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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Apr 24, 2022 18:54:06 GMT -5
Starting to worry that Nacho won’t get his own version of El Camino, guys.
I’m surprised that Kim’s going so hard, so quickly (esp. since I shot through season five before writing this). In early I’d kind of assumed she’d end up a successful lawyer somewhere as a foil to Saul. Instead she’s almost a foil from the other direction (though she was 100% right to tip off the Feds about the Kettlemans—god I hate them—and it’s fun to see Kin go so hard so fast). The stuff with Howard’s going to blow up right in her face, isn’t it?
I’m also surprised that she’s the one who comes up with the Palace of Justice, the prime location, and the Cadillac. As flashy as Jimmy dresses is it’s more directed and he still has more pragmatic side. Rather than a “prime location” he was thinking of an office near the courthouse. Rather than immediately going for a flashy car he goes for a Taurus (and I’m pretty sure that generation of Taurus was a worse drive than the Esteem, though I only have exp. w/the Taurus). Jimmy’s still there…for now.
I knew things were bad when Mike relocated Nacho père’s ID. Seeing Mike kind of weight things made it harder.
I’m generally impressed by how Jimmy looks younger, though a lot of that is just that he’s more sympathetic and less slimey (and thinner, right)? The twins, though—they’re just much less intimidating now. They just like a couple of well-dressed uncles at a family reunion (the fact that that model of Porsche SUV’s not old but now, if it survives at all, on its third or fourth owner—uncle grade—unintentionally lessens the effect too). It’s still fun to watch guys so skilled at their job but they’ve lost a bit of the skilled and terrifying.
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Apr 25, 2022 12:23:09 GMT -5
I’m also surprised that she’s the one who comes up with the Palace of Justice, the prime location, and the Cadillac. As flashy as Jimmy dresses is it’s more directed and he still has more pragmatic side. Rather than a “prime location” he was thinking of an office near the courthouse. Rather than immediately going for a flashy car he goes for a Taurus (and I’m pretty sure that generation of Taurus was a worse drive than the Esteem, though I only have exp. w/the Taurus). Jimmy’s still there…for now. I was surprised by this too, but the more I think about it the more sense it makes - the Saul Goodman persona is Jimmy's life, but it's more of an extreme hobby for Kim, so of course she's going to have the ridiculous technicolor ideas of how Saul should operate. This is sort of a recurring trend on this show - think Pryce and his pimpmobile, or back on Breaking Bad when Walt decided to meet up with Tuco in the middle of the desert, and Jesse griped that he was acting like a character in a movie. "Nobody ever gets shot at Taco Cabeza," remember? Same deal.
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Apr 28, 2022 13:55:25 GMT -5
I'm not crying, you're crying!!!
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on May 23, 2022 21:24:32 GMT -5
I think this was the loudest I've ever screamed watching an episode of television.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2022 21:56:49 GMT -5
Dumb show.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2022 13:12:03 GMT -5
Disappointing how often this show has resorted to the Occam's Writer's Guild Razor of character resolution which is simply to suddenly kill them off at after a brief spotlight arc for cheap shock value, when it's become obvious they've written themselves into a hole and need to quickly dispatch the person so we can give more attention to Mike grunting or Lalo fashioning an impromptu rope out of possums so he can climb into Jimmy's apartment. A pattern which has held true for Chuck, Werner Zieeeeegler, Nacho, and now Howard. Diminishing returns through telegraphed repetition.
