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Post by Ben Grimm on Sept 29, 2023 9:05:46 GMT -5
I don't have Disney+ right now, and I never watched "Rebels" so I probably won't ever watch this show. But I'm wondering if it is doing anything to explain how the First Order is so big and powerful, even though the sequels aren't set that long after the original trilogy? They haven't, but since they're explicitly in the process of adapting Heir to the Empire, they probably are in the future - I have a sneaking suspicion that the giant fleet of Star Destroyers from Rise of Skywalker is going to turn out to be the Katana Fleet in the new canon. |
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Sept 29, 2023 19:15:46 GMT -5
I don't have Disney+ right now, and I never watched "Rebels" so I probably won't ever watch this show. But I'm wondering if it is doing anything to explain how the First Order is so big and powerful, even though the sequels aren't set that long after the original trilogy? Not directly yet, but they are reinforcing the idea that there are a lot of Imperial people still around. These include some higher ups like Thrawn or the secret council that Moff Gideon was on as well as a ton of sympathizers* embedded in the New Republic. They are also introducing the idea of a lot of uncharted areas where Imperial remnants could rebuild without notice. *I think the New Republic Senator who has been an ass in Ahsoka is revealed to be one in some of the graphic novels? I also realized that I was mixing up Tony Shalhoub for Peter Jacobson as the crooked bureaucrat. omg that guy trying to imply Leia Fucking Organa doesn’t have any authority  I said “oooooooooooh” out loud like a four-year-old watching someone getting in trouble. I’m probably in the minority here, but it really doesn’t bother me at all that Leia isn’t around in the narrative. She can’t be everywhere, and she is kind of a big shot who’s busy elsewhere? idk it’s just not something that seems weird to me, and feels more like people wanting to see the OG characters. (Also yes obviously I would not be happy with a recast; some article I read compared it to recasting Han in Solo, and …that’s not the same thing. That’s a younger version of him, not an episode 6.5 version) and Lars Mikkleson does not actually sound like his brother, but there’s something weirdly similar in their voices. Occasionally it trips my Hannibal meter. 😄 |
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Post by sarapen on Sept 29, 2023 22:01:35 GMT -5
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Post by Desert Dweller on Sept 30, 2023 2:16:02 GMT -5
I don't have Disney+ right now, and I never watched "Rebels" so I probably won't ever watch this show. But I'm wondering if it is doing anything to explain how the First Order is so big and powerful, even though the sequels aren't set that long after the original trilogy? They haven't, but since they're explicitly in the process of adapting Heir to the Empire, they probably are in the future - I have a sneaking suspicion that the giant fleet of Star Destroyers from Rise of Skywalker is going to turn out to be the Katana Fleet in the new canon. Ah, yes, that would make more sense.
This obviously isn't the most egregious error of the sequel trilogy, but I never quite believed that the First Order would be that overpowering in such a short time after "Return of the Jedi". I stopped trying to make it make sense, though, because it was clear that JJ Abrams just wanted to replicate "Star Wars" without really thinking about whether the details made any sense.
But I did wonder if any of the Star Wars series on Disney+ would even attempt to close this plot hole.
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Post by ABz B👹anaz on Oct 5, 2023 0:05:08 GMT -5
Not a bad ending to the season, but not great leaving so much unresolved. Eman Esfandi's Ezra is fantastic. My prediction: Since the white owl showed up at the end, Baylan is probably looking for another magical mural, and Sabine and Ahsoka will somehow use it to return home through the weird between-worlds space where she duelled Anakin. |
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Post by sarapen on Oct 5, 2023 21:38:53 GMT -5
RIP Ray Stevenson and his melancholy Sith lord. I'll miss his mournful laments.
As for the show he was in, I honestly found it to be like a pile of featureless mush. The TV equivalent of a bowl of unsweetened oatmeal. It's kind of impressive how the last 3 Star Wars shows have been so similar in this way. The franchise's overwhelming artistic vision is one of bland neutrality.
