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Post by odnetnin on Feb 16, 2016 16:51:25 GMT -5
Shit was great. And they even retroactively fixed the finale for me, to boot.
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Post by saganaut on Feb 16, 2016 18:41:32 GMT -5
What a fantastic opening episode. I was really glad to see that my prediction played out, with them continuing to take their time in Jimmy's transition into Saul.
How fucking great was the moment when you could see Kim decide to play along with Jimmy's con? And Giselle St. Claire? I know that I'm being set up for crushing heartbreak, but I love the Kim/Jimmy dynamic. They're just phenomenal together. Also, I didn't realize it until I read Donna's review and the comments there, but the asshole investor they scam was the same asshole whose car gets blown up by Walt.
I'm also really loving Price/Daniel's continued involvement. Listening to the Better Call Saul Insider Podcast, I was again delighted to hear that Vince also loves his Zim Zam yoyo character as much as I do.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Feb 17, 2016 14:11:06 GMT -5
Also, I didn't realize it until I read Donna's review and the comments there, but the asshole investor they scam was the same asshole whose car gets blown up by Walt. I thought he was like that guy - he serves the exact same purpose as being someone the audience can take an instant dislike to and thus feel gratifying schadenfreude as people screw him over - but I had no idea they were going for that. Anyway watching this reminded me that Better Call Saul's dancing a line between darkness and comedy and dumbass criminals getting in over their heads (that luckless, feckless IT guy) makes it more like a Coen Brothers TV show than anything on the air, including, you know.
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Post by saganaut on Feb 17, 2016 14:29:26 GMT -5
Also, I didn't realize it until I read Donna's review and the comments there, but the asshole investor they scam was the same asshole whose car gets blown up by Walt. I thought he was like that guy - he serves the exact same purpose as being someone the audience can take an instant dislike to and thus feel gratifying schadenfreude as people screw him over - but I had no idea they were going for that. Anyway watching this reminded me that Better Call Saul's dancing a line between darkness and comedy and dumbass criminals getting in over their heads (that luckless, feckless IT guy) makes it more like a Coen Brothers TV show than anything on the air, including, you know. Yeah, reading other people's comments finally made it click for me what was so familiar about Price; he walked right in from a Coen Brothers story, and I'm very happy about that. Him rambling on about his precious baseball card collection being depreciated in value all while being completely oblivious to these two smart cops picking up on all of the suspicious hints was just hilarious. People have suggested that he's very likely going to need a lawyer soon (if he lives long enough), which might be interesting.
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Post by odnetnin on Feb 18, 2016 6:59:37 GMT -5
Better Call Saul >>> Fargo
On Price, I absolutely loved seeing them take what was essentially a parody of Walter White last season, and turn him into a full-on savage satire. Oh, how I hate that man. Also if preview clips of next week are to be believed, he will be in need of legal assistance, most definitely. Which makes me want to remember if Saul ever openly treated Walt like the buffoon he was; doing that got Mike killed
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Post by pairesta on Feb 22, 2016 7:06:07 GMT -5
I finally watched the premiere.
I have no memory of nerdy IT guy from last season. None. I dimly remember Mike at the "job interview" with three other goons but don't remember how it played out.
That is too awesome about the stockbroker douchebag. Never, ever would have put that together, but the actor is familiar. Also how dumb/risky is it for Jimmy to be hanging out at that same place again the next day? Also, also: my wife and I did a very rough calculation on them drinking that whole bottle and it came out to $634.
OK, I remember not liking Jimmy's "turn" at the end of last season, but I also don't like him ping-ponging back into that role after all. Just seems like wheel spinning. And I know the review at TOC specifically called out people likely being frustrated by this, so happy to oblige!
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Post by LazBro on Feb 22, 2016 9:05:09 GMT -5
I have no memory of nerdy IT guy from last season. None. I dimly remember Mike at the "job interview" with three other goons but don't remember how it played out. But... but... "Pimento" is like, the episode of this show so far. Mike's scene with nerdy IT guy after the first drug deal about the difference between morality and criminality is so good.
