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Post by Generic Poster on Jan 3, 2018 11:17:35 GMT -5
I assumed the red guards were the other Jedi students Kylo brought with him. I guess Rey didn't give a fuck about redeeming them.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Jan 3, 2018 11:21:48 GMT -5
I assumed the red guards were the other Jedi students Kylo brought with him. I guess Rey didn't give a fuck about redeeming them. Would they not have had lightsabers and/or used the force when fighting Kylo and Rey if that was the case? I figured they were just another case of First Order Imperial cosplay based off of Palpatine's mysterious-but-cool-looking red guards. |
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Post by Generic Poster on Jan 3, 2018 11:28:28 GMT -5
I assumed the red guards were the other Jedi students Kylo brought with him. I guess Rey didn't give a fuck about redeeming them. Would they not have had lightsabers and/or used the force when fighting Kylo and Rey if that was the case? I figured they were just another case of First Order Imperial cosplay based off of Palpatine's mysterious-but-cool-looking red guards. I dunno. They had light-sabery weapons, and managed to hold their own against two badasses for a while, which one could conclude requires some behind the scenes force use. If it wasn't them, it's kind of annoying that we don't know what happened to them. I mean, I don't need everything explained, but it's weird to create the "what happened to other pupils" question and not answer it when you could have just said "Kylo killed everybody." |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Jan 3, 2018 11:31:55 GMT -5
Would they not have had lightsabers and/or used the force when fighting Kylo and Rey if that was the case? I figured they were just another case of First Order Imperial cosplay based off of Palpatine's mysterious-but-cool-looking red guards. I dunno. They had light-sabery weapons, and managed to hold their own against two badasses for a while, which one could conclude requires some behind the scenes force use. If it wasn't them, it's kind of annoying that we don't know what happened to them. I mean, I don't need everything explained, but it's weird to create the "what happened to other pupils" question and not answer it when you could have just said "Kylo killed everybody." I guess I just assumed he had killed everyone, but now that you bring it up, I guess that was left pretty vague. |
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Post by ganews on Jan 3, 2018 11:33:21 GMT -5
I dunno. They had light-sabery weapons, and managed to hold their own against two badasses for a while, which one could conclude requires some behind the scenes force use. If it wasn't them, it's kind of annoying that we don't know what happened to them. I mean, I don't need everything explained, but it's weird to create the "what happened to other pupils" question and not answer it when you could have just said "Kylo killed everybody." I guess I just assumed he had killed everyone, but now that you bring it up, I guess that was left pretty vague. Yeah, he specifically said he took some and killed the rest. |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Jan 3, 2018 11:38:54 GMT -5
I guess I just assumed he had killed everyone, but now that you bring it up, I guess that was left pretty vague. Yeah, he specifically said he took some and killed the rest. oh wow, totally missed that when I saw it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 11:42:24 GMT -5
I guess I just assumed he had killed everyone, but now that you bring it up, I guess that was left pretty vague. Yeah, he specifically said he took some and killed the rest. This. I am somewhat curious if the others are out there somewhere, or if the Praetorians were the other "Knights of Ren". I thought the vision Rey had of them in TFA clearly showed others with lightsabers, but either I am mistaken, or it has been edited, so these dudes could definitely be the Praetorians.  |
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Post by ganews on Jan 3, 2018 11:47:43 GMT -5
So Luke saw the darkness in Ben Solo. He saw maybe some of that in Rey. Well for the latter it makes sense, she was abandoned and lived her whole life alone, bitterness and resentment would be natural. Anakin Skywalker was afraid of loss, it was all laid out. Darth Vader switched back because of concern for family.
