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Post by dwarfoscar on Sept 21, 2017 13:44:29 GMT -5
I dunno if this is unpopular, per se, but I don't think it's a super common opinion to have: Inland Empire is one of the best movies of all time. Inland Empire is the worst Lynch movie. Inland Empire is the most Lynch movie (and it's awesome)
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Post by Ben Grimm on Sept 21, 2017 13:48:56 GMT -5
I've only ever seen one episode of Black Mirror and it was San Junipero and that's the only episode I will ever need to watch. I hadn't heard all that much about Black Mirror except that it was Twilight Zone like, so when I was visiting my parents over Xmas a year or two back I thought I'd show it to them, since they were big Twilight Zone fans. The first episode is, of course, Rory Kinnear as the PM fucking a pig. I don't think they've watched any more of it.
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Post by The Sensational She-Hulk on Sept 21, 2017 14:14:56 GMT -5
I've only ever seen one episode of Black Mirror and it was San Junipero and that's the only episode I will ever need to watch. I hadn't heard all that much about Black Mirror except that it was Twilight Zone like, so when I was visiting my parents over Xmas a year or two back I thought I'd show it to them, since they were big Twilight Zone fans. The first episode is, of course, Rory Kinnear as the PM fucking a pig. I don't think they've watched any more of it. Yeah, I only watched San Junipero because it A) featured a romantic relationship between two women and B) it didn't have a horrible ending where everyone wound up miserable, single, and/or dead. It's one of the best short films I've ever seen, and I don't feel the need to seek out any more. I got what I needed and wanted from Black Mirror, and now I cry (out of happiness) every time I hear "Heaven Is a Place On Earth".
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Sept 21, 2017 14:18:04 GMT -5
I've only ever seen one episode of Black Mirror and it was San Junipero and that's the only episode I will ever need to watch. I've watched....eh, three or four episodes, and it was just so relentlessly negative. Not in a way that made me think or left me shaken, in the way that ~edgy~ 14-year-old wanna-be writers are. It came across to me very impressed with its own dark and gritty and ~~~unflinching~~~ ness. I'm not against a "what if everything was bad?" narrative, but you need more than "LOOK HOW BAD WE MADE THIS".
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Sept 21, 2017 14:18:44 GMT -5
I've only ever seen one episode of Black Mirror and it was San Junipero and that's the only episode I will ever need to watch. I hadn't heard all that much about Black Mirror except that it was Twilight Zone like, so when I was visiting my parents over Xmas a year or two back I thought I'd show it to them, since they were big Twilight Zone fans. The first episode is, of course, Rory Kinnear as the PM fucking a pig. I don't think they've watched any more of it. I wanted it to be The Twilight Zone, but instead it's Harold Lauder's short stories.
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Sept 21, 2017 14:34:13 GMT -5
I dunno if this is unpopular, per se, but I don't think it's a super common opinion to have: Inland Empire is one of the best movies of all time. Inland Empire is the worst Lynch movie. It's my favorite. Second favorite, if you count Twin Peaks episodes as movies (I'd put "Lonely Souls" above it). Inland Empire doesn't need a plot, it's just pure emotion and strangeness. It captures what dreams feel like better than anything else he's done. The scene set to Chrysta Bell's "Polish Poem" is one of his most powerful endings, IMO.
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Sept 21, 2017 14:42:20 GMT -5
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Post by The Sensational She-Hulk on Sept 21, 2017 14:43:05 GMT -5
I wanted it to be The Twilight Zone, but instead it's Harold Lauder's short stories. This is one of my favorite burns of all time, just so you know.
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Post by Invisible Goat on Sept 21, 2017 15:51:50 GMT -5
It's good actually
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Post by dwarfoscar on Sept 21, 2017 16:10:32 GMT -5
OK I like Black Mirror a lot, but that's really funny.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 16:11:40 GMT -5
Inland Empire is the worst Lynch movie. It's my favorite. Second favorite, if you count Twin Peaks episodes as movies (I'd put "Lonely Souls" above it). Inland Empire doesn't need a plot, it's just pure emotion and strangeness. It captures what dreams feel like better than anything else he's done. The scene set to Chrysta Bell's "Polish Poem" is one of his most powerful endings, IMO. I've never once woke up after one of my dreams and thought, that would make a good movie, the opposite has happened a few times though.