Not to mention that scene where Howard demonstrates what a selfless considerate person he is by choosing to not admonish his bumbling underling instead offering him some constructive advice--just to really spell it out for you one final time--and gets all wistful about the influence Chuck has had on his life. Which is fine on its own as a bit of dramatic irony since we the audience know he's about to be massively fucked over by Jimmy and Kim's unjustified petty psycho scheme, but in the greater context of the show and knowing how these things usually turn out, he might as well have turned to the camera and said "I'm about to die lol"
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jul 11, 2022 9:24:23 GMT -5
Guys. Guys. Guys. That was really good. Did anyone expect to see-- LOOK AWAY, YE SPOILER-AVERSE! THIS IS A SPOILER FOR THE FIRST TWO EPISODES OF BETTER CALL SAUL SEASON 6 WHICH JUST AIRED ON THE TV!! DON'T READ ONWARDS IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED THESE TWO EPISODES AND DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED!!--the Kettlemans again?? I know there's lots of stuff that just went down in that episode but it's the Kettlemans that really got to me. I am also inordinately worried about Nacho's papa now, because he is exactly the kind of guy that Mike would go out of his way to protect, and exactly the kind of guy that would get killed in brutal fashion on Breaking Bad. Nacho’s dad is too old for Mike to conceive of him as his new surrogate son to fail miserably at keeping alive and untraumatized. |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jul 11, 2022 10:22:33 GMT -5
I've now rewatched Breaking Bad, El Camino: A Breaking Bad Story, and the first five seasons of BCS, and watched the first half of Season 6 of BCS. Thoughts on BCS, Seasons 1-5: I stand behind my belief that this is the better show than BrBa. Seasons 1 and 2 are both very good, but seasons 3-5 are, imo, even better. More entertaining of a rewatch than BrBa, despite having seen a bunch of it much more recently than BrBa. Kim is the best character; Nacho's dad is the best person on the show. Incredible how fun and inventive the Gilligan cinematography still feels after so many episodes of BrBa and BCS. Season 6: I like it a lot so far, but I feel like it's a bit of a step down from Seasons 3-5. BCS is so good at giving its characters complex motivations for their choices. There's so many moments where a character's choice is to a certain extent morally justifiable, but that justification is ultimately used for self-serving purposes (like, it is probably in the best interests of the Mesa Verde clients to settle relatively quickly while as many of them as possible are still alive and in reasonably good health such that they can enjoy their money, but to the extent Jimmy and Kim believe this they are absolutely deluding themselves that this (or even Kim being able to take on more pro bono work) is their primary motivation. But in Season 6 I feel like a lot of that nuance is lost at the expense of spectacle. The spectacle is still pretty fun, but the Jimmy/Kim schemes are much better than the increasingly cartoonish cartel stuff. That said, I like the way that characters are playing against type to a certain extent in believable ways this season. I like Kim's descent into total reckless con artist dirtbag bullshit, it's nice to see Gus actually lose his cool, and to see Howard start to crack as Jimmy and Kim try to ruin his life. Didn't expect Nacho to die so soon, primarily because I went back and watched the scene from BrBa where Walt and Jesse threaten Saul into becoming their lawyer. He thinks they're with the cartel, says in broken Spanish that he's always a friend of the cartel, asks if Lalo sent them, and that it was all Ignacio's idea. I assumed this meant that Jimmy was going to cross paths with Nacho again this season, but obviously not. I like getting to see the return of a lot of the fan favorite weirdos, but some of the guest appearances feel distractingly shoehorned in. The return of the Kettlemans was great and felt organic; it makes sense that Jimmy and Kim would use them in their schemes. On the other hand, having Wendy come back seemed a little silly. Is she the only sex worker in Albuquerque? Also, always love to see the film students, even if one of the actors is now so old that wearing a sweatband really calls attention to his receding hairline, but Camera Guy's TA lecture was a little too over the top, imo. Also, while I think the performances from Kim's mom and Young Kim are fantastic at emulating the mannerisms of Rhea Seehorn as Kim, we didn't really need an origin story for Kim's earrings. There's already too many origin stories for BrBa stuff on this show without adding origin stories for random things from BCS too, and Kim always wearing the same earrings was a nice subtle quirk that makes her feel like a real person, and didn't really need to be explained, I think. Anyway, we'll see what happens in the second half of the season. Wonder if we see Gene in this episode? Also, going to put this speculation about the show's endgame in spoiler quotes for people who don't like trying to guess what's going to happen on a show, but I always assumed Kim was going to either die or end up completely disassociating herself from Jimmy, but the scene in Vet Guy's office where she unsubtly reads the business card for Vacuum Guy out loud has me thinking it's very possible that she might end up using the services of Vacuum Guy herself, manage to tell Jimmy her new identity before she leaves, and she and Jimmy-as-Gene will somehow meet up in black-and-white land to try to fuck with Taxi Guy & Friend. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jul 11, 2022 16:56:52 GMT -5
