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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 16:14:39 GMT -5
Because it is popular in the movie section.
Seasons 1-2 of legend of korra is better than seasons 3-4.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jul 3, 2016 18:41:50 GMT -5
The first season of Community is the worst of the non-gas-leak seasons.
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Jul 3, 2016 19:22:32 GMT -5
I loved the reimagined Battlestar Galactica from start to finish. Yes, it had bad episodes now and again, but aside from that ugly stretch in the latter half of season 3 they were few and far between. Also the finale was amazing up until the last couple minutes.
Seasons 1 and 3 of Hannibal were incredible but season 2 was the TV equivalent of edging and "Mizumono" was a snooze.
Game of Thrones alternates from my favorite show on TV to an insufferable hatewatch from scene to scene.
I wasn't a huge fan of the Barn setting in Steven Universe. The show just has so much more energy and enthusiasm in Beach City. Also I'm not big into Peridot.
Venture Bros went up its own ass in season 3 and never came back out.
The theme song for Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt is one of the best parts of that show.
30 Rock was funny but I didn't care for any of the characters, and it probably wouldn't crack my top 20 sitcoms.
Sports Night is Aaron Sorkin's best work.
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Post by Paleu on Jul 3, 2016 20:11:26 GMT -5
The first season of Community is the worst of the non-gas-leak seasons. Season 3 is criminally underrated. |
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Jul 3, 2016 20:54:49 GMT -5
I dislike Seinfeld so much I will leave the room when it's on. Same goes for Always Sunny.
Community was just fine.
I wouldn't put Arrested Development in my top five or top ten comedies. It is also just fine.
The State sucked.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jul 3, 2016 21:51:00 GMT -5
Community wasn't anything special.
Note to self, no Always Sunny references around MLA. (If you hate Seinfeld this makes sense.)
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jul 4, 2016 8:11:50 GMT -5
I don't find Bob's Burgers funny at all and don't understand why people love it so much.
Everything I've ever watched that Aaron Sorkin has done I've viscerally hated. Granted, that's why I haven't watched much.
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Post by firstbasemanwho on Jul 4, 2016 13:26:55 GMT -5
I just don't care about anime TV. The only anime show I've watched even a little of is the Pokemon one, which I recognize is not "good".
Seconded on Bob's Burgers.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jul 6, 2016 6:31:50 GMT -5
Alias is a better show about family and espionage than The Americans.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jul 6, 2016 11:30:28 GMT -5
I watched five episodes of Broad City and didn't laugh once. Like Louie's eponymous show, it feels like these kind of personal New York sort of comedies don't have a great deal of humour value for me (enjoyed Master of None, though, so go figure.)
I don't really feel any sadness for the cancelling of Hannibal. I loved the show right from its spectacularly gloomy pilot and enjoyed it pretty much consistently throughout its run, but it felt like over three seasons it had covered most of the ground it could (especially as Fuller was never going to get to do his own version of Silence of the Lambs.) This said the show felt most anchored in the first season when it still had an episodic, procedural elements - later seasons could lose themselves somewhere in the middle before pulling back.
And that it's given him freedom to revive something I have a rather more personal stake in than Hannibal Lecter skews this perspective (this said, I don't particularly care about American Gods, though the cast he's assembled is extremely promising and I'm definitely looking forward to it.)
I didn't like Spartacus much - it peaked at the end of the first season and never recovered from the departure of the first Spartacus; the series finale should have been a bitter bloodbath and not the Moral Victory that I guess goes down better for audiences (Blake's 7 of all things has a better Spartacus ending.) In general I'm kind of sick to death of this kind of heavy handed 300-style history.