But what exactly was Kylo Ren's original motivation, now that his backstory has been explained? Why was there ever any darkness for Luke to see, before their confrontation made Ren decide to burn everything down? All we can do is speculate, and now that all the characters/actors from his past are dead I guess it will never be explained. It's not something we need to know about Obviously Evil characters, but if he's supposed to be a borderline case we ought to know.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Jan 3, 2018 11:49:43 GMT -5
Yeah, he specifically said he took some and killed the rest. This. I am somewhat curious if the others are out there somewhere, or if the Praetorians were the other "Knights of Ren". I thought the vision Rey had of them in TFA clearly showed others with lightsabers, but either I am mistaken, or it has been edited, so these dudes could definitely be the Praetorians. Honestly, all the vagueness and wild fan speculation doesn't bug me that much. I actually kind of like it. Nerds want to act like there were these detailed explanations for everything in the originals, but it was actually the prequels and EU that fleshed out all these intricate ins and outs. The original trilogy movies themselves HEAVILY relied on "looks cool, just go with it", and I'm on board with getting back to that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 12:26:32 GMT -5
So Luke saw the darkness in Ben Solo. He saw maybe some of that in Rey. Well for the latter it makes sense, she was abandoned and lived her whole life alone, bitterness and resentment would be natural. Anakin Skywalker was afraid of loss, it was all laid out. Darth Vader switched back because of concern for family. But what exactly was Kylo Ren's original motivation, now that his backstory has been explained? Why was there ever any darkness for Luke to see, before their confrontation made Ren decide to burn everything down? All we can do is speculate, and now that all the characters/actors from his past are dead I guess it will never be explained. It's not something we need to know about Obviously Evil characters, but if he's supposed to be a borderline case we ought to know. Luke said that "Snoke had already gotten to him". Details were not mentioned, but Snoke was responsible somehow. *handwave* You don't need to know the details. (Probably? I still want to know.) |
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Post by ganews on Jan 3, 2018 12:52:21 GMT -5
So Luke saw the darkness in Ben Solo. He saw maybe some of that in Rey. Well for the latter it makes sense, she was abandoned and lived her whole life alone, bitterness and resentment would be natural. Anakin Skywalker was afraid of loss, it was all laid out. Darth Vader switched back because of concern for family. But what exactly was Kylo Ren's original motivation, now that his backstory has been explained? Why was there ever any darkness for Luke to see, before their confrontation made Ren decide to burn everything down? All we can do is speculate, and now that all the characters/actors from his past are dead I guess it will never be explained. It's not something we need to know about Obviously Evil characters, but if he's supposed to be a borderline case we ought to know. Luke said that "Snoke had already gotten to him". Details were not mentioned, but Snoke was responsible somehow. *handwave* You don't need to know the details. (Probably? I still want to know.) True! That just makes it more annoying to not know anything about where this incredibly powerful dark force user came from, this guy who was was old enough but unknown in the Empire and was strong enough to imbue Kylo Ren with a super-link to Rey. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jan 3, 2018 13:10:14 GMT -5
Luke said that "Snoke had already gotten to him". Details were not mentioned, but Snoke was responsible somehow. *handwave* You don't need to know the details. (Probably? I still want to know.) True! That just makes it more annoying to not know anything about where this incredibly powerful dark force user came from, this guy who was was old enough but unknown in the Empire and was strong enough to imbue Kylo Ren with a super-link to Rey. I can near-guarantee that, unless it's becomes a plot point in Episode IX, there will be a book soon documenting all of this. |
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Post by Generic Poster on Jan 3, 2018 13:56:07 GMT -5
Yeah, he specifically said he took some and killed the rest. oh wow, totally missed that when I saw it. I thought Luke specifically said "six," but I could be mis-remembering. I didn't count how many red guys there were. |
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Post by pairesta on Jan 3, 2018 15:04:35 GMT -5
True! That just makes it more annoying to not know anything about where this incredibly powerful dark force user came from, this guy who was was old enough but unknown in the Empire and was strong enough to imbue Kylo Ren with a super-link to Rey. I can near-guarantee that, unless it's becomes a plot point in Episode IX, there will be a book soon documenting all of this. by Kevin J. Anderson, coming in April 2018. |
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Post by ganews on Jan 3, 2018 15:12:20 GMT -5
True! That just makes it more annoying to not know anything about where this incredibly powerful dark force user came from, this guy who was was old enough but unknown in the Empire and was strong enough to imbue Kylo Ren with a super-link to Rey. I can near-guarantee that, unless it's becomes a plot point in Episode IX, there will be a book soon documenting all of this. Sorry, I don't buy the feelies. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jan 3, 2018 16:04:56 GMT -5
I can near-guarantee that, unless it's becomes a plot point in Episode IX, there will be a book soon documenting all of this. Sorry, I don't buy the feelies. Then read the summary on Wookiepedia. |
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Post by Lt. Broccoli on Jan 3, 2018 16:10:53 GMT -5
I was thinking maybe the Rey/Luke stuff on Ahch-To takes place over a few months, and they are catching up to the rest of the plot which is occurring over 12 hours or whatever it is. But then at the beginning Finn seems to be recovering from the Death Star planet, so...I dunno.