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Post by pairesta on Feb 22, 2016 9:12:19 GMT -5
I have no memory of nerdy IT guy from last season. None. I dimly remember Mike at the "job interview" with three other goons but don't remember how it played out. But... but... "Pimento" is like, the episode of this show so far. Mike's scene with nerdy IT guy after the first drug deal about the difference between morality and criminality is so good. I suck. I dunno if I was just drinking heavily before/during the show last year or what but nada. My wife was flabbergasted as she explained that whole plot to me.
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Post by kitchin on Feb 22, 2016 18:50:12 GMT -5
I also know someone who had no memory of Pimento. Odd, some kind of magical smokescreen. Just the bag lunch in that parking garage was enough to bring it all back for me!
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Feb 22, 2016 19:11:51 GMT -5
I don't blame pairesta; "Pimento" was good but it also felt like it was part of this whole other Breaking Bad prequel starring Mike, and not Better Call Saul.
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Post by LazBro on Feb 23, 2016 9:38:05 GMT -5
"Cobbler" is an A for me. That foreboding opening scene with Chuck and the metronome, Mike's negotiation with Nacho, the way Jimmy rallies after Chuck first joins the case meeting, Jimmy's story to the cops, "I'm sure the boys at the chop shop will take real good care of it," and that final, impossible to keep promise, "You won't."
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Feb 23, 2016 20:05:54 GMT -5
"I'm sure the boys at the chop shop will take real good care of it," and that final, impossible to keep promise, "You won't." I think it's a promise he could keep, if I understood it directly - she's not saying he can never do this again, but that he can never tell her again, because it makes her an accessory after the fact if she knew and did nothing. Though I suspect this inability to tell her anything is part of what will drive a wedge between them as Jimmy becomes Saul.
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Post by LazBro on Feb 23, 2016 21:09:41 GMT -5
"I'm sure the boys at the chop shop will take real good care of it," and that final, impossible to keep promise, "You won't." I think it's a promise he could keep, if I understood it directly - she's not saying he can never do this again, but that he can never tell her again, because it makes her an accessory after the fact if she knew and did nothing. Though I suspect this inability to tell her anything is part of what will drive a wedge between them as Jimmy becomes Saul. That's a fair read. I recall the line as, "I can't hear about this sort of thing ever again." And while he can maybe keep the promise of, "I can't hear about this sort of thing from you," it's a greater and more treacherous promise that he can prevent her from eventually learning the truth from someone, somehow. Then, that might be splitting hairs. What I think can be agreed is how terrifically this moment uses what we the audience already know.
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Post by pairesta on Feb 23, 2016 22:06:17 GMT -5
The scene with the cops at the end. Oh man. I haven't laughed that hard in a while. How they kept turning around to look at IT guy while the story kept getting worse and worse. That was brilliant.
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Post by ComradeQuestions on Feb 24, 2016 13:06:28 GMT -5
It's almost unbelievable how ridiculously good this show is. Prequels in general are a rough sell for me, because it's pretty hard to have dramatic stakes when you know how it's gonna turn out. But their ability to keep us so invested in these characters and genuinely sympathize with them and hope it all turns out alright, while at the same time have at the edge of our minds that this is all just a slow-motion tragedy, is truly remarkable.
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Post by The Stuffingtacular She-Hulk on Feb 24, 2016 15:01:34 GMT -5
The scene with the cops at the end. Oh man. I haven't laughed that hard in a while. How they kept turning around to look at IT guy while the story kept getting worse and worse. That was brilliant. We had to keep pausing it because we were laughing so hard. I was out of breath by the end of the scene. That has to be the funniest thing I've seen on TV in quite a while.
