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Post by Lemminkainen on Jan 2, 2016 1:27:40 GMT -5
This Stevenbomb better have another Pearl song.
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Post by Hippo on Jan 2, 2016 1:31:53 GMT -5
This Stevenbomb better have another Pearl song. Probably should, Stevenbombs are supposed to change everything and make people feel all the feels. I still don't think I can handle it, Twi. |
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Jan 4, 2016 2:02:51 GMT -5
Finished binging the entire series, chomping at the bit for more. Can't wait for tomorrow!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 21:31:09 GMT -5
Pearl almost killed Garnet!
I also kinda wish Blue Diamond had an Emperor Palpatine voice, what with being a mysterious hooded figure and all.
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Post by Hippo on Jan 5, 2016 2:03:38 GMT -5
I will never be prepared to watch a Steven Universe episode, it's a complicated and long-winded stew of feelings in me that make me unprepared to handle the complicated stew of feelings in the show.
It's too adult for me is what I'm saying.
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Post by Hippo on Jan 5, 2016 3:06:01 GMT -5
Okay, I watched and while I did read over at the Old Country, it's a bit heavy so back to here. I liked it, I mean I don't specifically care about Ruby and Sapphire's relationship because it falls a bit too heavy on pleasing the Tumblr segment of the fandom but I still liked this. I also need to distance myself from what the fans think because I'm finding myself disagreeing with them and those guys are sticklers for details, a real bunch of Mr. Meeseeks if you will. I think the idea or concept of fusion remains odd but then I've always thought of Gems having a certain level of asexuality even if it's a non-popular opinion because it makes more sense for me. I don't think I'm projecting by thinking it but if sexuality doesn't come into it regardless of it being the same Gem type fusing or two different ones then it's less about the physical nature of fusion and more what it means for those fusing. It's okay for alike Gems because they're somewhat like a hive mind in personalities and purpose, it's two different types fusing which seems more outrageous to those on Homeworld. "A place for every Gem and every Gem in their place" seems to be their edict and you can see how Sapphire and Ruby fusing would be bad at the level that a lowly Ruby shouldn't be mixing with classier Gems like Sapphire but there's more to it, like the merging of minds isn't seen as good but why do they think it's bad? It's not a forbidden lesbian romance (and makes little sense if all Gems are "female" to human eyes), it's something different to that and I think miscegenation might be the closest way to translate it to our minds, that they created a new thing from two other disparate things coming together.
So, their relationship is bad because the Homeworld Gems have a rigid system of classes and the concept of fusing with a lower class seems wrong, possibly even fusing with other not-you Gems in general even at the same social strata but that might be because their minds can't comprehend the idea of it, what fusion entails usually and how two different minds merged to one could create chaos out of order. I also think that they may have only ever seen Malachite-esque unstable fusions and that probably scared them into not allowing it.
We also got one of those odd musical talking singing songs which are nice but awkward to listen to because it's plainly dialogue. Still, good ep, still really like Garnet's adorable eyes and I like a little bit of Homeworld backstory. |
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Post by oppy all along on Jan 5, 2016 7:55:02 GMT -5
"Her terrifying, renegade Pearl".
FUCK YEAH PEARL
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Post by Hippo on Jan 6, 2016 2:46:45 GMT -5
So they're sticking with that alternate title card style? Cool, I like it. NO! No no no no! Do not make this Connie/Steven thing an actual thing! They're great as friends, why help the shippers who pair everything off with everything because they're downright psychotic? Ugh, just keep it platonic guys, there's no benefit in them being romantically involved!!! |
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Post by oppy all along on Jan 6, 2016 3:20:33 GMT -5
I had no idea Steven was 14. He's a really weird 14yo. By that age boys are usually calling each other homophobic slurs and masturbating furiously.