Wendy gets the next spinoff.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jul 11, 2022 20:36:33 GMT -5
Wendy gets the next spinoff. Here’s my prediction for a spin-off. It’s a Felicity-style college drama about Clifford Main as an undergraduate played by The Guy Who Plays Clifford Main On BCS. |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jul 11, 2022 22:18:50 GMT -5
Season 6, Episode 8: “Point and Shoot” It was OK, I guess. Heavy on the spectacle, light on characterization, or commentary on the show’s more substantive themes, or any space for the little weird moments that make the show great. It all felt too predictable. We know going into the episode that Jimmy, Gus, and Mike are safe, that Lalo’s almost certainly dead before BrBa, and it seemed very unlikely they’d kill Kim off that quickly, which robbed the episode of a lot of dramatic tension. It was obvious that Jimmy was trying to get Kim out of the apartment because he thought the person left with Lalo faced certain death rather than very very likely death, Lalo’s ploy was easy to understand from the start, and a showdown with Gus and Lalo in the lab had been heavily foreshadowed. On top of that, if the episode was going to be all spectacle no substance, can’t they give us anything more interesting in the spectacle department than a gunshot death for Lalo? I was thinking he was going to die in some sort of grisly fashion by means of construction equipment, or something, but instead we get an unspectacular (though mercifully brief) Gus-Lalo shootout.
Rhea Seehorn is really fantastic in the episode, at least. Overall though, a pretty disappointing start to the final run of shows if you ask me. As far as second half AMC final season premieres go, this pales in comparison with the equivalent episodes of BrBa or Mad Men, imo, |
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Jul 12, 2022 13:37:19 GMT -5
Season 6, Episode 8: “Point and Shoot” It was OK, I guess. Heavy on the spectacle, light on characterization, or commentary on the show’s more substantive themes, or any space for the little weird moments that make the show great. It all felt too predictable. We know going into the episode that Jimmy, Gus, and Mike are safe, that Lalo’s almost certainly dead before BrBa, and it seemed very unlikely they’d kill Kim off that quickly, which robbed the episode of a lot of dramatic tension. It was obvious that Jimmy was trying to get Kim out of the apartment because he thought the person left with Lalo faced certain death rather than very very likely death, Lalo’s ploy was easy to understand from the start, and a showdown with Gus and Lalo in the lab had been heavily foreshadowed. On top of that, if the episode was going to be all spectacle no substance, can’t they give us anything more interesting in the spectacle department than a gunshot death for Lalo? I was thinking he was going to die in some sort of grisly fashion by means of construction equipment, or something, but instead we get an unspectacular (though mercifully brief) Gus-Lalo shootout.
Rhea Seehorn is really fantastic in the episode, at least. Overall though, a pretty disappointing start to the final run of shows if you ask me. As far as second half AMC final season premieres go, this pales in comparison with the equivalent episodes of BrBa or Mad Men, imo, Yeah, I basically agree here. Much like we've had a few episodes ("Five-O" chief among them) that would be frustratingly generic if not for Jonathan Banks' performance, this is an episode that mostly coasts on how good Giancarlo Esposito is at being Gus, when he's, e.g. discussing how to take care of Pollos branches with Lyle while he's being operated on, or telling Lalo how he *really* feels about the Salamancas. But after the initial "is Kim gonna make a run for it??" (no lol) this episode is mostly grisly table setting for the main series. Mostly I'm glad that we get the Lalo calisthenics out of the way to make room for Jimmy/Kim stuff. It didn't *have* to be this way; for a second, when Gus and Kim are on the phone, you can see the outline of a more interesting plot where Gus manipulates Jimmy into manipulating Lalo. But no, Lalo just gets capped. I think I'd care slightly less if they hadn't broken the season where they had? |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jul 12, 2022 14:16:21 GMT -5
Season 6, Episode 8: “Point and Shoot” It was OK, I guess. Heavy on the spectacle, light on characterization, or commentary on the show’s more substantive themes, or any space for the little weird moments that make the show great. It all felt too predictable. We know going into the episode that Jimmy, Gus, and Mike are safe, that Lalo’s almost certainly dead before BrBa, and it seemed very unlikely they’d kill Kim off that quickly, which robbed the episode of a lot of dramatic tension. It was obvious that Jimmy was trying to get Kim out of the apartment because he thought the person left with Lalo faced certain death rather than very very likely death, Lalo’s ploy was easy to understand from the start, and a showdown with Gus and Lalo in the lab had been heavily foreshadowed. On top of that, if the episode was going to be all spectacle no substance, can’t they give us anything more interesting in the spectacle department than a gunshot death for Lalo? I was thinking he was going to die in some sort of grisly fashion by means of construction equipment, or something, but instead we get an unspectacular (though mercifully brief) Gus-Lalo shootout.
