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Post by rimjobflashmob on Jul 11, 2016 16:06:41 GMT -5
Regarding Community I liked the second and third seasons the best, after that the first, but I felt like the mind swap episode of season four was a solid good episode that often gets overshadowed by the comparative mediocrity of the season. That episode, the Halloween episode, and the Sophie B. Hawkins Dance episode are all considerably better than a lot of early season 1 (and that godawful Apollo 13-KFC parody episode* from season 2). Yeah, the finale was the worst episode the show ever did, but season 4 totally has its moments. *This was the first episode of Community I ever saw and put me off watching it for over a year until I showed up at a friend's apartment and "Pillows and Blankets" was on.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jul 11, 2016 16:39:51 GMT -5
Regarding Community I liked the second and third seasons the best, after that the first, but I felt like the mind swap episode of season four was a solid good episode that often gets overshadowed by the comparative mediocrity of the season. That episode, the Halloween episode, and the Sophie B. Hawkins Dance episode are all considerably better than a lot of early season 1 (and that godawful Apollo 13-KFC parody episode* from season 2). Yeah, the finale was the worst episode the show ever did, but season 4 totally has its moments. *This was the first episode of Community I ever saw and put me off watching it for over a year until I showed up at a friend's apartment and "Pillows and Blankets" was on. I feel like Season 4 had maybe three or four decent episodes (including the body-switching and Sophie B. Hawkins episodes), three or four absolutely terrible episodes, and then the rest of it was just thoroughly mediocre. On the whole though, given the choice between watching the Gas Leak season of Community, or, say, a dozen episodes of Two and a Half Men, I'd absolutely choose the former, so the Gas Leak season really isn't as bad as people make it out to be, imo. That being said, I thought the Gas Leak Halloween episode was one of the really terrible episodes, and it was where I really lost hope for the season going forward.
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Jul 11, 2016 16:58:17 GMT -5
That being said, I thought the Gas Leak Halloween episode was one of the really terrible episodes, and it was where I really lost hope for the season going forward. To be fair, all I remember from that episode is Troy and Abed dressed as Calvin and Hobbes (which, nostalgia blasts are my kryptonite), and Pierce sex-swing jokes, so I could be wearing some rose-colored glasses here. We can all agree that "Conventions of Space and Time" was a disaster, though, right? Right?
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jul 11, 2016 18:53:06 GMT -5
That being said, I thought the Gas Leak Halloween episode was one of the really terrible episodes, and it was where I really lost hope for the season going forward. To be fair, all I remember from that episode is Troy and Abed dressed as Calvin and Hobbes (which, nostalgia blasts are my kryptonite), and Pierce sex-swing jokes, so I could be wearing some rose-colored glasses here. We can all agree that "Conventions of Space and Time" was a disaster, though, right? Right? If that's the one about the convention for that one Dr. Who-esque show, then yes. That one was awful.
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Jul 11, 2016 19:10:47 GMT -5
To be fair, all I remember from that episode is Troy and Abed dressed as Calvin and Hobbes (which, nostalgia blasts are my kryptonite), and Pierce sex-swing jokes, so I could be wearing some rose-colored glasses here. We can all agree that "Conventions of Space and Time" was a disaster, though, right? Right? If that's the one about the convention for that one Dr. Who-esque show, then yes. That one was awful. That one made me so mad. It destroyed all of Annie's character development!
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Post by Nudeviking on Jul 11, 2016 20:47:07 GMT -5
"Binge watching" is a loathsome practice for people with no self control who care little for their own personal hygiene.
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Jul 11, 2016 22:46:37 GMT -5
"Binge watching" is a loathsome practice for people with no self control who care little for their own personal hygiene. Why d'you think I do it?
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jul 12, 2016 5:51:07 GMT -5
We can all agree that "Conventions of Space and Time" was a disaster, though, right? Right? I never liked anything about Inspector Spacetime. Abed's nerdery was always at its most interesting when it was about something real - the time he Dinner With Andre-ed Winger, his love of Farscape making him listen to a guy trying to hit on him, his Rankin-Bass Christmas special hallucination, his role as a Dungeon Master, his argument with a professor as to Who's The Boss, etc. This is why season five beginning with a spiritual sequel to his Who's The Boss subplot - Nicolas Cage, good or bad? - was so refreshing.
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Jul 12, 2016 16:01:17 GMT -5
We can all agree that "Conventions of Space and Time" was a disaster, though, right? Right? I never liked anything about Inspector Spacetime. Abed's nerdery was always at its most interesting when it was about something real - the time he Dinner With Andre-ed Winger, his love of Farscape making him listen to a guy trying to hit on him, his Rankin-Bass Christmas special hallucination, his role as a Dungeon Master, his argument with a professor as to Who's The Boss, etc. This is why season five beginning with a spiritual sequel to his Who's The Boss subplot - Nicolas Cage, good or bad? - was so refreshing. I love that Nic Cage episode. Season 5 fell off hard after Donald Glover left, but the first half is just stacked with classic episodes.