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Post by pairesta on Feb 24, 2016 15:06:44 GMT -5
The scene with the cops at the end. Oh man. I haven't laughed that hard in a while. How they kept turning around to look at IT guy while the story kept getting worse and worse. That was brilliant. We had to keep pausing it because we were laughing so hard. I was out of breath by the end of the scene. That has to be the funniest thing I've seen on TV in quite a while. The final touch, that he had to be crying when he did it. God. Plus some class A acting by Odenkirk there.
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Post by pairesta on Mar 3, 2016 18:53:58 GMT -5
This is a show where I almost wished I waited and then backlogged them on my DVR so I could just watch as many as I could. Every time those credits come up I want the next episode in my eyeholes NOW.
Ugh, that call at the end from Davis(?). I'm more in suspense about that than I am about Mike's hit.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Mar 4, 2016 10:36:39 GMT -5
I liked the way they managed to make a very dry legal commercial about mesothelioma hilarious.
I suspect, given Pilot Jimmy-Saul-Fakename's depressing watching of his own commercials, that sleazy commercials are largely responsible for good things in Jimmy's life and he's going to get some sort of a pass from Guitar Man. Plus, I feel like we have at least a few more episodes to go before the answer to Jimmy's Ominous Foreshadowing Moment with "Has anything blown up yet" is a yes.
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Post by Lady Bones on Mar 4, 2016 12:05:59 GMT -5
Okay, I shouldn't be on here, I still need to catch up on the show, I just wanted to clarify that unless you're talking about a specific scene in Pimento, which is where Chuck's betrayal is revealed, Five-O is the designated Mike episode from S1.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 13:15:42 GMT -5
BB Call-backs so far this season:
"Ken" is the same guy whose car gets exploded by Walt (I totally called this character being brought back a year ago)
The expensive brand of tequila is the same as the one that Gus poisons on BB (notice the bottle)
"Ice Station Zebra Associates" is what Saul tells Badger to make the check out to in his first appearance, apparently it is a favorite movie of Kim's
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ETA: One of the cops who visits Pryce's house was also present when Skylar tried to get Walt removed from their home before he called her bluff
ETA2: Toy pig Mike gives his granddaughter is later used in BB to distract a rogue hitman
ETA3, just a note: Mike's car is the same one from Breaking Bad.
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Post by pairesta on Mar 4, 2016 14:52:34 GMT -5
I hope these B&W flashforwards aren't about Saul deciding to go back to being a lawyer, but rather him finding Kim and winning her back. They are so good together. It's painful just waiting for it to die.
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Post by firstbasemanwho on Mar 7, 2016 23:16:50 GMT -5
Another great episode. Also, late to the party, but I don't know if I'll look at pies the same way again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 16:51:23 GMT -5
New BB Callbacks this episode:
Krazy 8/Domingo and his dad's furniture store are shown/referenced.
Mike accurately predicts the fallout of Tuco's eventual death on BB
Tuco's reason for ending up in the joint (where he meets Skinny Pete) is shown
Tuco's murder of "Dog Paulsen" was mentioned in passing by Hank
Mike's plan--to put a drug addict in jail to calm down/get clean rather than just killing him--is the exact same half measure that he chastised Walter against taking. Interesting note: Walter, quoting Saul, says that Mike has "done this kind of thing before".
Return of Recurring Freelance Gun Salesman charater
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Post by saganaut on Mar 8, 2016 21:35:09 GMT -5
Again, every episode they just keep bringing it. What a great fucking show.
Things I loved:
Krazy 8 coming back, and obviously being earlier in his criminal career.
