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Post by Mars Defense Perimeter on Sept 1, 2017 11:07:39 GMT -5
I think the harsh reality is that commenting just isn't important to anyone but the commenters. Kinja killed the commenting star. That's a feature, not a bug. It is what it is. Etc.
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Post by pairesta on Sept 1, 2017 12:15:02 GMT -5
I know we've been talking about the decreased comment count under articles, but it seems like a real line was crossed somewhere in the past few days and now they are positively anemic. Overnight politics threads having only 60 comments? Even the trolls are staying away. This week's Ask the AVClub only has 18 (approved) comments so far, and usually it's 300 deep by the time I get to it early in the morning. I want to comment on the comfort food thread, but there's so little activity it's just making me sad. Plus I'm torn -- do I help the site and stick around and comment using that awful interface, or do I hasten the death of something I've loved for so long? There's alot of known posters still in the grays there so I was starring them and replying to them where I could to get them out. |
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Post by Mars Defense Perimeter on Sept 1, 2017 12:23:25 GMT -5
I don't miss Disqus at all. It was always a pain in the ass. This place is fine. The AV Club lives here now.
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Post by The Spice Weasel on Sept 1, 2017 12:30:26 GMT -5
I don't miss Disqus at all. It was always a pain in the ass. This place is fine. The AV Club lives here now. Eh, I never really minded Disqus. I like it here, but I'm also enjoying AVoCADo and WoT. Three places to waste my time now instead of just one. Huzzah!  |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Sept 1, 2017 12:30:53 GMT -5
I think the harsh reality is that commenting just isn't important to anyone but the commenters. Kinja killed the commenting star. That's a feature, not a bug. It is what it is. Etc. I think this is kind of overstating it. Other Kinja blogs have fairly healthy commenting communities (to the extent commenting can be considered healthy)—really, I think the problem of the new AVC is very much the problem of the AVC immediately pre-Kinja: as Dellarigg noted, you can basically read all the worthwhile content in a day in the space of a few minutes. There isn’t much worth reading, at least to a lot of people who became acquainted with the site pre-2014 or pre-2015, and a lot of the commenting was probably out of a sense of inertia. Kinja breaks that inertia, and while I’ve liked a few things I’ve seen on the site since then (IV’s movie article today which turned into a mini-essay on how writing for print shaped his style, and his earlier article on Ridley Scott’s commercials), nothing’s prompted me to go through the trouble of registering with Kinja to say something. There just hasn’t been a critical mass of good stuff that makes me want to join in the conversation, or to become anything more than an irregular visitor to the site. |
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Post by Mars Defense Perimeter on Sept 1, 2017 12:39:11 GMT -5
I think this is kind of overstating it. Other Kinja blogs have fairly healthy commenting communities (to the extent commenting can be considered healthy)—really, I think the problem of the new AVC is very much the problem of the AVC immediately pre-Kinja: as Dellarigg noted, you can basically read all the worthwhile content in a day in the space of a few minutes. There isn’t much worth reading, at least to a lot of people who became acquainted with the site pre-2014 or pre-2015, and a lot of the commenting was probably out of a sense of inertia. Kinja breaks that inertia, and while I’ve liked a few things I’ve seen on the site since then (IV’s movie article today which turned into a mini-essay on how writing for print shaped his style, and his earlier article on Ridley Scott’s commercials), nothing’s prompted me to go through the trouble of registering with Kinja to say something. There just hasn’t been a critical mass of good stuff that makes me want to join in the conversation, or to become anything more than an irregular visitor to the site. I think that inertia is part of the charm. I never wanted a ton of content from the AV Club. I'd rather have a limited amount of good stuff than a bunch of mediocre crap (which seems like the norm elsewhere on the Internet). The comments were like a second article when they were good. Now the comments are just a garnish on a plate of steaming crap. |
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Post by Judkins Moaner on Sept 1, 2017 12:49:30 GMT -5
There just hasn’t been a critical mass of good stuff that makes me want to join in the conversation, or to become anything more than an irregular visitor to the site. I just found the Comics Panel (which has apparently been split into three days, with Caitlin, Oliver and Shea each taking a different day, it seems) and part of me wants to register a Kinja-specific identity but... man. Something tells me that isn't going to end well. Is just the Comics Panel really enough? |
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Post by ayatollahcm on Sept 1, 2017 13:43:42 GMT -5
I think the bigger problem is that it's still so damn hard to navigate. Last time I went on, it was ONLY Newswires, and I couldn't find any recent features or reviews. Click on the Film or TV links and BAM!....just directs me to the recent film or TV articles...which are all Newswires.