Rhea Seehorn is really fantastic in the episode, at least. Overall though, a pretty disappointing start to the final run of shows if you ask me. As far as second half AMC final season premieres go, this pales in comparison with the equivalent episodes of BrBa or Mad Men, imo, Yeah, I basically agree here. Much like we've had a few episodes ("Five-O" chief among them) that would be frustratingly generic if not for Jonathan Banks' performance, this is an episode that mostly coasts on how good Giancarlo Esposito is at being Gus, when he's, e.g. discussing how to take care of Pollos branches with Lyle while he's being operated on, or telling Lalo how he *really* feels about the Salamancas. But after the initial "is Kim gonna make a run for it??" (no lol) this episode is mostly grisly table setting for the main series. Mostly I'm glad that we get the Lalo calisthenics out of the way to make room for Jimmy/Kim stuff. It didn't *have* to be this way; for a second, when Gus and Kim are on the phone, you can see the outline of a more interesting plot where Gus manipulates Jimmy into manipulating Lalo. But no, Lalo just gets capped. I think I'd care slightly less if they hadn't broken the season where they had? Yes, something about the mid-season break being placed where it is just kind of felt like the easiest, most artificial way of introducing tension. Like, compare this to BrBa, where, whether you like season 5 or not, there’s a real substantive difference between the two halves of that season, and a first time viewer genuinely will be in the dark on how exactly things are going to escalate from here. |
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Post by Angry Raisins on Jul 17, 2022 10:04:40 GMT -5
Season 6, Episode 8: “Point and Shoot” It was OK, I guess. Heavy on the spectacle, light on characterization, or commentary on the show’s more substantive themes, or any space for the little weird moments that make the show great. It all felt too predictable. We know going into the episode that Jimmy, Gus, and Mike are safe, that Lalo’s almost certainly dead before BrBa, and it seemed very unlikely they’d kill Kim off that quickly, which robbed the episode of a lot of dramatic tension. It was obvious that Jimmy was trying to get Kim out of the apartment because he thought the person left with Lalo faced certain death rather than very very likely death, Lalo’s ploy was easy to understand from the start, and a showdown with Gus and Lalo in the lab had been heavily foreshadowed. On top of that, if the episode was going to be all spectacle no substance, can’t they give us anything more interesting in the spectacle department than a gunshot death for Lalo? I was thinking he was going to die in some sort of grisly fashion by means of construction equipment, or something, but instead we get an unspectacular (though mercifully brief) Gus-Lalo shootout.
Rhea Seehorn is really fantastic in the episode, at least. Overall though, a pretty disappointing start to the final run of shows if you ask me. As far as second half AMC final season premieres go, this pales in comparison with the equivalent episodes of BrBa or Mad Men, imo, Thought it wasn't bad, but yeah, kind of by the numbers - Lalo was almost certainly going to die, and sooner rather than later looked likely, given the limited time and other things to wrap up. Chekhov's gun in the construction site (with Fring basically just leaving it there on a hunch) also felt uncharacteristically clumsy for the show. It does clear the decks for Jimmy and Kim to feel the moral aftermath of their prank game though, which I'm looking forward to - I do wonder if we might see a little more of Howard's wife, given that the show did bother introducing her; I can imagine she'd be one person, estranged or not, who wouldn't buy the cocaine story.