Mike deciding to try another approach with Tuco. While I agree that it's correct to read this as a half measure approach to the problem, I kind of took it another way: it was the right call to avoid killing him. Not only is murdering Tuco the more risky move (witnesses in broad daylight), as he mentioned, it would bring in more scrutiny from the Salamancas. Plus, based on Breaking Bad, we don't really have any reason to suspect that this half measure comes back to hurt him. They explicitly had a scene in which he described how he won't need to testify against Tuco (which seemed like it was part of Mike's plan all along), so it's not like his name is going to be a matter of public record. All that's not to say that the Mike we know from Breaking Bad wouldn't have at least considered killing him, as it could have been the easier option. I'm really curious to see what eventually happens with Mike that would probably lead him to chose to buy the rifle. Speaking of which:
Jim Beaver returning as Lawson. Ever since his first appearance in Breaking Bad, I just thought he was such an awesome, fully-realized (despite his brief screentime) background character. I don't know what it is exactly, but I just love his quiet, professional, reasonable demeanor. It's just such an interesting contrast with what he does for a living.
The Jimmy/Chuck scene. They're just phenomenal actors, and this show is so well written. Jimmy continuing to help and support Chuck, only to be so viciously attacked in return, is just heartbreaking. Also, like a lot of other people, I love that Chuck isn't just this one dimensional bastard; he's almost always right. But it's just the way he operates, and how blind he is to his own motivations and hypocrisies, that makes him so unlikeable in the best of ways.
Michael Mando as Nacho continues to be amazing, and I loved that he had more to do in this episode.
Also, am I the only one who immediately thought when Jimmy found Chuck on the couch that he was malingering? I think he's still suffering from his mental condition, but I wouldn't put it past him to grab a space blanket and dive onto his couch in order to avoid (even temporarily) the Kim discussion with Jimmy. Mostly because I think he didn't want to admit to the fact that he pressured Hamlin to come down hard on Kim, and he was explicitly doing so to get at Jimmy in a backhanded way.
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Post by pairesta on Mar 8, 2016 22:19:25 GMT -5
Michael Mando as Nacho continues to be amazing, and I loved that he had more to do in this episode. Also, am I the only one who immediately thought when Jimmy found Chuck on the couch that he was malingering? I think he's still suffering from his mental condition, but I wouldn't put it past him to grab a space blanket and dive onto his couch in order to avoid (even temporarily) the Kim discussion with Jimmy. Mostly because I think he didn't want to admit to the fact that he pressured Hamlin to come down hard on Kim, and he was explicitly doing so to get at Jimmy in a backhanded way. My wife and I both figured Nacho wasn't going to be around much longer if he was making a move against Tuco, which made us oddly sad, since he is so good in the role. Chuck was wearing a watch. Doesn't everyone have to take off their watch when he's around? Is it just decorative and doesn't work?
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Post by The Stuffingtacular She-Hulk on Mar 8, 2016 22:54:57 GMT -5
Current family bonding activity: yelling, "Chuck, you ASSHOLE!" at the television screen.
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Post by saganaut on Mar 9, 2016 2:54:08 GMT -5
Michael Mando as Nacho continues to be amazing, and I loved that he had more to do in this episode. Also, am I the only one who immediately thought when Jimmy found Chuck on the couch that he was malingering? I think he's still suffering from his mental condition, but I wouldn't put it past him to grab a space blanket and dive onto his couch in order to avoid (even temporarily) the Kim discussion with Jimmy. Mostly because I think he didn't want to admit to the fact that he pressured Hamlin to come down hard on Kim, and he was explicitly doing so to get at Jimmy in a backhanded way. My wife and I both figured Nacho wasn't going to be around much longer if he was making a move against Tuco, which made us oddly sad, since he is so good in the role. Chuck was wearing a watch. Doesn't everyone have to take off their watch when he's around? Is it just decorative and doesn't work? Yeah, Nacho is just great. I'm really pulling for him to be central to the show moving forward. Since they made a show of the watch, I expected him to start winding it in the morning, indicating that it was mechanical, not electronic. But maybe since they didn't point that out, perhaps it'll come back in a meaningful way.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 13:31:20 GMT -5
Also loved the very subtly reveal (during the gun salesman's scene) that Mike was in 'Nam.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Mar 10, 2016 1:53:10 GMT -5
Also loved the very subtly reveal (during the gun salesman's scene) that Mike was in 'Nam. Is that sarcasm on the "very subtle"?
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