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Post by Hippo on Jan 6, 2016 3:33:44 GMT -5
I had no idea Steven was 14. He's a really weird 14yo. By that age boys are usually calling each other homophobic slurs and masturbating furiously. Steven is weird compared to almost everyone, don't think anyone knew he was 14 but when you look the same as you did when you were 8, how old you actually are might come as a surprise to some folk. It's a mental thing, he thinks himself as 8 so he is 8 physically but if he matures (beyond his emotional maturity I mean, Steven's is beyond that of most 70 year olds) then his body will without having to force it. |
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Post by oppy all along on Jan 6, 2016 3:58:17 GMT -5
I had no idea Steven was 14. He's a really weird 14yo. By that age boys are usually calling each other homophobic slurs and masturbating furiously. Steven is weird compared to almost everyone, don't think anyone knew he was 14 but when you look the same as you did when you were 8, how old you actually are might come as a surprise to some folk. It's a mental thing, he thinks himself as 8 so he is 8 physically but if he matures (beyond his emotional maturity I mean, Steven's is beyond that of most 70 year olds) then his body will without having to force it. I wonder how he's going to age, then. The notion of your mental maturity shaping your physical maturity is interesting, does that mean he's effectively immortal? What happens if at some point he develops some kind of mental illness? On the plus side, Steven being 14 turns Stevonnie shipping from "Ew so gross the kid is like 8 what is your problem" to "I still would really prefer this stay platonic but it's not as bad as it could have been" |
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Post by Hippo on Jan 6, 2016 4:19:42 GMT -5
Steven is weird compared to almost everyone, don't think anyone knew he was 14 but when you look the same as you did when you were 8, how old you actually are might come as a surprise to some folk. It's a mental thing, he thinks himself as 8 so he is 8 physically but if he matures (beyond his emotional maturity I mean, Steven's is beyond that of most 70 year olds) then his body will without having to force it. I wonder how he's going to age, then. The notion of your mental maturity shaping your physical maturity is interesting, does that mean he's effectively immortal? What happens if at some point he develops some kind of mental illness? On the plus side, Steven being 14 turns Stevonnie shipping from "Ew so gross the kid is like 8 what is your problem" to "I still would really prefer this stay platonic but it's not as bad as it could have been" That's a bit of a mystery but yeah, for Steven it's a bit weird it all being really uncharted territory, nobody really knows how a Gem/human hybrid will grow and age or what happens when it breaks. Immortal possibly but I don't think so, depends a lot on if his body will deteriorate over time like other humans but it'd be reasonable to think his ability to not age could allow it or at least he'll be far outliving any other humans. I guess the age difference does help, I didn't try to give Steven an age, kinda settled on 12 and didn't consider it further but yeah, I like that their love isn't totally romantic and not enough is said about the strength of platonic love in general so I'd like to see that stick rather than find ourselves in a romance which does nothing to really further them as individuals. |
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Post by oppy all along on Jan 6, 2016 5:35:07 GMT -5
I wonder how he's going to age, then. The notion of your mental maturity shaping your physical maturity is interesting, does that mean he's effectively immortal? What happens if at some point he develops some kind of mental illness? On the plus side, Steven being 14 turns Stevonnie shipping from "Ew so gross the kid is like 8 what is your problem" to "I still would really prefer this stay platonic but it's not as bad as it could have been" That's a bit of a mystery but yeah, for Steven it's a bit weird it all being really uncharted territory, nobody really knows how a Gem/human hybrid will grow and age or what happens when it breaks. Immortal possibly but I don't think so, depends a lot on if his body will deteriorate over time like other humans but it'd be reasonable to think his ability to not age could allow it or at least he'll be far outliving any other humans. I guess the age difference does help, I didn't try to give Steven an age, kinda settled on 12 and didn't consider it further but yeah, I like that their love isn't totally romantic and not enough is said about the