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Jul 20, 2022 12:14:53 GMT -5
Season 6, Episode 8: “Point and Shoot” It was OK, I guess. Heavy on the spectacle, light on characterization, or commentary on the show’s more substantive themes, or any space for the little weird moments that make the show great. It all felt too predictable. We know going into the episode that Jimmy, Gus, and Mike are safe, that Lalo’s almost certainly dead before BrBa, and it seemed very unlikely they’d kill Kim off that quickly, which robbed the episode of a lot of dramatic tension. It was obvious that Jimmy was trying to get Kim out of the apartment because he thought the person left with Lalo faced certain death rather than very very likely death, Lalo’s ploy was easy to understand from the start, and a showdown with Gus and Lalo in the lab had been heavily foreshadowed. On top of that, if the episode was going to be all spectacle no substance, can’t they give us anything more interesting in the spectacle department than a gunshot death for Lalo? I was thinking he was going to die in some sort of grisly fashion by means of construction equipment, or something, but instead we get an unspectacular (though mercifully brief) Gus-Lalo shootout.
Rhea Seehorn is really fantastic in the episode, at least. Overall though, a pretty disappointing start to the final run of shows if you ask me. As far as second half AMC final season premieres go, this pales in comparison with the equivalent episodes of BrBa or Mad Men, imo, Thought it wasn't bad, but yeah, kind of by the numbers - Lalo was almost certainly going to die, and sooner rather than later looked likely, given the limited time and other things to wrap up. Chekhov's gun in the construction site (with Fring basically just leaving it there on a hunch) also felt uncharacteristically clumsy for the show. It does clear the decks for Jimmy and Kim to feel the moral aftermath of their prank game though, which I'm looking forward to - I do wonder if we might see a little more of Howard's wife, given that the show did bother introducing her; I can imagine she'd be one person, estranged or not, who wouldn't buy the cocaine story.
"Fun and Games" (6x09)
Ding ding ding re: Howard's wife! But this was a tad rushed, the emotional reaction. I don't know whether I really buy Kim's 180 over the course of the season into a different 180, and am now inordinately worried about the time skip which has to involve Walt and Jesse showing up because we *know* they're gonna show up. |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jul 23, 2022 9:21:27 GMT -5
Thought it wasn't bad, but yeah, kind of by the numbers - Lalo was almost certainly going to die, and sooner rather than later looked likely, given the limited time and other things to wrap up. Chekhov's gun in the construction site (with Fring basically just leaving it there on a hunch) also felt uncharacteristically clumsy for the show. It does clear the decks for Jimmy and Kim to feel the moral aftermath of their prank game though, which I'm looking forward to - I do wonder if we might see a little more of Howard's wife, given that the show did bother introducing her; I can imagine she'd be one person, estranged or not, who wouldn't buy the cocaine story.
"Fun and Games" (6x09)
Ding ding ding re: Howard's wife! But this was a tad rushed, the emotional reaction. I don't know whether I really buy Kim's 180 over the course of the season into a different 180, and am now inordinately worried about the time skip which has to involve Walt and Jesse showing up because we *know* they're gonna show up. The inspection sticker on Jimmy’s “LWYRUP” license plate says “NOV 05”, which means we can assume that the episode presumably ends in that year (or late 2004, I guess, but that seems too quick a turnaround for Jimmy to have constructed his awful version of Kane’s Xanadu). I believe BrBa starts in 2008?
Anyway, thought the cartel stuff was once again weak. Really carried by Esposito’s screen presence alone, especially that interminable scene with Wine Guy. I liked Nacho’s dad being the only person in the history of BrBa/BCS to not be even remotely taken in by Mike’s bullshit, when he correctly says that Mike is the same as all the other cartel guys. He’s still the best person in either BCS or BrBa.
The Kim thing was unexpected, I’ll give it that, and some fantastic performances from Seehorn and Odenkirk there. I actually buy Kim just immediately quitting the law like that; it’s presaged by her reaction to two other traumatic events. After her car accident in Season 3, she somewhat impulsively drops everything she’s doing to sit around watching movies all day, which is a totally understandable reaction to a scary car accident, but out of keeping with Kim’s behavior as a lawyer to that point. Later, after she’s confronted with Lalo for the first time, and narrowly escapes death after lying her ass off for Jimmy, this is the cause of her impulsive decision to scam Howard into settling Sand Piper early. When she decides to quit being a lawyer, this is triggered by seeing a guy get shot in the head in an incident she has a hand in, a horrifying incident that I have no trouble believing could cause her to quit the law and leave Jimmy after barely thinking it over. I think it makes sense for her character. Her involvement with Jimmy in the world of organized crime and elaborate scams (all intimately connected to her career as an attorney) culminates in watching Howard get killed in front of her eyes and then being compelled to go kill a man in order to save her husband’s life.
