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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 14:06:22 GMT -5
In case you didn't know this already, I'd avoid the comment section on the story about Lena Dunham's recent apology. There's nothing to be gained there. ...Doesn't seem very objectionable to me?
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Post by Pastafarian on Sept 5, 2016 14:29:01 GMT -5
In case you didn't know this already, I'd avoid the comment section on the story about Lena Dunham's recent apology. There's nothing to be gained there. ...Doesn't seem very objectionable to me? Some highlights then: "so fellas, wouldjya?" "wow, she sounds like a bitch." "Funny thing is... if she would spend the same amount of time in a gym working out that she spends online or phone, she would look good for herself and secure... but no, she rather let herself get fat then bitch and moan about people not looking at her figure.... and she got fans.... wow, fucking world" "She was probably correct in all her assumptions. Even if he did know her he very well have felt she was sexually unappealing. Just look at her. I'm sure there are many people, both male and female, who would find her sexually unappealing. Is this how she values herself." "It's one thing to say beauty is skin deep but that doesn't play when your personality is as blatantly awful as hers." "Can you imagine her outrage had the evening went the other way? Had he talked to her? Or (gasp!) even maybe playfully hit on her? Odell: Hi, I'm Odell Beckham Jr. *reaches to shake her hand, Lena leans away from him* Lena: What? What are you doing? Are you trying to touch me? Odell: I'm sorry, I didn't mean anything by it, I was just trying to be friendly. Lena: You think you can sit there and sexualize me like I'm a piece of, um, sex meat? You athletes are all the same! Viewing women as sex objects! And another thing... *Odell gathers his things and leaves* Lena: Oh, and now you run away! From a strong woman!"
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Sept 5, 2016 16:22:41 GMT -5
The only response to the Dunham kerfluffle (seriously, people, just don’t give her attention) is, strangely, Nathan Rabin’s. Seriously sometimes mockery is often deconstruction enough.
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Post by Pastafarian on Sept 5, 2016 17:34:51 GMT -5
The only response to the Dunham kerfluffle (seriously, people, just don’t give her attention) is, strangely, Nathan Rabin’s. Seriously sometimes mockery is often deconstruction enough. Now that's just the right amount of snark.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Sept 6, 2016 3:49:23 GMT -5
The only response to the Dunham kerfluffle (seriously, people, just don’t give her attention) is, strangely, Nathan Rabin’s. Seriously sometimes mockery is often deconstruction enough. Now that's just the right amount of snark. Nice one: guess he'd had his full dose of Faygo when he wrote that.
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Post by Pastafarian on Sept 6, 2016 5:51:46 GMT -5
Anyone else notice the extremely misleading click-baity headline in the Random Roles with Alison Pill?
"Playing Lindsay Lohan’s best friend almost made Alison Pill quit acting"
Not quite.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Sept 6, 2016 11:28:58 GMT -5
I'm seeing double! Two 'Save The Watercooler' links!!
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Post by Post-Lupin on Sept 6, 2016 13:04:35 GMT -5
Also, that piece sets a new standard for Worst Listicle On TOC Evar.
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Post by Logoboros on Sept 6, 2016 17:51:37 GMT -5
Hah! They changed the Alison Pill headline. Of course, no acknowledgment of said change in the article.
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Post by Invisible Goat on Sept 7, 2016 10:10:14 GMT -5
Supper Club
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Post by ganews on Sept 7, 2016 11:10:57 GMT -5
I was prepared to give it a fair shake even though I don't think it fits the website. But now the front page supper club articles say "Sponsored by Hormel" and have an autoplaying (if muted) banner video, so fuck that. ETA: kind of the most ridiculous thing is that it's now first in the alphabetical banner menu: Food : Film : TV Club : Music : Comedy : Books : Games One of those things doesn't fit. One might argue they're taking a page from us / Ye Olde TI / AVCAD(?). But unless they're going to be interviewing world-class chefs and reviewing restaurants (as opposed to Top Ten Fast Food) I don't see it.
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Post by Bedroom Pastrami on Sept 7, 2016 11:20:39 GMT -5
Might be time to take the ol' website out to pasture.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Sept 7, 2016 12:22:52 GMT -5
I was prepared to give it a fair shake even though I don't think it fits the website. But now the front page supper club articles say "Sponsored by Hormel" and have an autoplaying (if muted) banner video, so fuck that. ETA: kind of the most ridiculous thing is that it's now first in the alphabetical banner menu: Food : Film : TV Club : Music : Comedy : Books : Games One of those things doesn't fit. One might argue they're taking a page from us / Ye Olde TI / AVCAD(?). But unless they're going to be interviewing world-class chefs and reviewing restaurants (as opposed to Top Ten Fast Food) I don't see it. I can see a place for it: we talk about food every Wednesday at length. And a section for good, healthy recipes on a tight budget would both be interesting and could actually help people, for example. But comment-blocked clickbait ads? Get tae fuck. (428 comments on the We Like Food And Here's Why You Should, Too article; 477 at Reasonable Discussions. At least bitching about it is getting them clicks...)
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Post by ganews on Sept 7, 2016 12:52:08 GMT -5
But comment-blocked clickbait ads? Get tae fuck. They're not comment-blocked. I read one to be fair-minded. But it's not a good look when 6/8 of featured articles on the front page have the Hormel label at the base of the article picture.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Sept 7, 2016 13:39:22 GMT -5
But comment-blocked clickbait ads? Get tae fuck. They're not comment-blocked. I read one to be fair-minded. But it's not a good look when 6/8 of featured articles on the front page have the Hormel label at the base of the article picture. Huh. That's something, at least.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 13:42:45 GMT -5
Sigh.