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Post by dwarfoscar on Sept 21, 2017 16:15:51 GMT -5
It's my favorite. Second favorite, if you count Twin Peaks episodes as movies (I'd put "Lonely Souls" above it). Inland Empire doesn't need a plot, it's just pure emotion and strangeness. It captures what dreams feel like better than anything else he's done. The scene set to Chrysta Bell's "Polish Poem" is one of his most powerful endings, IMO. I've never once woke up after one of my dreams and thought, that would make a good movie, the opposite has happened a few times though. Thinking a movie would make a good dream ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 16:18:55 GMT -5
I've never once woke up after one of my dreams and thought, that would make a good movie, the opposite has happened a few times though. Thinking a movie would make a good dream ? No, my dream would make for a bad movie. I don't really care for dream sequences already, it is people trying to make nonsense that has a "point". Dreams are way too obtuse, at least in fiction, that 2 hours or more would really make for something enjoyable or satisfying, imo.
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Sept 21, 2017 17:13:46 GMT -5
It's my favorite. Second favorite, if you count Twin Peaks episodes as movies (I'd put "Lonely Souls" above it). Inland Empire doesn't need a plot, it's just pure emotion and strangeness. It captures what dreams feel like better than anything else he's done. The scene set to Chrysta Bell's "Polish Poem" is one of his most powerful endings, IMO. I've never once woke up after one of my dreams and thought, that would make a good movie, the opposite has happened a few times though. If you've ever woken up from a dream with a weird combination of intense emotions that you can't pinpoint or explain but which are incredibly vivid and sort of haunt you all day, that's what Inland Empire is. Thinking a movie would make a good dream ? No, my dream would make for a bad movie. I don't really care for dream sequences already, it is people trying to make nonsense that has a "point". Dreams are way too obtuse, at least in fiction, that 2 hours or more would really make for something enjoyable or satisfying, imo. I don't think there's a filmmaker alive who makes dream sequences as eerie and powerful as David Lynch does, and the "point" is the feeling of it, not the literal meaning. It's not just "weird things happening," he actually captures what it feels like, and makes a whole world out of it you can get lost in. That's why I don't mind Twin Peaks season 3 being as slow-moving as it is, or Inland Empire being 3 hours long - you can immerse yourself in them. I don't watch Inland Empire the way I watch other movies. It's just feeling, nothing else, and I think it's beautiful.
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Sept 21, 2017 17:27:02 GMT -5
[li]Answering the question of whether the Xenomorphs are evolved or developed, intelligent or instinctive, completely strips away what makes them a compelling threat in the first place. So they were developed by a crazy-ass android in a cave somewhere. Big fucking whoop. Arrrgh! It reduces them to the status of "any other monster" and takes away the thing that made them a unique cinematic creation - their ambiguity. Of all the sins this appalling misjudged waste of space commits, this is the worst. I actively refuse to call the alien from Alien a "xenomorph" for precisely this reason. It's the alien!
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Sept 21, 2017 17:38:29 GMT -5
Also
Of the thirteen episodes of Black Mirror, I'd argue that maybe six* are fantastic, six are okay, and one is "Playtest." So it is definitely the 21st-century update of The Twilight Zone in the sense that when people (myself included) say they love Black Mirror they mean "I love the good episodes of Black Mirror and have decided to ignore entirely the 50% of the show which is not very good."
* 15 Million Merits, Be Right Back, White Bear, Nosedive, San Junipero, and of course, the pig-fucking one.
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Sept 21, 2017 20:02:43 GMT -5
That...is beauty incarnate.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 20:21:50 GMT -5
Black Mirror only has one pig fucking episode, so of course it sucks.
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Post by Albert Fish Taco on Sept 22, 2017 14:49:08 GMT -5
Black Mirror only has one pig fucking episode, so of course it sucks. When the Prime Minister isn't around all the other characters should be asking where he is, and casually bringing up that time he had to fuck a pig. Even in episodes set in the distant dystopian future where the Westminster system of governance has been replaced by some sort of totalitarian version of X Factor.
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Post by LazBro on Sept 29, 2017 13:53:24 GMT -5
Here goes ... Adam Sandler's That's My Boy was pretty funny. Even though the character was a child-man asshole, he was a surprisingly likable one, and compared to the schlubby non-characters he plays in most of his recent movies, it didn't feel like he was playing "Adam Sandler." It was an actual character. Also, the extended Vanilla Ice cameo was golden.
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Post by Post-St. Patty's Day Bloat on Sept 29, 2017 18:04:11 GMT -5
Rushmore wasn't bad. It just wasn't much of anything. Not funny. Not endearing. Not even all that interesting. It's just... there. I'd much rather watch Bottle Rocket.
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Post by louiebb on Sept 30, 2017 12:48:42 GMT -5
Rushmore wasn't bad. It just wasn't much of anything. Not funny. Not endearing. Not even all that interesting. It's just... there. I'd much rather watch Bottle Rocket. I've never agreed with an eggplant more. At least one that wasn't smothered in cheese and tomato sauce.
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Oct 5, 2017 10:30:18 GMT -5
Pixar Edition:
I don't like Ratatouille. I can't get over the fact that it's a rat. IT'S A RAT.