I do not understand Doctor Who's appeal, am generally ambivalent about Joss Whedon and on that note teen shows in general, I'd struggle to name a third one I liked after Inbetweeners and Daria.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 20:31:39 GMT -5
Amazing world of gumball is the best current cartoon network show.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Jul 6, 2016 20:34:29 GMT -5
Alias is a better show about family and espionage than The Americans. I know what all those words mean, but that sentence doesn't make any sense! |
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Post by Paleu on Jul 7, 2016 14:38:03 GMT -5
I don't really feel any sadness for the cancelling of Hannibal. I loved the show right from its spectacularly gloomy pilot and enjoyed it pretty much consistently throughout its run, but it felt like over three seasons it had covered most of the ground it could (especially as Fuller was never going to get to do his own version of Silence of the Lambs.) This said the show felt most anchored in the first season when it still had an episodic, procedural elements - later seasons could lose themselves somewhere in the middle before pulling back. I generally find it hard to get upset when something gets cancelled after having three or more good to great seasons. E.G. Hannibal, Arrested Development, the endless hand-wringing over the future of Community... Happy Endings only had two good seasons, though, so I'm still mad about that one. |
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Post by The Stuffingtacular She-Hulk on Jul 7, 2016 14:40:55 GMT -5
Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel don't hold up very well, and Firefly is and has always been lazy, racist fucking garbage.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jul 7, 2016 14:47:47 GMT -5
Re: Hannibal, I LOVED that show, and would've happily watched another season or 2, but it actually ended pretty perfectly, and at least Bryan Fuller got to do it his way and go out on his terms. I still mourn the cancellation of Pushing Daisies. But the thing is, with each cancelled show he's gotten to go on and do better things, and I think American Gods will be pretty awesome.
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Post by ganews on Jul 8, 2016 8:37:43 GMT -5
I assume people liked Firefly at the time because TVTropes didn't exist yet for browsing. Watching/reading them is the same experience.
Black Sails is terribly underrated (have I said that yet today?).
H. Jon Benjamin's has done much great voice work, but his best was on Home Movies.
Live action shows - bar none - are 90% of the reason I stopped watching Adult Swim.
The reboot X-Files episode "Mulder and Scully Meet the Were-Monster" was OK, not great.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jul 9, 2016 0:54:18 GMT -5
Black Sails is terribly underrated (have I said that yet today?). I liked for this. Of the two cultically popular sexy bloody historical shows from Starz this is the one I actually really like. |
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Jul 9, 2016 1:17:21 GMT -5
Most of Doctor Who (original and revival) is quite terrible. Some of it is great, but most of it isn't.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jul 9, 2016 9:42:08 GMT -5
Re: Hannibal, I LOVED that show, and would've happily watched another season or 2, but it actually ended pretty perfectly, and at least Bryan Fuller got to do it his way and go out on his terms. I still mourn the cancellation of Pushing Daisies. But the thing is, with each cancelled show he's gotten to go on and do better things, and I think American Gods will be pretty awesome. I still maintain the Hannibal ending only works if you ship Hannibal/Will: and as I think that ship destroys the core of Will Graham as a character (and ruins the final season retelling of Red Dragon utterly), I am not a fan of the ending at all. |
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Jul 9, 2016 10:52:27 GMT -5
*Oz, for all the boundaries it broke, was pretty terrible and its 'classic' status should simply be for its shock value.
*The second season of Nip/Tuck, despite having all of Ryan Murphy's excesses, was actually quite a bit of soapy fun.
*While I respect the artistry of The Sopranos, its constant dwelling in the most repulsive aspects of human nature (which I normally find interesting) became tedious after two seasons. I stopped watching around then.