I mean, I understand the AVC's food thing. I remember the heady days of IES Chang. I totally wouldn't mind a bunch of food articles that were of the quality the AVC used to be good at, even though 99.99999% of what the AVC would write about isn't something that I'd be directly consuming what with the whole vegan thing. I'd still enjoy reading them from time to time if they were good.
But..."ZOMG GUYS WE RANKED ALL OF DAIRY QUEEN®'S AMAZING BLIZZARDS™ WITH POINTS!" "Here's a video about BACON that you can't comment on SPONSORED BY HORMEL®'S PATENTED FOODBACON™!" "Thrill as we MICROWAVE A FORTUNE COOKIE!"
This is just garbage on the level of GJ,I! and the like.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 13:44:52 GMT -5
They're not comment-blocked. The videos are, even the fortune cookie one which seems to *not* be sponsored.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Sept 7, 2016 13:52:29 GMT -5
Whatever else you say about We Love Food And Here's Why You Should, Too, it was a great excuse to dig out The AV Club Cookbook.
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Post by pairesta on Sept 7, 2016 13:54:00 GMT -5
I guess in principle I'm kind of excited about it, but yeah, all the sponsored content tabs on every article and then making it fairly fast food centric gives me pause.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 14:00:21 GMT -5
Went there with AdBlock turned off for the full effect - the massive autoplaying Hormel video ad takes up more room than the Supper Club header image does.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Sept 7, 2016 14:33:42 GMT -5
So the new Food Guy, Kevin Pang, is a refugee from the Chicago Tribune. I've followed his writing online for years (and I follow him on twitter). He really loves to talk food. (I almost feel like he talked the AVC into trying this section out?) I like to talk food. Food is culture, after all - we talk about Guy Fieri, there's Taste Test, why not a food section?
That said, Hormel sponsorship is definitely tacky.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 14:42:02 GMT -5
GAH
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Post by Judkins Moaner on Sept 7, 2016 19:13:46 GMT -5
One of the mothership commenters mentioned that he (?) couldn't see the Reasonable Discussions link on the front page for the longest time. I couldn't either. It's back up now, but I'm starting to wonder if we're being sent messages.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Sept 7, 2016 19:43:58 GMT -5
GAH I really hope Supper Club doesn't publish articles THAT frequently on a regular basis. That was way too much for one day.
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Post by monodrone on Sept 8, 2016 7:41:58 GMT -5
Did you know there are three different ways to cook bacon? WERE YOU EVEN AWARE??
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Post by ganews on Sept 8, 2016 8:05:55 GMT -5
I guess in principle I'm kind of excited about it, but yeah, all the sponsored content tabs on every article and then making it fairly fast food centric gives me pause. Day 2 and they're ranking Dairy Queen Blizzards. That doesn't bode well. Can't they just do this as a once-a-week or something? If what is to be a significant fraction of your content is covering the lowest form of the category (fast food), what does it say about the quality of art you're supposedly covering in the other categories? Sure you've got MWOF and such, but at least that and other articles about movies, TV, music, and books are a critical dissection.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Sept 8, 2016 9:38:40 GMT -5
So it’s Star Trek’s fiftieth anniversary today and apparently all they’re doing is a GJI and a tossed-off newswire about stamps. Checking the AVC this morning felt like I looking at the daytime TV of websites. It’s gotten to the point where there’s basically no recognition, which is a shame because even recently it seemed like they were having a bit of a mini-renaissance of sorts (and, like Pedantic Editor Type , I like Pang’s stuff and his presence was enough to make me cautiously optimistic about Supper Club, but the fast foodiness is putting me off). One of the mothership commenters mentioned that he (?) couldn't see the Reasonable Discussions link on the front page for the longest time. I couldn't either. It's back up now, but I'm starting to wonder if we're being sent messages. One thing that’s kind of odd is that, if you’re a site that’s aiming to get a wide audience through social media (i.e. basically every site except those with paid subscriptions of some form) there’s basically no reward for having a loyal readership anymore and the best approach is to spray as much out as possible. So that model has no need for comments—which are meant to build loyalty (not just among commenters but the much-larger community of lurkers), and given the volume of both GJI and newswire these days none of them can really accrue decent comments, either (I remember talking with Nathan Ford’s Evil Twin about this a couple of years ago). So while I’m pretty sure there’s no “message” they’re trying to send by forgetting Reasonable Discussions or Pop-Culture Weekend or letting them slide off the page, it does show that they’re a low priority. There was that gleefully threatening tone from the author of that newswire about NPR getting rid of its comments, though—we already saw an attempt to minimize comments during Star Wars week, we’re already seeing more articles without comments, and I’m pretty sure the day where comments disappear from the AVC entirely is coming soon.
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Post by ganews on Sept 8, 2016 10:47:52 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 11:16:32 GMT -5
Yeah, seriously, it's the 50th anniversary of one of the most significant sci-fi franchises in all of entertainment history, and the best they've done thus far is a half-assed newswire about stamps and a GJ,I. But, thankfully, they're letting us know which Blizzard is the best.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Sept 8, 2016 11:17:37 GMT -5
Yeah, seriously, it's the 50th anniversary of one of the most significant sci-fi franchises in all of entertainment history, and the best they've done thus far is a half-assed newswire about stamps and a GJ,I. But, thankfully, they're letting us know which Blizzard is the best. There may be more coming. There's now a GJI about William Shatner outtakes, too.
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