strength of platonic love in general so I'd like to see that stick rather than find ourselves in a romance which does nothing to really further them as individuals. As shown in So Many Birthdays, Steven does run the risk of feeling too old and dying. Assuming his aging is not always as volatile as that episode, I guess at some point Steven Universe would feel too old, I guess? If his age is entirely determinant on his mental state, then I suppose there is at least a possibility that with the right therapist/hypnotist Steven could live forever. I had Steven and Connie at both being around 8, which made any notion of shipping super weird. Still not much a fan of it now, I prefer to keep shipping at at least 16 or above. Avatar: The Last Airbender shipping was generally very  . Also, the best kind of shipping is friendShipping... yeah, I know that's lame but it seems every cute friendship on TV turns into a lame romance with drama and sitcom misunderstandings leaving everyone wishing can't Jim and Pam just go back to being stupidcute in the office again? One more thing, I liked Greg taking the lead in parenting and pointing out that he did the babyraising. Poor Greg Universe seems to get marginalised in the parenting department. |
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Post by Hippo on Jan 6, 2016 5:54:40 GMT -5
That's a bit of a mystery but yeah, for Steven it's a bit weird it all being really uncharted territory, nobody really knows how a Gem/human hybrid will grow and age or what happens when it breaks. Immortal possibly but I don't think so, depends a lot on if his body will deteriorate over time like other humans but it'd be reasonable to think his ability to not age could allow it or at least he'll be far outliving any other humans. I guess the age difference does help, I didn't try to give Steven an age, kinda settled on 12 and didn't consider it further but yeah, I like that their love isn't totally romantic and not enough is said about the strength of platonic love in general so I'd like to see that stick rather than find ourselves in a romance which does nothing to really further them as individuals. As shown in So Many Birthdays, Steven does run the risk of feeling too old and dying. Assuming his aging is not always as volatile as that episode, I guess at some point Steven Universe would feel too old, I guess? If his age is entirely determinant on his mental state, then I suppose there is at least a possibility that with the right therapist/hypnotist Steven could live forever. I had Steven and Connie at both being around 8, which made any notion of shipping super weird. Still not much a fan of it now, I prefer to keep shipping at at least 16 or above. Avatar: The Last Airbender shipping was generally very . Also, the best kind of shipping is friendShipping... yeah, I know that's lame but it seems every cute friendship on TV turns into a lame romance with drama and sitcom misunderstandings leaving everyone wishing can't Jim and Pam just go back to being stupidcute in the office again? One more thing, I liked Greg taking the lead in parenting and pointing out that he did the babyraising. Poor Greg Universe seems to get marginalised in the parenting department. I think that's a rational fear, just we have no clue if it even applies to him taking into account his mental age defining his physical age, could live forever or simply die eventually like any other human by choice. Connie seems far too smart for me to be 8, she fits with being 12 really well as she does look like that age. I'm not much of a shipper in general because of the fact pairing up two characters is usually to the detriment of the chararcters as individuals but also I don't like the idea that pairings need to happen, just seems like a weird way of looking at these characters in terms of "who'd make a cute couple?". Friendshipping I seem a bit warmer towards because friendship isn't involved in the same way, even one like Connie and Steven's, it's a different type of risk which isn't that high and who doesn't like people being friends? Don't see much of it but I'm big on fraternal and platonic love like that. Greg's a cool dad, not like he had anyone but the other Gems to help out with raising Steven and given their limited knowledge of humans, I think he did good. I probably shouldn't give much thought on Connie as Baby Steven's protector of sorts, gets weird. |
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Post by Hawkguy on Jan 6, 2016 11:31:20 GMT -5
It always seemed obvious to me there was a romantic component to their relationship. Hell to not have it would go somewhat against the whole "Magical Girl" anime shtick this show has been all about since the beginning.