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Post by nowimnothing on Oct 6, 2023 7:55:13 GMT -5
RIP Ray Stevenson and his melancholy Sith lord. I'll miss his mournful laments. As for the show he was in, I honestly found it to be like a pile of featureless mush. The TV equivalent of a bowl of unsweetened oatmeal. It's kind of impressive how the last 3 Star Wars shows have been so similar in this way. The franchise's overwhelming artistic vision is one of bland neutrality. It is weird in that it seems like the more they go in for the mystical elements, lore and backstory, the more bland it is. The best recent Star Wars have been where they focused on the average people like in Andor and Rogue One. Maybe like midi-chlorians, it is just better to leave some things a mystery because the closer we look, the less magical they appear. |
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Post by sarapen on Oct 6, 2023 8:08:10 GMT -5
RIP Ray Stevenson and his melancholy Sith lord. I'll miss his mournful laments. As for the show he was in, I honestly found it to be like a pile of featureless mush. The TV equivalent of a bowl of unsweetened oatmeal. It's kind of impressive how the last 3 Star Wars shows have been so similar in this way. The franchise's overwhelming artistic vision is one of bland neutrality. It is weird in that it seems like the more they go in for the mystical elements, lore and backstory, the more bland it is. The best recent Star Wars have been where they focused on the average people like in Andor and Rogue One. Maybe like midi-chlorians, it is just better to leave some things a mystery because the closer we look, the less magical they appear. The mysticism feels very, I dunno, RPG-like? The magic could just as easily have been BS sci-fi tech. It's kind of like we're reading an RPG lore book except in TV form. The thing of it is that the show did have an actual mystic plot thread it didn't do anything with - the observation that Ahsoka is like Anakin in her attraction to violence (how many conflicts have we seen her resolve peacefully?) and that in turn her apprentice Sabine is also too-strongly linked to her violent Mandalorian background. There could have been something there about Ahsoka finding balance with the help of Anakin's ghost and with this Ezra person I don't know but who evidently is more like how a Jedi should be. So yeah, Star Wars TV has mystical elements but it's not very mystical. If they can't do it well then yeah, they should just focus on the average jerk trying to live their lives like in Andor since it obviously works. |
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Post by Nudeviking on Nov 2, 2023 23:40:01 GMT -5
So some 200ish episodes of two different cartoon shows later I have finally gotten all the background information I feel like I need to start watching Ahsoka and you know what? I now have no desire to watch that show or really any Star Wars shit ever again because over the course of those 200ish episodes I learned that for me the best Star Wars is aliens in a cargo pants and 1970s puffy vests hurling pipe bombs at space Nazis or guys with 5 o'clock shadows and a mechanic's jumpsuit doing heists. I don't give a single fuck about Mandalorian lore and give negative fucks about the weirdo mysticism Jedi shit and those two are seemingly the direction everything is going because that cowboy hat havin', three wolf moon t-shirt wearin' motherfucker Dave Filoni gets to keep writing his stupid Star Wars fan-fiction for whatever reason and those two things get him hard as steel. Goodbye Star Wars we had a pretty good run all things considered.
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Nov 10, 2023 20:03:09 GMT -5
So some 200ish episodes of two different cartoon shows later I have finally gotten all the background information I feel like I need to start watching Ahsoka and you know what? I now have no desire to watch that show or really any Star Wars shit ever again because over the course of those 200ish episodes I learned that for me the best Star Wars is aliens in a cargo pants and 1970s puffy vests hurling pipe bombs at space Nazis or guys with 5 o'clock shadows and a mechanic's jumpsuit doing heists. I don't give a single fuck about Mandalorian lore and give negative fucks about the weirdo mysticism Jedi shit and those two are seemingly the direction everything is going because that cowboy hat havin', three wolf moon t-shirt wearin' motherfucker Dave Filoni gets to keep writing his stupid Star Wars fan-fiction for whatever reason and those two things get him hard as steel. Goodbye Star Wars we had a pretty good run all things considered. I agree with you to a lesser degree; I’ll still watch Mando but will only really enjoy it/care when they’re doing Lone Wolf & Cub. And of course I’m frothing at the mouth for more Andor. But weirdo mysticism Jedi shit and Mandalore Mandalore Mandalore bore me senseless.* *look I’ll allow the armorer because she’s dreamy |
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Post by Nudeviking on Nov 11, 2023 2:39:16 GMT -5
