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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Oct 5, 2017 16:01:53 GMT -5
Pixar Edition: I don't like Ratatouille. I can't get over the fact that it's a rat. IT'S A RAT. The Incredibles is not amazing, and the "where is my supersuit?" scene is frankly just teeth-grindingly sexist. HAHA how hilarious his utterly unseen wife is a shrew! Up is not all that and the beginning is not only ruthlessly manipulative, but annoying as fuck for any number of reasons. Wall-E is boring af. COME AT ME On the flip side - The Good Dinosaur is not a groundbreaking high-concept Pixar think-piece bonanza in any way - and yet it's one of their most heartfelt, honest films. Overshadowed by the way-inferior, gimmicky and emotionally false Inside Out. Oh I forgot about The Good Dinosaur. Eh, I disliked that as well. My suspension of disbelief point is apparently agregarian dinosaurs.
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Post by The Sensational She-Hulk on Oct 5, 2017 16:01:55 GMT -5
Also, Robin Hood is the best Disney movie. Fight me. You know you wanna bang that fox.
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Post by dwarfoscar on Oct 5, 2017 16:28:53 GMT -5
Pixar Edition: I don't like Ratatouille. I can't get over the fact that it's a rat. IT'S A RAT. The Incredibles is not amazing, and the "where is my supersuit?" scene is frankly just teeth-grindingly sexist. HAHA how hilarious his utterly unseen wife is a shrew! Up is not all that and the beginning is not only ruthlessly manipulative, but annoying as fuck for any number of reasons. Wall-E is boring af. COME AT ME On the flip side - The Good Dinosaur is not a groundbreaking high-concept Pixar think-piece bonanza in any way - and yet it's one of their most heartfelt, honest films. Overshadowed by the way-inferior, gimmicky and emotionally false Inside Out. WHERE IS THE THUMBS DOWN BUTTON ?
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Post by Kangaroosevelt-Ecks on Oct 5, 2017 16:31:41 GMT -5
On the flip side - The Good Dinosaur is not a groundbreaking high-concept Pixar think-piece bonanza in any way - and yet it's one of their most heartfelt, honest films. Overshadowed by the way-inferior, gimmicky and emotionally false Inside Out. WHERE IS THE THUMBS DOWN BUTTON ? SUCCESS!
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Post by dwarfoscar on Oct 5, 2017 16:48:04 GMT -5
AVC has an article today listing the 35 best sci-fi movies since Blade Runner, so I thought I'd post my selected rebuttal: 31. The Host (2006) - I couldn't even make it to the hour mark, I'm pretty sure. 29. Snowpiercer (2013) - Interesting set-pieces, amusing performances, utterly ridiculous. Not worth watching more than one. So many movies that ought to replace these two on this list. 19. Videodrome (1983) - Pretty good as an art piece but I'm be concerned about someone who was really into it. 18. Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) - Fine movie but an absolute crime that it still gets ranked better than the original. Ahnold and Edward Furlong are the center of the movie and the worst parts of a great cast. 4. Aliens (1986) - Great movie, also not better than the original, also over-ranked because of quotable lines. 8. Primer (2004) - No opinion except it's obviously filling the talky-technical role on this list that should have gone to The Martian, which got penalized for being a crowd-pleaser instead of an indie. I tried to read that list but my eyes were rolling so heavily I couldn't actually get through much of it. But I guess, since we're on unpopular opinions... 24. Inception - Sorry, no. Inception is a boring, dreary film largely saved by special effects, but it's not remotely more intelligent or well put together than, say, Dark City (which ought to be on the list), or even The Matrix. The special effects are great, but this feels like watching a succession of cut-scenes from a console game. 23. Edge Of Tomorrow - Ha ha ha ha. No. 16. Minority Report - see 23 2. The Matrix. No. The second-best post-Bladerunner film? Come the fuck on now. It's a good - maybe even great - movie, and highly entertaining, but this placement is just absurd. Or trolling. Two things etc And I agree Alien >>> Aliens (and Aliens is a great movie). But one thing I will say - top marks for having Under The Skin on the list. OK, my turn. With a couple more forum members we'll successfully manage to shit on the entire list... 35 - Dune : sucks. Buts that's an unpopular opinion on their side... 33 - Moon : Good little movie ? yep. Top 35 material ? nope 30 - Looper : "You like the time travel stuff ? You'll love the second part of the movie when we forget all about it and decide focus on some fucking evil superpowered child for no reason". Hate that movie. 25 - They Live : plenty of terrific, thought-provoking ideas wasted on a dumb lazy unfunny plot. And don't get me started on that wrestling scene. 12 - Her : heh, I can't get myself to hate it. It's charming enough. But I couldn't suspend my disbelief even for a fraction of a second during the whole movie. Everytime Samantha speaks, I never imagine an A.I., always Scarlett Johansson speaking on a mike inside a booth.