The Incredibles is not amazing, and the "where is my supersuit?" scene is frankly just teeth-grindingly sexist. HAHA how hilarious his utterly unseen wife is a shrew!
Up is not all that and the beginning is not only ruthlessly manipulative, but annoying as fuck for any number of reasons.
Wall-E is boring af.
COME AT ME
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Post by dwarfoscar on Oct 5, 2017 10:58:07 GMT -5
Pixar Edition: I don't like Ratatouille. I can't get over the fact that it's a rat. IT'S A RAT. The Incredibles is not amazing, and the "where is my supersuit?" scene is frankly just teeth-grindingly sexist. HAHA how hilarious his utterly unseen wife is a shrew! Up is not all that and the beginning is not only ruthlessly manipulative, but annoying as fuck for any number of reasons. Wall-E is boring af. COME AT ME I held The Incredibles in incredibly high esteem for a more than a decade. Then I rewatched it and thought it was merely fine. The action is good, but the movie's not that funny. The well-regarded Pixar movies I could do without are the two where there's a fish to be found. The shat-upon Pixar movie I really like is Cars 2
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Post by LazBro on Oct 5, 2017 11:04:19 GMT -5
Pixar Edition: I don't like Ratatouille. I can't get over the fact that it's a rat. IT'S A RAT. The Incredibles is not amazing, and the "where is my supersuit?" scene is frankly just teeth-grindingly sexist. HAHA how hilarious his utterly unseen wife is a shrew! Up is not all that and the beginning is not only ruthlessly manipulative, but annoying as fuck for any number of reasons. Wall-E is boring af. COME AT ME I don't like Ratatouille either. It would definitely be on the lesser end of Pixar's output for me. I find it bland and boring, and not very funny. As a "foodie guy" this does make me an outcast among my peers. Wall-E, however, is front-to-back joy, and you are wrong. (And while, yeah, it's sexist, screaming "You tell me where my [redacted] is, woman!" is a gift that keeps on giving. In my household, at least.)
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Post by ComradePig on Oct 5, 2017 13:00:09 GMT -5
Alien: Covenant is a complete piece of shit movie, and I am at a complete loss to explain the critical warm reaction it received. Let me count the ways... - It's completely derivative of every other Alien movie ever made - almost every single action piece that's done here has been seen before and is done less well that previous Alien movies. The redo-the-chestbuster-but-from-the-back is especially lamentable, regardless of the quality of the special effects, and as for the eject-the-alien-into-space as the movie's climax.... fuck right off.
- Everyone has to be astonishingly blind and/or stupid not to notice that David is, in fact, a massively crazy android who's obviously, massively crazy. Fine, forgive Walter for wanting to believe in his "brother" (in scenes achingly, tediously familiar to anyone who's seen Data and Lore meet up on Star Trek: The Next Generation, and they weren't exactly a highlight there), but the rest of them? Come. The. Fuck. On.
- The editing is often blurred-to-incomprehensible.... especially when it comes to establishing timelines, like the Engineers being pointlessly wiped out in about fifteen hair-tearingly-pointless seconds.
- Katherine Waterston is a feeble clone of action stars - not just Ripley, though also, but any action star, and radiates exactly zero screen presence.
- The rest of the cast are worthless one-note nothings (sole exception: Michael Fassbender, who is uniformly brilliant and needs to be in better Alien movies than this worthless waste of celluloid), who tick exactly one characteristic to mark them apart and have absolutely nothing else going for them.
- *takes deep breath*
- That opening sequence, with the solar sails? Terrific, new to the Alien franchise, and briefly feels like the series is breaking proper, new ground. The distorted comm suddenly being English? Also really well handled, and the only moment of genuine creepiness in the movie. This is... ten minutes into the movie, maybe? Then we get the same series of stupid people making stupid mistakes for stupid reasons in a stupid script that so marred Prometheus. While I do admire the opening scenes on the ship, they also simply serve to highlight how everything else here is just a join-the-dots, cut-and-paste, search-and-replace version of every preceding movie. Prometheus is a bad movie for the most part, but at least it's a genuinely ambitious failure. This? It's like the William Burroughs Cut-Up Technique applied to films rather than song lyrics.
- Answering the question of whether the Xenomorphs are evolved or developed, intelligent or instinctive, completely strips away what makes them a compelling threat in the first place. So they were developed by a crazy-ass android in a cave somewhere. Big fucking whoop. Arrrgh! It reduces them to the status of "any other monster" and takes away the thing that made them a unique cinematic creation - their ambiguity. Of all the sins this appalling misjudged waste of space commits, this is the worst.
