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Post by oppy all along on Jul 14, 2015 4:51:01 GMT -5
Right, Steven Universe. So how do you see fusion? I absolutely saw it as an analogue for sex until Alone Together when that metaphor became creepy as shit, but it's undeniably... intimate. In a not necessarily sexual way. Because ew. But it is absolutely sexual whenever Pearl does it, daaaaamn. Also, spoilers from Cry For Help, Pearl, you are crazy. Good person, fighting for Earth, caring, empathetic, did I mention good person? But you need serious help and that was an incredibly shitty thing to do. |
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Post by Dr Livingstone on Jul 19, 2015 11:18:00 GMT -5
I don't think it's a metaphor for sex. I think it's a metaphor for things that can include sex, but that's really different. Intimacy is definitely part of it, but I think it's too narrow to view it just as a romantic and/or sexual allegory. I think it stands in for relationships/patnerships more generally - some of them can be romantic, some platonic, others more working relationships, some sexual. And some can be a mix of all of the above, or mix and matches (e.g. romantic for one partner, platonic for the other, the classic unrequited love scenario). All of them are necessary and important parts of how we connect to other people, and all of them can be destructive/harmful/damaging if you throw codependency, coercion, deception, or a power imbalance into the mix...and why openness, communication, and trust are so important. That's not limited to just sexual and romantic relationships. I think individual fusions within the show *can* represent specific relationships- Garnet is definitely a romantic relationship- but I think fusion itself mostly stands for "ways people connect", and the variations define the kind of relationship. That's why it can be used for a rape metaphor without needing to be sexual.
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Post by Hippo on Jul 20, 2015 13:57:12 GMT -5
I want to say that fusion isn't sex, it's too narrow a definition for how it is for those who experience it (that and I want to spend less time thinking about the implications it makes for Stevonnie)
Pearl is also not sexy, that's ew.
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Post by Dr Livingstone on Jul 20, 2015 16:11:51 GMT -5
I want to say that fusion isn't sex, it's too narrow a definition for how it is for those who experience it (that and I want to spend less time thinking about the implications it makes for Stevonnie) Pearl is also not sexy, that's ew. The mayor would beg to differ, it seems. (A small note that always cracks me up) |
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Post by Hippo on Jul 21, 2015 0:54:54 GMT -5
I want to say that fusion isn't sex, it's too narrow a definition for how it is for those who experience it (that and I want to spend less time thinking about the implications it makes for Stevonnie) Pearl is also not sexy, that's ew. The mayor would beg to differ, it seems. (A small note that always cracks me up) I know, it's not like you can't find Gems sexy, after all Greg did, but it is Mayor Dewey of all people crushing on her and for some reason I feel protective of Pearl like that. |
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Post by Lemminkainen on Nov 3, 2015 14:50:02 GMT -5
I watched all the episodes in the last few weeks! Come have opinions with me!
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Post by cappadocius on Nov 3, 2015 14:55:59 GMT -5
I have opinions.
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Post by Lemminkainen on Nov 3, 2015 16:25:54 GMT -5
I'm not really sure where to even start.
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Post by cappadocius on Nov 3, 2015 17:16:25 GMT -5
One of hotter non-shipping topics out in the wider fandom is the likelihood of Peridot either a) joining the Crystal Gems, b) betraying the Crystal Gems to Yellow Diamond, or c) joining the Crystal Gems, and as soon as Yellow Diamond shows up, THEN betraying the Crystal Gems. There's a vocal minority that think Pearl, given her "Pearl-ness" is going to be the one who does a heel turn as soon as a Diamond shows up to throw orders around.
Given Sugar's 5 year plan for SU, we probably won't see Yellow Diamond until next season at the earliest, but it weighs heavily on the minds of a fandom who know Sugar's a weeaboo, who are themselves weeaboos, and have SEEN how this shit goes down in Japanese cartoons.
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Post by cappadocius on Nov 3, 2015 18:24:57 GMT -5
Bumping because merging an hour-old thread with a three-month-old thread moves the hour-old stuff down two or three pages in the index.
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Post by Lemminkainen on Nov 4, 2015 16:12:42 GMT -5
Pearl is also not sexy, that's ew. I do, however, like her songs the most. |
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Post by Hippo on Nov 4, 2015 16:27:46 GMT -5
Pearl is also not sexy, that's ew. I do, however, like her songs the most. Who doesn't? She does have some of the better songs but I don't think we hear enough of Amethyst, she's got this tortured history and had a really great one in "Cry For Help". I too also wish to discuss though I've learned I am nowhere near as dedicated a fan as even the most causal of tumblr kids so I'll be out of my depth a lot, confused by the concept of Yellow Diamond because spoilers and never on their wavelength so my concept of "good" and "awesome" will vary from everyone else's. |
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Post by cappadocius on Nov 4, 2015 16:47:51 GMT -5
I can understand being confused by Pink Diamond Theory if you're not in too deep, but Yellow Diamond's existence has been established since "The Return". What's confusing you?
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Post by Hippo on Nov 4, 2015 16:55:55 GMT -5
Not quite knowing who Yellow Diamond is, either I have really patchy recall of The Return or I never heard it until commenters started mentioning it.
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Post by Lady Bones on Nov 4, 2015 17:01:00 GMT -5
Hippo: Jasper and Peridot talk about Yellow Diamond as the leader of Homeworld/their boss. Yellow Diamond is also briefly and ominously featured in the extended theme song special thing.