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Post by Hippo on Jan 6, 2016 12:13:12 GMT -5
It always seemed obvious to me there was a romantic component to their relationship. Hell to not have it would go somewhat against the whole "Magical Girl" anime shtick this show has been all about since the beginning. People are incredibly adamant Greg and Amethyst had a thing too, doesn't mean it's true. Probably is a romantic component for the shippers but I can see far more teasing it out than actually just making it happen, seems like the sort of thing the writers would do to keep the 'will they, won't they" theme going. |
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Post by Hawkguy on Jan 6, 2016 13:51:27 GMT -5
It always seemed obvious to me there was a romantic component to their relationship. Hell to not have it would go somewhat against the whole "Magical Girl" anime shtick this show has been all about since the beginning. People are incredibly adamant Greg and Amethyst had a thing too, doesn't mean it's true. Probably is a romantic component for the shippers but I can see far more teasing it out than actually just making it happen, seems like the sort of thing the writers would do to keep the 'will they, won't they" theme going. oh Greg and Amethyst hell no I think that was meant to be a much different relationship. However the main hero and the counterpart is fairly Standard Operating Procedure for MGA. Though I do think if its ever made blatant its more likely to be done in the finale |
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Jan 6, 2016 13:59:06 GMT -5
It always seemed obvious to me there was a romantic component to their relationship. Hell to not have it would go somewhat against the whole "Magical Girl" anime shtick this show has been all about since the beginning. People are incredibly adamant Greg and Amethyst had a thing too, doesn't mean it's true. Probably is a romantic component for the shippers but I can see far more teasing it out than actually just making it happen, seems like the sort of thing the writers would do to keep the 'will they, won't they" theme going. Oh god, the first time I heard about Greg/Amethyst theories my eyes rolled so hard they made grooves in my skull. I thought it was pretty obvious that they became good friends/he became a surrogate father figure to make up for Rose Quartz's absence and Amethyst harbored resentment because she blamed him for losing Rose. But hey, maybe in season 3 we'll get a flashback to them making out and I'll just cry myself to sleep because nothing is allowed to be platonic ever. Conversely, I'm weirdly attached yo the idea that Connie and Steven must get married have have hundreds of fat children. I don't ever want to see it happen on the show, but I do want them to be together forever and ever. Go figure. |
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Post by Hippo on Jan 7, 2016 4:28:11 GMT -5
Oooooh! Okay, I probably do need to stop overreacting but every episode has had some forward progress which is good, not to say episodes which are just character-based do nothing but when they contain so much... it's truly awesome. I enjoyed Peridot through all of this, from her note recall (Do Mi So Ti) and her giggling at being in the moon temple, she was everything you'd want of Peridot. a little more on the Diamonds and also just what the plan was for Earth (or this Earth, that giant hole in Asia is a concern) with notes of Peridot not fully all the way with the Crystal Gems. Fun!
Still, big thoughts! So, this is a two-parter (maybe even three-parter) clearly due to lack of star iris out and the whole thing of Peridot still admiring the destruction of the Homeworld's Gems on this Earth and having snatched what is probably a data crystal. With Steven mentioning earlier how far she's come, seems we were mistaken or at least weren't considering where she hadn't grown at all and tomorrow we get to find out just what Peridot will do. Fans are going to go nuts trying to figure out why the geography is so different to ours but I think my main take is that it's going to be tough to reform Peridot, at least not within a handful of weeks like they had, even the Crystal Gems aren't that great with their human knowledge and they've had millennia to work it out, what chance did Peridot honestly have?