What does worry me about the episode, though, is if this is the end of Kim. She’s the most important character on the show who wasn’t in BrBa, and to just write her off like this like she’s just one more piece to get out of the way the way the writers have done with Nacho, Howard, and Lalo would be a huge disservice to her character. The end of her arc has to intersect with the end of pre-BrBa Jimmy’s in a more narratively satisfying fashion than “Anyway, my wife left me and so now I’m here”. I think she’ll show up again, but if this is the end of Kim, this was a wholly unfitting farewell to the series’ best character. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jul 28, 2022 14:18:27 GMT -5
I have to say I’m having trouble evaluating parts of this season because I like the mechanical aspects of it enough to overwhelm other concerns (did think it was interesting how Gene picked out the guy as less as a big (though still a potential) threat and more as the sort of person he would have represented. . It also took me a while to pick out the nicely-cast (if cast to type) Jerry—since my default with characters actors I kind of recognize is to go to Trek I spent a chunk of mental energy on trying to remember if there was ever a really midwestern-looking Bajoran on DS9. |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jul 28, 2022 15:44:32 GMT -5
I have to say I’m having trouble evaluating parts of this season because I like the mechanical aspects of it enough to overwhelm other concerns (did think it was interesting how Gene picked out the guy as less as a big (though still a potential) threat and more as the sort of person he would have represented. . It also took me a while to pick out the nicely-cast (if cast to type) Jerry—since my default with characters actors I kind of recognize is to go to Trek I spent a chunk of mental energy on trying to remember if there was ever a really midwestern-looking Bajoran on DS9. Jim O'Heir was the first time I've immediately recognized someone (apart from BrBa cast, of course) from other things. Anyway, this was my favorite episode from the second half of the season so far. Interested to see how they wrap this up in three episodes. |
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Jul 29, 2022 16:01:45 GMT -5
I have to say I’m having trouble evaluating parts of this season because I like the mechanical aspects of it enough to overwhelm other concerns (did think it was interesting how Gene picked out the guy as less as a big (though still a potential) threat and more as the sort of person he would have represented. . It also took me a while to pick out the nicely-cast (if cast to type) Jerry—since my default with characters actors I kind of recognize is to go to Trek I spent a chunk of mental energy on trying to remember if there was ever a really midwestern-looking Bajoran on DS9. Jim O'Heir was the first time I've immediately recognized someone (apart from BrBa cast, of course) from other things. Anyway, this was my favorite episode from the second half of the season so far. Interested to see how they wrap this up in three episodes. So you didn't say "huh, this old woman at the supermarket is the spitting image of Carol Burnett" and then spit out your drink five seconds later? |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jul 29, 2022 19:02:14 GMT -5
Jim O'Heir was the first time I've immediately recognized someone (apart from BrBa cast, of course) from other things. Anyway, this was my favorite episode from the second half of the season so far. Interested to see how they wrap this up in three episodes. So you didn't say "huh, this old woman at the supermarket is the spitting image of Carol Burnett" and then spit out your drink five seconds later? Nope, I don’t know who Carol Burnett is. |
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Post by Powerthirteen on Aug 9, 2022 12:34:11 GMT -5
Honestly I don't have any real sense of whether this is going to end semi-happily or very very tragically but I do know that "Waterworks" was one of the absolute heaviest episodes of tv I've ever seen. Just characters playing out the depressing string on the outcomes of their bad choices.