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Oh, and I cannot stand the theme song to Orange is the New Black.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jul 9, 2016 11:50:26 GMT -5
Re: Hannibal, I LOVED that show, and would've happily watched another season or 2, but it actually ended pretty perfectly, and at least Bryan Fuller got to do it his way and go out on his terms. I still mourn the cancellation of Pushing Daisies. But the thing is, with each cancelled show he's gotten to go on and do better things, and I think American Gods will be pretty awesome. I still maintain the Hannibal ending only works if you ship Hannibal/Will: and as I think that ship destroys the core of Will Graham as a character (and ruins the final season retelling of Red Dragon utterly), I am not a fan of the ending at all. It's a fair point but it seems like Bryan Fuller himself shipped them, as the whole series was basically Will trying to resist Hannibal's thrall. |
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jul 9, 2016 11:56:04 GMT -5
I still maintain the Hannibal ending only works if you ship Hannibal/Will: and as I think that ship destroys the core of Will Graham as a character (and ruins the final season retelling of Red Dragon utterly), I am not a fan of the ending at all. It's a fair point but it seems like Bryan Fuller himself shipped them, as the whole series was basically Will trying to resist Hannibal's thrall. ...which is fine right up until it reduces the war between Will and Dollarhyde to a whiny menaga-a-trois flirtation. There's no "It's just you and me now, sport"; no "my heart bleeds for him as a child... as an adult, someone should blow the sick fuck out of his socks". Both are reduced because of this. ( Manhunter remains the only adaptation that got this right.) |
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Post by Invisible Goat on Jul 9, 2016 12:09:19 GMT -5
My unpopular opinion is you all have very bad opinions
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Jul 9, 2016 12:35:55 GMT -5
*While I respect the artistry of The Sopranos, its constant dwelling in the most repulsive aspects of human nature (which I normally find interesting) became tedious after two seasons. I stopped watching around then. This is pretty much how I feel about Breaking Bad, though I'd go as far as to say that, stripped of its cinematography, BB is the polar opposite of "prestige" television. I didn't hate season 2 but 1, 3, and 4 were misery-laden messes with no sense of pacing or drama. It's on par with The Walking Dead in its pointlessly bleak and repetitive tedium. I never finished it. |
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Jul 9, 2016 17:23:35 GMT -5
*While I respect the artistry of The Sopranos, its constant dwelling in the most repulsive aspects of human nature (which I normally find interesting) became tedious after two seasons. I stopped watching around then. This is pretty much how I feel about Breaking Bad, though I'd go as far as to say that, stripped of its cinematography, BB is the polar opposite of "prestige" television. I didn't hate season 2 but 1, 3, and 4 were misery-laden messes with no sense of pacing or drama. It's on par with The Walking Dead in its pointlessly bleak and repetitive tedium. I never finished it. Funny enough, Breaking Bad was a series I was so resistant to watch for so many years, but when I sat down and watched it, I got hooked. I will agree that its relentless bleakness could be a bit much, but I think the moment where it all clicked together was the Jane storyline and its tragic end (the penultimate episode of the second season is my favorite of the bunch; 'Ozymandias' is the runner-up). That was the moment where I felt the series really did show its vibrant, beating heart and I loved how its effects could be felt in all the proceeding seasons, which was impressive given how many people met tragic ends on the series. But, I completely get were you are coming from: darkness is great, but unless their is an anchor or at least some sense of black-hearted fun ( Damages is my go-to example), it can feel a bit wearying. |
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Jul 9, 2016 20:27:43 GMT -5
The first season of Community is the worst of the non-gas-leak seasons. Agreed, the first half is middling, it's not til about halfway through that it really came out of its shell. 2 and 3 are near-flawless IMO. Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel don't hold up very well, and Firefly is and has always been lazy, racist fucking garbage. Ouch. Can't lie, that one stings. |
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Jul 11, 2016 6:09:17 GMT -5