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Post by Hippo on Jan 7, 2016 10:30:53 GMT -5
IRRESPONSIBLE CONJECTURE FOLLOWS: -They didn't mention it by name, but one of the four diamonds on the wall art was totally pink. Pink. A PINK DIAMOND. -The betrayal+Peridemption arc is looking more and more likely, isn't it? There's no way she doesn't use that data crystal she palmed to contact Homeworld, especially after that confrontation with the Crystal Gems (that's the betrayal); what I think will happen is that will result in the death or breakage of a major character (I have 2 potential candidates in mind) which finally jolts Peridot out of her pro-Yellow Diamond mindset. I hope I'm wrong, though. I think Rose was probably Pink Diamond, seems like she broke off as a renegade diamond and decided to go under Quartz, it's a popular theory for a reason but I wouldn't want to say in any firm way it was totally her. Peridemption is looking real likely, she's still totally Team Yellow Diamond and it's likely there will be betrayal, death or broken characters seems less likely as it's not Joss Whedon writing it but wouldn't rule it out. Thing of that though is who has to pay for Peridot's betrayal to have it matter heavily enough to her to go against her programming and begin her true redemption arc? I doubt it'll be any of the Crystal Gems but I don't know where else it could come from either, if it is someone major like you say then it's more what others feel towards her which'll kickstart it rather than from within. |
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Post by Hippo on Jan 7, 2016 10:45:44 GMT -5
Thing of that though is who has to pay for Peridot's betrayal to have it matter heavily enough to her to go against her programming and begin her true redemption arc? IRRESPONSIBLE CONJECTURE WARNING: My current heavy front-runner is Greg, with Garnet as a distant second. Amethyst and Pearl are safe, just because so much of their backstories have yet to be told; with Greg and Garnet, on the other hand, we've been told pretty much every backstory of theirs, at least every one that would require them to be present and alive for the telling. Like I said, I really hope I'm wrong, but narratively speaking if you're going to kill a major character in order to trigger a remorse & redemption arc for another one, they seem the most likely candidates. Seems logical but if those are candidates for something highly disruptive then given how little Peridot generally cares about them (though Garnet is possibly a higher target than Greg, possibly involving something to do with removing her fusion status) then it simply might not be something intentional and accidental instead. If it's inadvertent then I think there's far more gravitas to work with for Peridot. |
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Post by Hippo on Jan 7, 2016 10:59:29 GMT -5
Seems logical but if those are candidates for something highly disruptive then given how little Peridot generally cares about them (though Garnet is possibly a higher target than Greg, possibly involving something to do with removing her fusion status) then it simply might not be something intentional and accidental. If it's inadvertent then I think there's far more gravitas to work with for Peridot. I think it'll be inadvertent, yeah--Peridot at this point does not view Homeworld's policies as harmful, or even understand why anyone would. I don't envision the remorse & redemption coming from Peridot herself directly reacting to the death, moreso from her seeing Steven's reaction to it and realizing that her pro-Homeworld fundamentalism had resulted in actions and consequences that hurt the only Earth resident who ever showed her kindness or trusted her. Totally, Steven is the one who'll be the one greatest hurt by whatever loss there is and that'll be the thing that causes Peridot to have to question what she done and in whose name. Could even throw in a Zuko-like reformation given how heavily instilled her loyalty to Yellow Diamond is but I'm sure whatever they end up doing will be hugely affecting and with songs. Maybe crying. |
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Post by Tea Rex on Jan 7, 2016 15:39:50 GMT -5
I'm enjoying the Hippo/Patbat theories.
I'll state one thing, and then go back to lurking - Steven/Connie has literally been projected from the first. Steven was shown to be doing all the typical "kid has crush on other kid" things within the ep that Connie was introduced. And for fuck's sake, he SAVED HER NECKLACE FOR A YEAR. That's not just Steven being Steven, that's Steven taking a special interest in a girl he saw from afar.
I think what this show has done brilliantly is show that romance and friendship can be totally intertwined, and that you can be besties with someone you also like romantically. So many shows are so adamant to show only the romance that they don't show why the couple clicks - I've often looked at an onscreen couple and wondered what the hell they talk about in between makeouts. With Steven and Connie, they're besties first, but they clearly both like each other as more, and that's okay. If the writers do eventually feed more romance into their joint story, I'll never wonder what they do when they're not kissing, because it's obvious - Steven will play his uke while Connie tells him of her current book obsession.