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Post by Hippo on Sept 1, 2017 15:21:29 GMT -5
I feel like AVC has a far more intelligent and well-read crowd than they assume but underestimate that fact. I am not among that crowd’s number being a dim galoot who just wanted to comment on animated comedy shows and didn’t care much for longform pieces or Nabin and his goddamn pills in the jellybeans but I’ve been set aside too so we have that in common.
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Post by monodrone on Sept 1, 2017 16:13:17 GMT -5
Let those of us who survived the plague of Newcastle Brown Ale adverts remember, and shudder with horror that the were but a sign of things to come, rather than as we suspected at the time the worst they could ever get. Also, fuck the design of the new site, but I guess that pretty much goes without saying. At least Brown Ale is something I can wholeheartedly endorse. Nowt to do with kinja but I'm drinking one of these now and it's good. |
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Post by Mr. Greene's October Surprise on Sept 1, 2017 16:22:02 GMT -5
Let those of us who survived the plague of Newcastle Brown Ale adverts remember, and shudder with horror that the were but a sign of things to come, rather than as we suspected at the time the worst they could ever get. How could we forget the annoying bald singing oatmeal advert guy, who became such a known pest that Captain Dada took the guy's image for his avatar pic and we all instantly knew who it was? In other words, it's a total success to the new overlords. I'm sure. I feel bad for the writers left though, particularly the ones around for the long haul, seeing this thing they build dying slowly. |
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Post by Dellarigg on Sept 1, 2017 17:10:41 GMT -5
Upvotes for 'galoot' and 'nowt'.
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Post by Mars Defense Perimeter on Sept 1, 2017 18:16:11 GMT -5
I feel like AVC has a far more intelligent and well-read crowd than they assume but underestimate that fact. I am not among that crowd’s number being a dim galoot who just wanted to comment on animated comedy shows and didn’t care much for longform pieces or Nabin and his goddamn pills in the jellybeans but I’ve been set aside too so we have that in common. The enemy of my enemy...is my friend...so Hippo...is my friend. |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Sept 1, 2017 19:03:53 GMT -5
Hey, I got accused of "dog whistle misogyny" for implying that maybe just possibly Tomi Lahren was hired for her looks rather than her insightful political analysis or journalistic integrity. So that was fun.
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Post by 🐍 cahusserole 🐍 on Sept 1, 2017 19:31:20 GMT -5
I don't want to read anything there anymore. Like, I made it through a Random Roles because it was willharrisinva , but jesus it was such an unpleasant user experience. I'm waiting to see if I can claim my old comments as a legacy AVC account, but then I think I'm out for real. |
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Sept 1, 2017 20:31:05 GMT -5
So, they've stopped moderating, right? That's the only explanation for some of the troll comments that remain up.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Sept 1, 2017 20:45:30 GMT -5
So, they've stopped moderating, right? That's the only explanation for some of the troll comments that remain up. Saying they've stopped moderating implies that, at one time in the past, Kinja sites moderated. |
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Post by Nudeviking on Sept 1, 2017 20:49:24 GMT -5
Let those of us who survived the plague of Newcastle Brown Ale adverts remember, and shudder with horror that the were but a sign of things to come, rather than as we suspected at the time the worst they could ever get. Also, fuck the design of the new site, but I guess that pretty much goes without saying. Newscastle Brown Ale? That comes from where Venom come from! It knocks you on your fucking back! |
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Post by ayatollahcm on Sept 1, 2017 20:58:01 GMT -5
So, they've stopped moderating, right? That's the only explanation for some of the troll comments that remain up. Saying they've stopped moderating implies that, at one time in the past, Kinja sites moderated. In "Kinja-speak": Greys mean moderation! *Ernie dusts off hands, waltzes home from a hard day's work, eats a fancy lobster and caviar dinner* |
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Post by moimoi on Sept 1, 2017 21:14:22 GMT -5
I don't want to read anything there anymore. Like, I made it through a Random Roles because it was willharrisinva , but jesus it was such an unpleasant user experience. I'm waiting to see if I can claim my old comments as a legacy AVC account, but then I think I'm out for real. What infuriates me is that the only way I can sign in is by first signing into my gmail burner account that I created just for the purpose of messing about on AVC and then signing into Kinja. It doesn't give you the option of selecting which google account or facebook profile you want to use. I guess the burner thing works too, but then what happens to your account history? Considering there's only a handful of articles worth reading on the front page any time I go there, i think I'm done too. |