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Post by Squanchy on Jul 23, 2016 18:04:11 GMT -5
I disagree with all of your opinions, even the ones that contradict each other.
That said, Mr. Robot is maudlin, hyperserious claptrap and the show's acclaim is beyond my capacity for comprehension.
Every time someone says the word "hack" without any semblance of irony I die inside.
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Jul 23, 2016 19:17:53 GMT -5
*The first two series of Skins were some of the best British TV programming I've seen in the new millennium and it deserved to win a BAFTA TV Award for Best Television Drama (among many other acting awards; here's looking at you Larissa Wilson, Hannah Murray, and Nicolas Hoult!).
*The first series of Broadchurch was a perfectly adequate murder mystery with a predictably splendid performance from Olivia Coleman that made it seem much better than it was.
*The Killing (Danish version) was a crime drama that so frequently gave into its worse indulgences; it felt like a better acted, torturously longer subplot from an episode of Law & Order. Bron/Broen is the best Scandinavian drama of the past 16 years.
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Post by ganews on Jul 25, 2016 12:05:50 GMT -5
Ballers could definitely be better but is not the worst thing in the world. For what it is, it's frankly silly to expect it to delve too deeply into painkiller addiction, long-term mental health effects, etc.
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Post by ganews on Aug 21, 2016 21:07:32 GMT -5
I can't remember the last time I watched anything scripted on one of the major networks, aside from an episode here and there featuring an actor Wifemate knew in high school. (I really can't remember the last time I liked it so much I kept tuning in.) Nothing this decade, I' pretty sure. Comedies don't interest me much, I guess: 30 Rock, Parks & Recreation, and Community didn't get me to watch beyond one episode caught on cable. Never got around to Hannibal, The Office (U.S.), The Flash, or Arrow, doubt I ever will.
Exceptions I thought of while typing: I actually watched all six episodes of the new X-Files, and was pretty unimpressed. Wifemate liked what she had heard about Once Upon a Time and wanted to watch. We didn't make it past two episodes. I think I gave The Muppets two episodes. I actually like the half of Fresh Off the Boat that is about the adults, but the kid dialogue sounds like a writers' room.
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Aug 25, 2016 23:07:12 GMT -5
Ken Burns may have made the slow pan over still photos his own, but he is a much more dynamic filmmaker when he gets to use archival footage. Baseball, Empire of the Air, and The Roosevelts become so much more engaging when they get into the era of film, which gives me high hopes for Vietnam.
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Post by ganews on Aug 29, 2016 10:52:10 GMT -5
I didn't care about the cat in The Night Of. It was a metaphor for Naz, fine, and the time when it escaped and cuddled up to John was pretty funny, but otherwise, so what.
The eczema scenes didn't bother me, even if there were too many. At least they served more narrative purpose than the cat.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Aug 29, 2016 13:44:30 GMT -5
I didn't care about the cat in The Night Of. It was a metaphor for Naz, fine, and the time when it escaped and cuddled up to John was pretty funny, but otherwise, so what. The eczema scenes didn't bother me, even if there were too many. At least they served more narrative purpose than the cat. This show sounds less and less enticing the more I hear.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Aug 29, 2016 20:46:22 GMT -5
The Night Of was just a poorly written procedural pretending to be worthy of being called "prestige" by the clever use of acting and good camerawork.