Also in TFA when Kylo took his helmet off and he looked and sounded like Adam Driver, that took me out of the moment briefly, but the same thing happened with Holdo. Laura Dern is great, but she doesn't sound like a rebellion general, somehow.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 16:21:33 GMT -5
I was thinking maybe the Rey/Luke stuff on Ahch-To takes place over a few months, and they are catching up to the rest of the plot which is occurring over 12 hours or whatever it is. But then at the beginning Finn seems to be recovering from the Death Star planet, so...I dunno. Also in TFA when Kylo took his helmet off and he looked and sounded like Adam Driver, that took me out of the moment briefly, but the same thing happened with Holdo. Laura Dern is great, but she doesn't sound like a rebellion general, somehow. I had the advantage of never having seen Adam Driver before TFA that I could remember...he still seemed a bit weird and off-putting at first. But I thought he was fantastic in TLJ. Admiral Hodor was okay! She was only a backup general to Leia. |
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Post by ganews on Jan 3, 2018 16:26:50 GMT -5
Sorry, I don't buy the feelies. Then read the summary on Wookiepedia. I'm perfectly willing to watch the previous movies of a franchise to know what's going on. They should just write a better movie. Porgs aren't called such in the movie either, but they aren't important to the plot (except as Wookiee snacks). |
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Post by Generic Poster on Jan 3, 2018 16:43:01 GMT -5
They didn't really need to do that much to give Snoke background. "I watched Palpetine rise and fall from the Unknown Reaches, biding my time" or something similar would have been plenty. Giving him nothing seems like a mistake.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jan 3, 2018 18:47:25 GMT -5
They didn't really need to do that much to give Snoke background. "I watched Palpetine rise and fall from the Unknown Reaches, biding my time" or something similar would have been plenty. Giving him nothing seems like a mistake. They gave Snoke exactly as much as they gave Palpatine prior to the prequels. More, really, because Palpatine never even got a name in any of the original trilogy. |
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Post by Generic Poster on Jan 3, 2018 23:48:34 GMT -5
They didn't really need to do that much to give Snoke background. "I watched Palpetine rise and fall from the Unknown Reaches, biding my time" or something similar would have been plenty. Giving him nothing seems like a mistake. They gave Snoke exactly as much as they gave Palpatine prior to the prequels. More, really, because Palpatine never even got a name in any of the original trilogy. I agree, but the original series had no established history. You knew that an Empire had an Emperor, and you figured that he must have the Force if he was bossing Vader around. Here, you have someone who was certainly alive during the events of the original trilogy, and probably the prequel trilogy. Thus, where the fuck he was and what the fuck he was doing during the events we already witnessed seem like more relevant questions. |
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Post by Nudeviking on Jan 3, 2018 23:50:55 GMT -5
They gave Snoke exactly as much as they gave Palpatine prior to the prequels. More, really, because Palpatine never even got a name in any of the original trilogy. I agree, but the original series had no established history. You knew that an Empire had an Emperor, and you figured that he must have the Force if he was bossing Vader around. Here, you have someone who was certainly alive during the events of the original trilogy, and probably the prequel trilogy. Thus, where the fuck he was and what the fuck he was doing during the events we already witnessed seem like more relevant questions. Grand Moff Tarkin bossed Vader around too though and he clearly had no Force Powers so it wasn't a given that the Emperor had Force Powers either. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 0:36:05 GMT -5
I agree, but the original series had no established history. You knew that an Empire had an Emperor, and you figured that he must have the Force if he was bossing Vader around. Here, you have someone who was certainly alive during the events of the original trilogy, and probably the prequel trilogy. Thus, where the fuck he was and what the fuck he was doing during the events we already witnessed seem like more relevant questions. Grand Moff Tarkin bossed Vader around too though and he clearly had no Force Powers so it wasn't a given that the Emperor had Force Powers either. You know, until the lighting to Luke's face, that is... |
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Post by Nudeviking on Jan 4, 2018 1:29:02 GMT -5
Grand Moff Tarkin bossed Vader around too though and he clearly had no Force Powers so it wasn't a given that the Emperor had Force Powers either. You know, until the lighting to Luke's face, that is... Well yes, at that point it became obvious. Prior to the lighting bolts he was just an old man that was really a woman pretending to be an old man in some witch robes. |
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Post by ganews on Jan 4, 2018 16:53:54 GMT -5
Captain Phasma had the only armor in the empire/first order that could actually withstand blaster fire.
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Post by sarapen on Jan 4, 2018 20:08:20 GMT -5
I agree, but the original series had no established history. You knew that an Empire had an Emperor, and you figured that he must have the Force if he was bossing Vader around. Here, you have someone who was certainly alive during the events of the original trilogy, and probably the prequel trilogy. Thus, where the fuck he was and what the fuck he was doing during the events we already witnessed seem like more relevant questions. Grand Moff Tarkin bossed Vader around too though and he clearly had no Force Powers so it wasn't a given that the Emperor had Force Powers either. Yeah, if you take the first movie in isolation it's really unclear where Vader goes in the organizational chart. Does he even have subordinates and a position in the hierarchy or is he basically just some random dude people listen to because he'll kill their asses if they don't? The same vagueness toward rank goes for Snoke and Kylo Ren. There was apparently no clear line of succession in the First Order as Hux had to be threatened into following Ben 2.0, but what exactly were Kylo Ren's duties, exactly, besides imperial gofer and handyman? |
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Post by ganews on Jan 4, 2018 20:26:38 GMT -5
I feel like they intentionally shouted out to Darths and Droids. Luke called it a laser sword and then went to chug some bluegreen milk.
Also the milk-producing elephant cows are the best aliens in the series now.
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Post by ganews on Jan 4, 2018 22:27:18 GMT -5
Also it's nice to have seen the movie so that I can read this twitter feed again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 10:27:53 GMT -5
Also it's nice to have seen the movie so that I can read this twitter feed again. My favorite recent one: |
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