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Post by Prole Hole on Sept 2, 2017 5:11:47 GMT -5
I don't want to read anything there anymore. Like, I made it through a Random Roles because it was willharrisinva , but jesus it was such an unpleasant user experience. I'm waiting to see if I can claim my old comments as a legacy AVC account, but then I think I'm out for real. I'll end up commenting on Doctor Who when Alasdair's replacement turns up at Christmas, but beyond that I can't imagine even bothering. I actually work for a digital marketing and advertising company these days and they would be horrified if they saw the layout, design and user experience of the site. It's horrible to navigate, there's no clarity when you want to find anything, there's no way of separating the actual content from the fucking adverts (the single biggest, classic "how to piss off your users" move), and it's just so incredibly indistinct. It could now be any site on the internet, rather than having a clear, unique look to it. The old site wasn't 100% perfect, let's not oversell that side of things, but at least when you saw it you knew what site you were actually on. (Huss, in other news, Alasdair is guesting on Talking Who To You this Tuesday! Woo! We're discussing The Holy Terror) |
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Post by Mr. Greene's October Surprise on Sept 2, 2017 17:45:07 GMT -5
I don't want to read anything there anymore. Like, I made it through a Random Roles because it was willharrisinva , but jesus it was such an unpleasant user experience. I'm waiting to see if I can claim my old comments as a legacy AVC account, but then I think I'm out for real. I'll end up commenting on Doctor Who when Alasdair's replacement turns up at Christmas, but beyond that I can't imagine even bothering. I actually work for a digital marketing and advertising company these days and they would be horrified if they saw the layout, design and user experience of the site. It's horrible to navigate, there's no clarity when you want to find anything, there's no way of separating the actual content from the fucking adverts (the single biggest, classic "how to piss off your users" move), and it's just so incredibly indistinct. It could now be any site on the internet, rather than having a clear, unique look to it. The old site wasn't 100% perfect, let's not oversell that side of things, but at least when you saw it you knew what site you were actually on. (Huss, in other news, Alasdair is guesting on Talking Who To You this Tuesday! Woo! We're discussing The Holy Terror) ...who wrote The Holy Terror, again?  |
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Post by Celebith on Sept 2, 2017 20:52:46 GMT -5
Hey, I got accused of "dog whistle misogyny" for implying that maybe just possibly Tomi Lahren was hired for her looks rather than her insightful political analysis or journalistic integrity. So that was fun. If Tomi lahren looked like rosie O'Donnell she wouldn't have a job in conservative media until she hit menopause. |
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Post by Hippo on Sept 3, 2017 2:29:36 GMT -5
Why did I go back? The AVC is not what it was and we've got a much lower quality of poster than expected in the comments. Oh well, I mean it's sad to see it decay like this but better to not contribute to the decay.
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Post by ayatollahcm on Sept 3, 2017 3:03:27 GMT -5
Hey guys I just checked up on the comments, in case any of you were wondering what you were missing:
They're arguing about whether the Beatles were an overrated band or not.
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Post by liebkartoffel on Sept 3, 2017 8:44:17 GMT -5
Hey guys I just checked up on the comments, in case any of you were wondering what you were missing: They're arguing about whether the Beatles were an overrated band or not. I got into a lazy fight with a troll over the spelling of "milquetoast." So that was a thing. |
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Post by Pastafarian on Sept 3, 2017 8:56:44 GMT -5
Let those of us who survived the plague of Newcastle Brown Ale adverts remember, and shudder with horror that the were but a sign of things to come, rather than as we suspected at the time the worst they could ever get. Also, fuck the design of the new site, but I guess that pretty much goes without saying. At least Brown Ale is something I can wholeheartedly endorse. So, one of those Newcastle creeps got to you too, huh? |
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Post by Pastafarian on Sept 3, 2017 8:58:30 GMT -5
I'm still visiting, but I find I can read everything I want, articles and comments both, in a few minutes. It's not right. Yeah, same boat here. I'll look at it (though less frequently) usually scroll the headlines to see if anything catches my eye, and occasionally click to read an article and/or a few comments. It's a very different experience than it used to be. |
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Post by Hippo on Sept 3, 2017 10:42:50 GMT -5
At least Brown Ale is something I can wholeheartedly endorse. So, one of those Newcastle creeps got to you too, huh? Hell of a way to talk about Dellarigg. |
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Post by 🐍 cahusserole 🐍 on Sept 3, 2017 11:57:14 GMT -5
I also like Newcastle Brown Ale.
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