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Post by Prole Hole on Oct 5, 2017 17:37:11 GMT -5
I have two words for you, dwarfoscar, and they are "fuck" and "Looper". Yup, terrible film, I can't believe I didn't slag it off. Vastly over-rated, "stupid smart" (ie looks smart to a stupid person) and just nowhere near as thought-provoking as it thinks it is.
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Post by Post-St. Patty's Day Bloat on Oct 5, 2017 17:58:05 GMT -5
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who thought Looper kinda sucked.
OK, here's a nice, juicy, unpopular opinion: the 2003 Italian Job remake is actually a great bit of fun and endlessly rewatchable (OK, I haven't watched it in about 6 years, but still).
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Post by gillianandersoncpr on Oct 5, 2017 17:59:58 GMT -5
I'm not sure how I feel about Aliens as a sci-if film, not because it doesn't have some genuine science fiction to it but because what makes it great is the action component of it.
Also, the newer Planet of the Apes films should be represented on this list. Dune is the easy cut.
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Post by gillianandersoncpr on Oct 5, 2017 18:17:39 GMT -5
I have two words for you, dwarfoscar , and they are "fuck" and "Looper". Yup, terrible film, I can't believe I didn't slag it off. Vastly over-rated, "stupid smart" (ie looks smart to a stupid person) and just nowhere near as thought-provoking as it thinks it is. Looper is one of those films that I take as evidence of a talented filmmaker, but with some reservations about the film itself. Something is missing to connect the time travel (which is very stylishly played at least) with the superpowers child. It feels like one of those 'planned trilogy awkwardly compressed into single film when studio lost faith in simultaneous shoot' scenarios. If there have actually been any such scenarios, Looper is an example of how they'd end up.
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Post by ganews on Oct 5, 2017 18:46:33 GMT -5
I thought Minority Report was darn good if not especially smart. Edge of Tomorrow was the most fun I'd had with a movie in years until Fury Road came along. I am also a massive Beck fan. And I thought The Master was good. Would anyone like to take a free test that could improve their life? gillianandersoncpr, you look like you might be interested...
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Oct 5, 2017 19:44:31 GMT -5
19. Videodrome (1983) - Pretty good as an art piece but I'm be concerned about someone who was really into it. (sheepishly raises hand)
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Oct 5, 2017 19:49:05 GMT -5
Also, since The Matrix was inexplicably number 2 on that list, let me express my very eloquent opinion on the Sisters Wachowski: fuck them.
Also also, I really liked Inception. I don't know why it's the one Nolan film people like to rag on and not, like, Memento, but it's an enjoyable film with a lot of fun setpieces.
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Post by LazBro on Oct 5, 2017 22:40:21 GMT -5
I don't hate the list at all, though as even Ricky pointed out, it's very obviously missing Gattaca. I'd put Arrival closer to the top spot. And where the hell is The Fifth. Fucking. Element?!
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Post by gillianandersoncpr on Oct 6, 2017 0:17:48 GMT -5
I don't hate the list at all, though as even Ricky pointed out, it's very obviously missing Gattaca. I'd put Arrival closer to the top spot. And where the hell is The Fifth. Fucking. Element?!If we can argue that The Fifth Element is sci-fi, then it should be high on that list. If it gets stuck as 'merely' fantasy set in space with aliens...that's the only reason why I can accept it being left out.
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Post by Prole Hole on Oct 6, 2017 2:22:11 GMT -5
Also, since The Matrix was inexplicably number 2 on that list, let me express my very eloquent opinion on the Sisters Wachowski: fuck them. Also also, I really liked Inception. I don't know why it's the one Nolan film people like to rag on and not, like, Memento, but it's an enjoyable film with a lot of fun setpieces. Hey I'm happy to rag on lots of Noaln films!
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Oct 6, 2017 8:27:30 GMT -5
Pixar Edition: I don't like Ratatouille. I can't get over the fact that it's a rat. IT'S A RAT. The Incredibles is not amazing, and the "where is my supersuit?" scene is frankly just teeth-grindingly sexist. HAHA how hilarious his utterly unseen wife is a shrew! Up is not all that and the beginning is not only ruthlessly manipulative, but annoying as fuck for any number of reasons. Wall-E is boring af. COME AT ME I don't like Ratatouille either. It would definitely be on the lesser end of Pixar's output for me. I find it bland and boring, and not very funny. As a "foodie guy" this does make me an outcast among my peers. Wall-E, however, is front-to-back joy, and you are wrong. (And while, yeah, it's sexist, screaming "You tell me where my [redacted] is, woman!" is a gift that keeps on giving. In my household, at least.) Honestly I expected to like Wall-E, because I am a sucker for cute little robots, but it just fell so flat with me.