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Sept 17, 2016 4:28:11 GMT -5
The Night Of was just a poorly written procedural pretending to be worthy of being called "prestige" by the clever use of acting and good camerawork. When I first heard about The Night Of, I thought "oh shit this sounds a lot like what I wanted True Detective season 2 to be." The more I hear about it the more it sounds like what True Detective season 2 actually was.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Sept 17, 2016 9:28:47 GMT -5
The Night Of was just a poorly written procedural pretending to be worthy of being called "prestige" by the clever use of acting and good camerawork. Watching the Night Of in retrospect may be a breaking point for me and prestige TV. A few years ago I decided to wanted to be up on the prestige TV conversation; I binged those well regarded HBO shows like the Wire and the Sopranos and their AMC and FX successors from Breaking Bad to Justified, I was in on the 'ground floor' of shows in the genre like Boardwalk Empire and the Americans. I found myself watching a hell of a lot of crime shows because a lot of prestige TV is crime TV, in spite of me never really liking crime shows - and for every show that rose above the genre to become something truly unique, like the Wire, or at least lots of fun, like Justified (which benefits greatly from being a Western at heart) there's a lot that straddle the line, like the Shield, which could get more than a little formulaic over its run. (Also: Mob shows, but I basically like mob shows, so go figure.) But the Night Of, unfortunately wears its influence on its sleeve - it's a remake of a British show, and if there's one thing European television has far, far too much of, it's dour, tedious, self-important crime dramas (from an entire school of interchangeable Scandinavian shows - themselves endlessly remade in Europe and the US - to grimly moronic Canal+ French shows, to the RTE premering The Fall, which uses its star performances of Gillian Anderson and Jamie Dornan to paper over its meandering and redundant writing - there's a third goddamn season this month and that should have been over in one.) I don't hate all of the shows in this genre, and some of them I've enjoyed and then soured on (and one - Quirke - provided enormous amounts of biting humour for me, for the few of you who may still remember.) But it's probably telling that the one I consider by far the best is Fortitude, which feels like all the intensity of the genre driven right off a cliff into weirdness with utterly no self awareness; like a Twin Peaks whose camp was utterly sincere. A lot of people talked about the death of cinema this year, but there's never been a TV show that gave me an experience even close to the delirious cacophony of Guy Madin's Forbidden Room last year - TV, I think, needs to broaden and estrange its 'hit' shows, or I'd at least prefer it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 11:45:07 GMT -5
As much as I agree with DRC, I also think American Crime Story is the best TV Show I've seen this year.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Sept 17, 2016 13:02:09 GMT -5
As much as I agree with DRC, I also think American Crime Story is the best TV Show I've seen this year. Oh, I loved that. All the awards to Sarah Paulson.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 20:35:20 GMT -5
A lot of people are feeling sympathy for Fargo not winning at the Emmys so far, but ehhh. I love season 2 a lot, like a lot a lot. But American Crime Story was just THAT good, the awards really are going to the best, so I just can't get mad or sad.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Sept 19, 2016 4:22:05 GMT -5
@matt1 I frankly didn't think Fargo was very good (hey - on topic!), so I'm pretty comfortable that warmed over fan fiction didn't win over American Crime Story. I would have been okay with American Crime, though, but this year overall American Crime Story was better than American Crime.
I'm glad Tatiana Maslany and Rami Malek won awards and don't feel that strongly about the rest of them.
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Sept 19, 2016 5:58:19 GMT -5
The Night Of was just a poorly written procedural pretending to be worthy of being called "prestige" by the clever use of acting and good camerawork. It's my choice for the most disappointing series I've seen this year (full disclosure, given the busyness of my schedule for the past 9 months, my TV viewing this year has been erratic at best). I think what made it so bad was having the series use so many whodunit tropes. Riz Ahmed is a terrific actor and he gave a good performance, but the series constantly toyed with 'well, maybe he did it?' idea and refused to let the viewer really see who Naz is. He was a cipher, which could have been interesting, but in a sea of broody 'serious' dark TV dramas, it's just not enough. Also, the John Turturro character and performance. Great actor, but was he under the assumption that he was supposed to be in American Horror Story? I mean... yikes.
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Sept 19, 2016 6:02:17 GMT -5
@matt1 I frankly didn't think Fargo was very good (hey - on topic!), so I'm pretty comfortable that warmed over fan fiction didn't win over American Crime Story. I would have been okay with American Crime, though, but this year overall American Crime Story was better than American Crime. I'm glad Tatiana Maslany and Rami Malek won awards and don't feel that strongly about the rest of them. I thoroughly enjoyed the first season of Fargo, and while there are still aspects I love about that season (namely Allison Tolman and Russell Harvard, who deserve so many big acting opportunities), I think it was largely because of the series having the audacity to adapt such an iconic film in the first place. Once that novelty wears off, there isn't much left. I tried on two separate occasions to watch the second season of Fargo, and while I like the cast and I like the period details, I can't make it past two episodes. The one-note jokes do nothing for me.
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Post by ganews on Sept 20, 2016 14:19:53 GMT -5
Pamela Adlon's new show has been pretty good. I don't think I would stream an episode that I missed, but I'll turn it on.
I never stopped liking Louie.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Sept 22, 2016 13:08:19 GMT -5
I never stopped liking Louie.Edgy.
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Post by ganews on Sept 22, 2016 13:10:13 GMT -5
I never stopped liking Louie.Edgy. You think? I see nothing but complaints against both shows when I read the AVC reviews for Adlon's show. Maybe I should have put it in the AVC Heresies thread.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Sept 22, 2016 13:27:51 GMT -5
You think? I see nothing but complaints against both shows when I read the AVC reviews for Adlon's show. Maybe I should have put it in the AVC Heresies thread. Not read the Adlon reviews, but I recall the Louis reviews from both sides of the house as an endless series of blowjobs. The AV Club, etc.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Nov 7, 2016 11:34:25 GMT -5
This one may get me shunned.
I don't like Better Call Saul.
I admire it. I think it's an astonishingly well-done show, in virtually every way that a show can be. But watching it feels like doing homework. We gave up mid-second season because it was getting harder and harder to force ourselves to watch it. This was about six months after it aired, most of which time it had been sitting, unwatched, on the DVR.
Granted, if they gave Mike a show, I'd probably watch that.
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