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Post by Hippo on Jan 7, 2016 16:16:12 GMT -5
I know, I'm not saying they didn't telegraph Steven/Connie from the get go but for me I don't want them together because doing it seems pointless, what does it give them that'll make them closer? It won't give them intimacy, they have that from Stevonnie and there's no heightened stakes either, they'll already do what it takes for each other so it seems more just for the sake of saying they're a thing now. From a simple production standpoint there's also the feeling just doing it would take away something very important to their dynamic right now and heck knows the hunt is better than the kill to use entirely the wrong analogy.
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Post by Tea Rex on Jan 7, 2016 17:26:47 GMT -5
I know, I'm not saying they didn't telegraph Steven/Connie from the get go but for me I don't want them together because doing it seems pointless, what does it give them that'll make them closer? It won't give them intimacy, they have that from Stevonnie and there's no heightened stakes either, they'll already do what it takes for each other so it seems more just for the sake of saying they're a thing now. From a simple production standpoint there's also the feeling just doing it would take away something very important to their dynamic right now and heck knows the hunt is better than the kill to use entirely the wrong analogy. I totally see where you're coming from, Hippo. I guess for me it's more like...instead of romance being the be-all end-all of their relationship, which is sososoSOSO common when relationships are shown on screen (I would say even the very best shows, like Avatar:TLA, suffer from this - why is the Katara/Aang kiss the last thing we see of the show? Why was the very thought of them getting together made into something SO IMPORTANT that they made it the final fucking shot? Something that showed the ensemble together would have been far more keeping in the show's dynamic that the Avatar needed his whole adopted family in his life to succeed, not just this one girl), the Stevonnie pairing is a completely different take on how a romantic relationship can work, which is a fantastic thing for kids to learn. Will it add anything to their dynamic? No, probably not. They've already had tiffs, they already are friends, they already spend a lot of time together and support each other. There is no narrative purpose for them to become romantic. But, that means if they gradually slip into a comfortable romance, then that mean s romance doesn't have to be narratively important to a story. We already have romances that are narratively important in SU - Greg and Rose, Pearl's unrequited love, Sapphire and Ruby. Romance can be, and sometimes is, a big deal. And sometimes, it isn't. Sometimes you find someone who clicks with you, and romance just happens. And life continues on, and the romance is sometimes in the fore (like with Steven's birthday - it's kind of a big deal if Steven doesn't grow up with Connie if they both romantically love each other as well as love each other as friends), and sometimes it's just simmering in the background as you go about daily life. I don't go grocery shopping or off writing in coffee shops or make dinner while also pining away for Mr Tea, but my romantic love is always there in the background, shaping my life. And that's a swell thing to bring into a kid's show. SO many of us were bombarded by narratively important romances in media as we were growing up that I think a lot of people have to take some time getting over that when they start actually pursuing romantic relationships later in life. Hell, the tumblrs are already shoving some sort of heady romantic bullshit on Stevonnie that doesn't exist in their comfortable pairing. It's great that this show can be an outlier and show that there are both tons of different kinds of romantic love as well as tons of different kinds of love in general. Whew! God, I love this show. |
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Post by Lady Bones on Jan 7, 2016 17:45:30 GMT -5
OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD HOLY FUCK OH MY GOD
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Post by Tea Rex on Jan 7, 2016 20:15:07 GMT -5
I enjoyed Paridot's reaction at the end. Ha!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 20:26:44 GMT -5
Peridactyl!
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Post by Hippo on Jan 8, 2016 2:52:33 GMT -5
Never meet your heroes, Green Dorito.
I guess I'm confused, Peridot's loyalty to Earth came a little too quick after being fully all about Yellow Diamond, it wasn't until Yellow Diamond just dismissed her that she flipped over to supporting the continued non-Buckyballed existence of the Earth. It does fit in with Peridot's general thing of saying one thing but thinking something else entirely but at least we can start Peridactyl's rehabilitation finally, boy are the Homeworld Gems evil.
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