Also I don't think I'll ever be able to say or hear the word "yup" again.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Aug 9, 2022 18:02:39 GMT -5
Honestly I don't have any real sense of whether this is going to end semi-happily or very very tragically but I do know that "Waterworks" was one of the absolute heaviest episodes of tv I've ever seen. Just characters playing out the depressing string on the outcomes of their bad choices. Also I don't think I'll ever be able to say or hear the word "yup" again. Didn’t care for yet another egregiously unnecessary appearance from Aaron Paul (although Paul and especially Seehorn were good in it). Apart from that, one of the best episodes of either BrBa or BCS. Loved the shot of Tammy or whatever talking about her shitty husband with Kim closing the blinds to her office before taking the call from Jimmy, demonstrating this show’s ability to make even the most mundane settings interesting. Loved how Kim’s life in FL is just her own personal circle of hell, having to pretend to enjoy herself around the world’s dullest early 2010s suburbanites. Jeff drawing attention to himself by taking off like an idiot and crashing into a parked car was very funny, and one of the better weird coincidences that sets off a chain of tragic events to come out of this franchise (I like how, unlike the absurdly cartoonish plane crash at the end of Season 2 of BrBa, one of my least favorite moments from either show, this was something that normally would’ve been so low-stakes). Rhea Seehorn was absolutely incredible in this episode. Also “Jeff didn’t tell me anything; I learned everything I needed to know from Ask Jeeves,” was hilarious.
I’m inclined to think this won’t end semi-happily, but rather tragically, but who knows? Jimmy being found out is surely going to cause Kim to go find him, right? That’s where this seems to be headed, right?
Anyway, in spite of my issues with parts of this season, I did love this episode, and my hopes are high that the finale will be better than “Felina”, at least. |
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Post by ganews on Aug 15, 2022 19:54:38 GMT -5
It's time.
I hope Kim appears in the finale.
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Aug 15, 2022 22:13:44 GMT -5
I thought it was a pretty good ending! Which seems to be a minority opinion! |
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Post by ganews on Aug 15, 2022 22:33:24 GMT -5
I also thought it was a good ending, and I'm not going to hide spoilers.
For all the fancy camera work in the show, I loved the closing shot even before I realized it was the closing shot. That's what it's like the last time you see someone. It's not a big thing, they just disappear behind a wall and that's it. The show ends, that's it.
My only criticism which is a strong word is the relatively sympathetic flashback to Chuck. Fuck that guy.
"So you were always like this" is pretty rich coming from WW.
Wifemate said the shared cigarette at the end was glowing in color, which I didn't catch. Pretty good, though not as good as Saul's commercial reflecting in color in Gene's glasses last episode.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Aug 16, 2022 8:00:02 GMT -5
I appreciated the flashback to Chuck, because it was a double-edged sword; Chuck was carrying that copy of The Time Machine, which we saw in Saul's house at the start of the year and which we saw Saul/Jimmy reading in bed a couple of times earlier in the season. My sense was that we were meant to see that that encounter - which happened before the beginning of the series - was one that was the turning point both of them would have liked to go back to, to undo everything that they did to each other afterwards.
That scene encapsulated what, to my mind, made it a better ending than Felina. In Felina, everyone is either dead or on the lam. But in this, no-one gets off that easy; Jimmy has to make the choice to live honestly with what he's done and see what he can do with the life that gives him.
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Post by ganews on Aug 16, 2022 11:29:21 GMT -5
I'm still not sure I completely buy the courtroom confession as Jimmy truly emerging from a Saul cocoon, instead of him wanting it to appear that way (or even just wanting it to be true). But he's certainly happier in prison than as Gene.
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Post by Angry Raisins on Aug 16, 2022 15:21:01 GMT -5
It felt weirdly bold to have a main character's ultimate fate be going to prison for the rest of his life; there's an awful lot of drama where this is theoretically a very plausible ending, but hardly ever the one chosen.
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Aug 16, 2022 16:17:22 GMT -5
I'm still not sure I completely buy the courtroom confession as Jimmy truly emerging from a Saul cocoon, instead of him wanting it to appear that way (or even just wanting it to be true). But he's certainly happier in prison than as Gene. IMO Jimmy's "confession" is a scheme like all his others, and with the same motivations. It's just that after six seasons of watching him do so, it's become clear (at least, to me - again, just my take here) that what Jimmy wants out of his schemes is not so much money or status or even justice/revenge (although they're all factors), but the connection to others that he feels he can't get as just Jimmy McGill the fuckup without the buffer of a persona.
I do think it's symbolic that the two elements of the Gene scenes that are in color are the Saul commercials and the cigarette he bums with Kim. I can't articulate quite *why* that feels so right but it does.
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