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Post by Hippo on Nov 4, 2015 17:04:49 GMT -5
Hippo: Jasper and Peridot talk about Yellow Diamond as the leader of Homeworld/their boss. Yellow Diamond is also briefly and ominously featured in the extended theme song special thing. Oh, I see... kinda, had to go look at the SU wiki to fill in these holes even though she's been mentioned several times in episodes I actually watched and in the extended theme song which I never watched. Like I said, casual to the point I'm not sure if fan quite explains what my relation to the show is. |
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Post by cappadocius on Nov 4, 2015 17:07:58 GMT -5
Hippo: Jasper and Peridot talk about Yellow Diamond as the leader of Homeworld/their boss. Yellow Diamond is also briefly and ominously featured in the extended theme song special thing. Yellow Diamond is first mentioned in "The Return" when Jasper finds out Steven "is" Rose Quartz, Jasper says that Yellow Diamond needs to hear about it. Peridot later mentions her in "Cry for Help" and "Catch and Release", both times in the context of a supervisor or rescuer. Peridot's signal flare from "Joy Ride" is the "Yellow Diamond Flare Signal", but you'd only know that if you follow the Crewniverse blog. |
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Post by Hippo on Nov 4, 2015 17:17:15 GMT -5
I know now anyway but I don't want to dig further, I like the mystery and not really looking for fans who've done thorough Kremlinology on all the episodes for clues.
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Post by cappadocius on Nov 4, 2015 17:19:28 GMT -5
So you're REALLY not interested in Pink Diamond or Centipeetle's Gem. Peridemption?
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Post by Hippo on Nov 4, 2015 17:24:53 GMT -5
I'm interested to a point, I mean it's fun unraveling a mystery but I'm focused on Peridemption, that's where the plot is so it's where my focus is, gives me something to work towards so my expectations don't get built up way high and it's still a surprise when it comes up.
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Post by Lemminkainen on Nov 5, 2015 1:35:05 GMT -5
So you're REALLY not interested in Pink Diamond or Centipeetle's Gem. Peridemption? Pink Diamond? I don't do all this tumblr stuff so I have no idea what this means, or what the significance of Steven's one-time monster pet is. I would support further Peridot shenanigans, however. |
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Post by cappadocius on Nov 6, 2015 16:31:17 GMT -5
So you're REALLY not interested in Pink Diamond or Centipeetle's Gem. Peridemption? Pink Diamond? I don't do all this tumblr stuff so I have no idea what this means, or what the significance of Steven's one-time monster pet is. I would support further Peridot shenanigans, however. Pink Diamond Theory is that "Rose Quartz" is a nom de guerre chosen by Pink Diamond when she rebelled against the other members of the Diamond Authority, starting the Gem Civil War. Pink Diamond got a major boost amongst fence sitters when Peridot explained that Quartzes are basically big, dumb, loyal soldiers created on worlds other than Homeworld. Centipeetle is a precious cinnamon bun, too good for this world. Her fans want her to be the first corrupted gem restored by Steven "Gem Jesus" Universe, and there is much discussion of what and where her gem is on her uncorrupted form. I'm an Emerald/Throat Chakra guy, myself. We're clearly in the middle of Peri's arc, and the fandom is divided on whether it's going to be a redemption arc (hence, Peridemption), or a sudden but inevitable betrayal. Both have would be keeping in theme with the anime that Sugar grew up on, so it really is something that could go either way. There's schisms in both parties, but no real feeling that it might go some other way. |
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Post by Hippo on Nov 6, 2015 16:39:30 GMT -5
The fandom is an odd beast, at least you can make sense of it in a way I could but can't put the effort in. Every episode of SU is emotionally draining for so many reasons, it's why I haven't gone back and rewatched any, I'm never prepared!
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Post by cappadocius on Nov 6, 2015 17:08:53 GMT -5
Yeah, there's a lot of stuff, especially in the lore episodes, that you're only going to catch or process on at least one rewatch, or more sometimes, that if you find the episodes emotionally draining I can totally get why you wouldn't be into the theories game.
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Post by Hippo on Nov 7, 2015 0:41:55 GMT -5
I know, most of what I'm gathering is coming off reviews and comments threads there. Sorry, figure I should back out and let you and Twi discuss the stuff.
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Post by cappadocius on Nov 9, 2015 13:04:34 GMT -5
You're more than welcome to stay and talk about things! I'm a theory nerd, but there always other things to talk about!
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Post by Hippo on Nov 9, 2015 13:45:57 GMT -5
Well, if you're leaving the door open then I'll continue while wondering where the heck someone has gotten to. Hey, what do you have to talk about that is not deep gem theory?
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Post by cappadocius on Nov 9, 2015 15:49:33 GMT -5
Oh wow, it's been so long since I've discussed SU somewhere that isn't basically just gem theory and waifus all day. Hm.
What do you think of the songs? Should they happen more often? Less often?
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Post by Hippo on Nov 9, 2015 15:54:05 GMT -5
Songs are a core part of the series and they're usually great and I think they've got the balance about right. If there was more it'd become something of a musical series but less would mean the songs would be more special when one pops up for us to learn their inner feelings through song so they're doing about right.
I'd like more periphery stuff outside the perils the Gems are facing I think, just an episode that's a fun character piece that isn't advancing the plot... maybe a dumb day in the life of Peridot thing.
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Post by Hippo on Jan 1, 2016 1:55:58 GMT -5
Minor notification that another Stevenbomb is coming next week.
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