OK fine, I'll stop ranting. But this film actively makes me angry, not just because it's so worthless, but because it does active, real damage to the franchine. Sadly, I shall never watch another new Alien movie again. Even Alien vs Predator: Sharknado Prelude (or whatever the fuck it was called) didn't manage to achieve that. This right here. The main problem with these movies for me is always the question of, who cares? The franchise nerd compulsion to need to explain each and every aspect of any given universe is completely intolerable, never stopping to ask "does answering these questions actually make for a compelling or at least entertaining story" and instead just churning out films that seem too exist solely so 'holes' in the canon can be filled in.
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Post by ganews on Oct 5, 2017 14:28:20 GMT -5
AVC has an article today listing the 35 best sci-fi movies since Blade Runner, so I thought I'd post my selected rebuttal: 31. The Host (2006) - I couldn't even make it to the hour mark, I'm pretty sure. 29. Snowpiercer (2013) - Interesting set-pieces, amusing performances, utterly ridiculous. Not worth watching more than one. So many movies that ought to replace these two on this list. 19. Videodrome (1983) - Pretty good as an art piece but I'm be concerned about someone who was really into it. 18. Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) - Fine movie but an absolute crime that it still gets ranked better than the original. Ahnold and Edward Furlong are the center of the movie and the worst parts of a great cast. 4. Aliens (1986) - Great movie, also not better than the original, also over-ranked because of quotable lines. 8. Primer (2004) - No opinion except it's obviously filling the talky-technical role on this list that should have gone to The Martian, which got penalized for being a crowd-pleaser instead of an indie.
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Post by Kangaroosevelt-Ecks on Oct 5, 2017 15:32:25 GMT -5
Pixar Edition: I don't like Ratatouille. I can't get over the fact that it's a rat. IT'S A RAT. The Incredibles is not amazing, and the "where is my supersuit?" scene is frankly just teeth-grindingly sexist. HAHA how hilarious his utterly unseen wife is a shrew! Up is not all that and the beginning is not only ruthlessly manipulative, but annoying as fuck for any number of reasons. Wall-E is boring af. COME AT ME On the flip side - The Good Dinosaur is not a groundbreaking high-concept Pixar think-piece bonanza in any way - and yet it's one of their most heartfelt, honest films. Overshadowed by the way-inferior, gimmicky and emotionally false Inside Out.
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Post by The Sensational She-Hulk on Oct 5, 2017 15:51:17 GMT -5
Pixar Edition: I don't like Ratatouille. I can't get over the fact that it's a rat. IT'S A RAT. I don't like Ratatouille either. It would definitely be on the lesser end of Pixar's output for me. I find it bland and boring, and not very funny. As a "foodie guy" this does make me an outcast among my peers. I love Ratatouille. But then, I've worked in restaurant kitchens, so a lot of it is very funny to me for very specific reasons. Also, its depiction of food is absolutely gorgeous; I remember gasping in the theater when I saw a trailer and they panned across the kitchen. It looked so real! And I really do like the "everyone can cook" theme, because I feel like too many people get intimidated by cooking so they don't even want to try. But I totally get why people are put off by a rat.
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Post by Prole Hole on Oct 5, 2017 15:53:22 GMT -5
AVC has an article today listing the 35 best sci-fi movies since Blade Runner, so I thought I'd post my selected rebuttal: 31. The Host (2006) - I couldn't even make it to the hour mark, I'm pretty sure. 29. Snowpiercer (2013) - Interesting set-pieces, amusing performances, utterly ridiculous. Not worth watching more than one. So many movies that ought to replace these two on this list. 19. Videodrome (1983) - Pretty good as an art piece but I'm be concerned about someone who was really into it. 18. Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) - Fine movie but an absolute crime that it still gets ranked better than the original. Ahnold and Edward Furlong are the center of the movie and the worst parts of a great cast. 4. Aliens (1986) - Great movie, also not better than the original, also over-ranked because of quotable lines. 8. Primer (2004) - No opinion except it's obviously filling the talky-technical role on this list that should have gone to The Martian, which got penalized for being a crowd-pleaser instead of an indie. I tried to read that list but my eyes were rolling so heavily I couldn't actually get through much of it. But I guess, since we're on unpopular opinions... 24. Inception - Sorry, no. Inception is a boring, dreary film largely saved by special effects, but it's not remotely more intelligent or well put together than, say, Dark City (which ought to be on the list), or even The Matrix. The special effects are great, but this feels like watching a succession of cut-scenes from a console game. 23. Edge Of Tomorrow - Ha ha ha ha. No. 16. Minority Report - see 23 2. The Matrix. No. The second-best post-Bladerunner film? Come the fuck on now. It's a good - maybe even great - movie, and highly entertaining, but this placement is just absurd. Or trolling. Two things etc And I agree Alien >>> Aliens (and Aliens is a great movie). But one thing I will say - top marks for having Under The Skin on the list.
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