It's a fair point but it seems like Bryan Fuller himself shipped them, as the whole series was basically Will trying to resist Hannibal's thrall. ...which is fine right up until it reduces the war between Will and Dollarhyde to a whiny menaga-a-trois flirtation. There's no "It's just you and me now, sport"; no "my heart bleeds for him as a child... as an adult, someone should blow the sick fuck out of his socks". Both are reduced because of this. ( Manhunter remains the only adaptation that got this right.) The chat between you and Pedantic Editor Type did have me consider one thing: It's obvious Fuller would cherry pick from all of the Hannibal Lecter books, even the less popular ones. Given the novel Hannibal ended with that completely WTF Clarice and Hannibal (#Clannibal) pairing, perhaps Fuller building a quasi-romantic/shipping relationship between Will and Hannibal was his quiet homage to that aspect of the original novel. If so, that fact he built that relationship over the course of three seasons is certainly more interesting than Harris simply pulling something similar because he wanted to torpedo his creation. Granted, one could also argue that if this was his homage to that part of Hannibal the novel, whether that tipped the general balancing off for other parts of the series. The ending worked for me, but I can see why it wouldn't for others. |
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jul 11, 2016 8:02:12 GMT -5
...which is fine right up until it reduces the war between Will and Dollarhyde to a whiny menaga-a-trois flirtation. There's no "It's just you and me now, sport"; no "my heart bleeds for him as a child... as an adult, someone should blow the sick fuck out of his socks". Both are reduced because of this. ( Manhunter remains the only adaptation that got this right.) The chat between you and Pedantic Editor Type did have me consider one thing: It's obvious Fuller would cherry pick from all of the Hannibal Lecter books, even the less popular ones. Given the novel Hannibal ended with that completely WTF Clarice and Hannibal (#Clannibal) pairing, perhaps Fuller building a quasi-romantic/shipping relationship between Will and Hannibal was his quiet homage to that aspect of the original novel. If so, that fact he built that relationship over the course of three seasons is certainly more interesting than Harris simply pulling something similar because he wanted to torpedo his creation. Granted, one could also argue that if this was his homage to that part of Hannibal the novel, whether that tipped the general balancing off for other parts of the series. The ending worked for me, but I can see why it wouldn't for others. Fuller definitely used what he wanted from bits of the other non-Silence movies and books, and personally I don't think he had any obligation to stick to Thomas Harris' vision; it was his own creation wrought from the characters. The way show Will was developed I thought the end made perfect sense (even though I did spend several years yelling at Will to break free). I don't see the books as any sort of perfection that Cannot Be Messed With. |
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Jul 11, 2016 8:07:29 GMT -5
The chat between you and Pedantic Editor Type did have me consider one thing: It's obvious Fuller would cherry pick from all of the Hannibal Lecter books, even the less popular ones. Given the novel Hannibal ended with that completely WTF Clarice and Hannibal (#Clannibal) pairing, perhaps Fuller building a quasi-romantic/shipping relationship between Will and Hannibal was his quiet homage to that aspect of the original novel. If so, that fact he built that relationship over the course of three seasons is certainly more interesting than Harris simply pulling something similar because he wanted to torpedo his creation. Granted, one could also argue that if this was his homage to that part of Hannibal the novel, whether that tipped the general balancing off for other parts of the series. The ending worked for me, but I can see why it wouldn't for others. Fuller definitely used what he wanted from bits of the other non-Silence movies and books, and personally I don't think he had any obligation to stick to Thomas Harris' vision; it was his own creation wrought from the characters. The way show Will was developed I thought the end made perfect sense (even though I did spend several years yelling at Will to break free). I don't see the books as any sort of perfection that Cannot Be Messed With. True, and I liked how Fuller seemed to really engage with the books' material and mythology instead of slavishly replicating everything that happened in the novels. That, I personally feel, would have been a misstep given how the works are so wildly divergent in quality, it would look rather haphazard. By going for more a dark Gothic noir borderline fantasy, he could pick what worked with his vision instead of trying to balance all the different tones and developments from the book series. |
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jul 11, 2016 15:33:29 GMT -5
Ice Cream Planet Which is why I think he'll be pretty good with Star Trek, a subject with a vast body of precedence to draw from (of which he's very familiar, as among other things a former Star Trek writer.) It's a formidably large mythology with elements of varying popularity and acceptance and Fuller is one of the few people who might grab from odder sources just to play around with them (not that he'll ever feature, for example, Talaxians, but he actually knows what the Talaxians are.) Regarding Community I liked the second and third seasons the best, after that the first, but I felt like the mind swap episode of season four was a solid good episode that often gets overshadowed by the comparative mediocrity of the season.
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