenske. The honor and sadness in Mike’s story completely surprised me. I was in the same boat. And as I was surprised, I became even more angry with Walt at how things were dealt with at the end of BB. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 15, 2015 1:49:03 GMT -5
Yes! This series is retroactively making me even more angry at Walt! Showing Jimmy's struggles with Chuck, and giving us this true tragedy in Mike's past just serves to illustrate exactly how petty and power hungry Walt is.
I wonder what it will be like to try to re-watch Breaking Bad after Better Call Saul ends?
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