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Post by dwarfoscar on Oct 6, 2017 10:18:52 GMT -5
Rankin'o'clock !
1. Inside Out 2. Up 3. Monsters Inc. 4. Wall-E 5. Toy Story 3 6. Ratatouille 7. Cars 8. Brave 9. Monsters University 10. Cars 2 11. Cars 3 12. The Incredibles 13. Finding Dory 14. A Bug's Life 15. The Good Dinosaur
Not ranking the ones I haven't seen in a while
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 17:01:26 GMT -5
Long time lurker, first time poster.
I wish people would treat Hausu less like a goofy haunted house flick and more like a nightmarish treatise on post-WWII Japan. It's legitimately one of my favorite movies.
GoodFellas is alright, certainly not up to the level of the first two Godfather movies. I actually find The Departed to be a better movie than GoodFellas.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Oct 6, 2017 18:40:26 GMT -5
GoodFellas is alright, certainly not up to the level of the first two Godfather movies. I actually find The Departed to be a better movie than GoodFellas. My issue with Goodfellas is just that I had seen about 900 million things that parodied or referenced it before I finally got around to watching it and that really did a lot to compromise its effectiveness.
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Post by LazBro on Oct 6, 2017 18:54:37 GMT -5
GoodFellas is alright, certainly not up to the level of the first two Godfather movies. I actually find The Departed to be a better movie than GoodFellas. My issue with Goodfellas is just that I had seen about 900 million things that parodied or referenced it before I finally got around to watching it and that really did a lot to compromise its effectiveness. Confirmed: Ben Grimm a huge Mafia! fan.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 20:05:13 GMT -5
Also, since The Matrix was inexplicably number 2 on that list, let me express my very eloquent opinion on the Sisters Wachowski: fuck them. Also also, I really liked Inception. I don't know why it's the one Nolan film people like to rag on and not, like, Memento, but it's an enjoyable film with a lot of fun setpieces. As the years go by the it becomes more clear that Speed Racer is the best Wachowski film.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 20:07:29 GMT -5
AV Club calls Battle Royale a scifi film.
AV Club also said Alien was barely a scifi film in a history of violence post on it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 20:36:00 GMT -5
AV Club calls Battle Royale a scifi film. AV Club also said Alien was barely a scifi film in a history of violence post on it. TO BE FAIR, dystopian fiction is a subset of speculative fiction. Whether that makes it science fiction is up to debate and really depends on the work. Battle Royale kinda rides the line. Alien is definitely a sci-fi film, I don't know what that's about. Only today I realized that Tom Breihan from Stereogum was doing that column.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 21:16:43 GMT -5
AV Club calls Battle Royale a scifi film. AV Club also said Alien was barely a scifi film in a history of violence post on it. TO BE FAIR, dystopian fiction is a subset of speculative fiction. Whether that makes it science fiction is up to debate and really depends on the work. Battle Royale kinda rides the line. Alien is definitely a sci-fi film, I don't know what that's about. Only today I realized that Tom Breihan from Stereogum was doing that column. If Battle Royale is a scifi film so is Live Free or Die Hard.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Oct 7, 2017 0:06:33 GMT -5
AVC has an article today listing the 35 best sci-fi movies since Blade Runner, so I thought I'd post my selected rebuttal: 31. The Host (2006) - I couldn't even make it to the hour mark, I'm pretty sure. 29. Snowpiercer (2013) - Interesting set-pieces, amusing performances, utterly ridiculous. Not worth watching more than one. So many movies that ought to replace these two on this list. 19. Videodrome (1983) - Pretty good as an art piece but I'm be concerned about someone who was really into it. 18. Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) - Fine movie but an absolute crime that it still gets ranked better than the original. Ahnold and Edward Furlong are the center of the movie and the worst parts of a great cast. 4. Aliens (1986) - Great movie, also not better than the original, also over-ranked because of quotable lines. 8. Primer (2004) - No opinion except it's obviously filling the talky-technical role on this list that should have gone to The Martian, which got penalized for being a crowd-pleaser instead of an indie. If we're really going to try to knock off all the films on this list, I can make a valuable contribution, but first, some unpopular thoughts on the rest of the list: 33. Moon - Yeah, it's alright. It's an enjoyable film, but the most interesting character is literally HAL from 2001 under an assumed name. 24. Inception - My unpopular opinion is that it's actually unpopular to like any post-TDK Nolan films, and being part of the backlash against Inception is excessive and tends to vastly underestimate just how widespread that backlash is. 20. Robocop - I've never seen Robocop, probably partly because of how cheap and fake-looking that guy's Robocop suit is. I know the film's 30 years old, but it was a major blockbuster, right? And it looks objectively a lot worse than plenty of other sci-fi films that predate it. 12. Her - It's OK. But if we were all going to lose our shit over a merely OK movie released in the last five years simply because it had a couple of good performances in it, and one of the performances was by Joaquin Phoenix, that movie should've been The Master. It also, just...doesn't really live up to the potential of it's premise, tbh. 10. A.I. Artificial Intelligence - I saw this during the last week of a class when the teacher had nothing for us to do when I was in middle school, and ultimately I ended up missing the much-maligned final scene. While I don't imagine the final scene ruins things that much, based off of the premise, A.I. definitely shouldn't be considered one of the top 10 sci-fi films since Blade Runner. Which leaves us with my most valuable contribution to completing the list, that being: 1. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind - I'm glad that there's a film that calls out literally every other rom-com in history for its creepy bullshit, but Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind just isn't that great of a movie. It's not very funny at all for one thing (I can remember laughing once throughout the whole film), which is a bad thing, given that it's a comedy. Furthermore, the central premise just isn't profound enough, nor the performances good enough, to justify it being seen as one of the greatest sci-fi films of its time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 0:18:17 GMT -5
1. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind - I'm glad that there's a film that calls out literally every other rom-com in history for its creepy bullshit, but Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind just isn't that great of a movie. It's not very funny at all for one thing (I can remember laughing once throughout the whole film), which is a bad thing, given that it's a comedy. Furthermore, the central premise just isn't profound enough, nor the performances good enough, to justify it being seen as one of the greatest sci-fi films of its time. Woo, this one gets my goat.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Oct 7, 2017 0:35:47 GMT -5
OK, so if we're going to try to shit on all the movies from the article that ganews linked, here's the ones that nobody's bashed yet:
34. Battle Royale (Matt questioned whether it was sci-fi, but that's not really shitting on the film or even saying it doesn't belong on the list) 32. The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension 28. Ghost In the Shell (1995 version, not the 2017 Scarlett Johansson remake) 27. Donnie Darko 26. The Terminator 22. Upstream Color 21. Jurassic Park 20. RoboCop (me bashing the film for looking like shit doesn't count since I haven't actually seen the movie, or even attempted to watch the film and failed to get through it) 18. Terminator 2: Judgment Day (yeah, ganews said it's a shame that it's ranked above the original, but he still said it's a good film, and didn't imply that it doesn't belong on this list at all, so I'm not counting his comment as bashing the film) 17. Starship Troopers 15. Arrival 14. The Fly (Jeff Goldblum version, obviously)
13. Under the Skin (weary has since given the film his tepid anti-endorsement) 11. 12 Monkeys 9. Mad Max: Fury Road 8. Primer 6. Children of Men 5. Back to the Future 4. Aliens (nobody has said that it doesn't deserve to be on the list, just that it's a little overrated due to its quotability and that it shouldn't be ranked above Alien, which wasn't actually eligible for this list, since it was released in 1979, three years before Blade Runner) 3. Brazil
I don't include WALL-E on the list because while nobody has bashed WALL-E on this thread yet specifically in reference to the article, Jimmy literally just mentioned that she doesn't like the film a couple of posts before ganews linked the article.
Also, the most egregious snub on this list, which I don't think anyone has mentioned, is Return of the Jedi, which came out the year after Blade Runner, and is better than most (by which I mean all) of these movies. And I'd say that TFA also deserves to be on the list, albeit probably closer to the bottom than the top.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 0:41:08 GMT -5
Also, the most egregious snub on this list, which I don't think anyone has mentioned, is Return of the Jedi, which came out the year after Blade Runner, and is better than most (by which I mean all) of these movies. And I'd say that TFA also deserves to be somewhere near the bottom of the list. Here's a real unpopular opinion for ya:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 0:44:41 GMT -5
Out of the unbashed films, the only one I've seen that I can't say I enjoy is probably, like, Under the Skin.
My tastes are too basic for this thread, sorry gang
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Post by Desert Dweller on Oct 7, 2017 1:58:06 GMT -5
I'm happy to provide the "Starship Troopers sucks!" response. That's the only one of the currently un-bashed films on that list that I can do this for.
Yeah, yeah, "It's a satire". Whatever. It is stupid. No, it obviously isn't subtle satire. I'm not convinced Verhoeven really even intended it to be satire. In any case, I don't even find it funny. The acting is terrible. The dialogue is terrible. And even if this was all on purpose, I still wouldn't like it.
You "Starship Troopers" cultists will never claim me! Never!
Can't bash any of the remaining films. I either love them or haven't seen them.
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