So some 200ish episodes of two different cartoon shows later I have finally gotten all the background information I feel like I need to start watching Ahsoka and you know what? I now have no desire to watch that show or really any Star Wars shit ever again because over the course of those 200ish episodes I learned that for me the best Star Wars is aliens in a cargo pants and 1970s puffy vests hurling pipe bombs at space Nazis or guys with 5 o'clock shadows and a mechanic's jumpsuit doing heists. I don't give a single fuck about Mandalorian lore and give negative fucks about the weirdo mysticism Jedi shit and those two are seemingly the direction everything is going because that cowboy hat havin', three wolf moon t-shirt wearin' motherfucker Dave Filoni gets to keep writing his stupid Star Wars fan-fiction for whatever reason and those two things get him hard as steel. Goodbye Star Wars we had a pretty good run all things considered. I agree with you to a lesser degree; I’ll still watch Mando but will only really enjoy it/care when they’re doing Lone Wolf & Cub. And of course I’m frothing at the mouth for more Andor. But weirdo mysticism Jedi shit and Mandalore Mandalore Mandalore bore me senseless.* *look I’ll allow the armorer because she’s dreamy I have no doubt that by the time a season 2 of Andor shows up I'll have cooled down and will end up watching it but I honestly feel like that's definitely it for me and Star Wars because it's just getting two seasons and then after that it's a bunch of Dave Filoni junk and all he cares about are Mandalorians and Jedi hoodoo. Give me more scruffy dudes with no powers and limited weapons training pushed to the brink by fascists! That's the best Star Wars! |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Nov 11, 2023 22:17:04 GMT -5
So some 200ish episodes of two different cartoon shows later I have finally gotten all the background information I feel like I need to start watching Ahsoka and you know what? I now have no desire to watch that show or really any Star Wars shit ever again because over the course of those 200ish episodes I learned that for me the best Star Wars is aliens in a cargo pants and 1970s puffy vests hurling pipe bombs at space Nazis or guys with 5 o'clock shadows and a mechanic's jumpsuit doing heists. I don't give a single fuck about Mandalorian lore and give negative fucks about the weirdo mysticism Jedi shit and those two are seemingly the direction everything is going because that cowboy hat havin', three wolf moon t-shirt wearin' motherfucker Dave Filoni gets to keep writing his stupid Star Wars fan-fiction for whatever reason and those two things get him hard as steel. Goodbye Star Wars we had a pretty good run all things considered. I'm with you. I was never interested in that series because of those exact elements. Look, in the original trilogy, Han Solo is by far the best character. And this isn't only because Harrison Ford is insanely hot in those movies. It is because that character is just flat out more interesting than Luke Skywalker and the whole Jedi deal.
Surely we all got more than enough Jedi in the prequels? And yeah, I am not at all interested in Mandalorian lore. I watched the first season the Mandalorian show and gave up because none of it interested me enough.
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Nov 11, 2023 23:23:08 GMT -5
I agree with you to a lesser degree; I’ll still watch Mando but will only really enjoy it/care when they’re doing Lone Wolf & Cub. And of course I’m frothing at the mouth for more Andor. But weirdo mysticism Jedi shit and Mandalore Mandalore Mandalore bore me senseless.* *look I’ll allow the armorer because she’s dreamy I have no doubt that by the time a season 2 of Andor shows up I'll have cooled down and will end up watching it but I honestly feel like that's definitely it for me and Star Wars because it's just getting two seasons and then after that it's a bunch of Dave Filoni junk and all he cares about are Mandalorians and Jedi hoodoo. Give me more scruffy dudes with no powers and limited weapons training pushed to the brink by fascists! That's the best Star Wars! That’s the best ANYTHING. Give me normal people risking literally everything to fight against the fascists! Give me double-agents! Give me bad guys realizing they’re on the wrong team or good guys deciding they’re no longer gonna be a good guy! WE’VE all realized that the Jedi are deeply problematic on a lot of levels; why hasn’t Filoni? Give me some of THAT from the POV of someone who just gained Knight status! Stop acting like The Jedi are uncriticizable ffs. |
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Post by Nudeviking on Nov 12, 2023 18:54:59 GMT -5
So some 200ish episodes of two different cartoon shows later I have finally gotten all the background information I feel like I need to start watching Ahsoka and you know what? I now have no desire to watch that show or really any Star Wars shit ever again because over the course of those 200ish episodes I learned that for me the best Star Wars is aliens in a cargo pants and 1970s puffy vests hurling pipe bombs at space Nazis or guys with 5 o'clock shadows and a mechanic's jumpsuit doing heists. I don't give a single fuck about Mandalorian lore and give negative fucks about the weirdo mysticism Jedi shit and those two are seemingly the direction everything is going because that cowboy hat havin', three wolf moon t-shirt wearin' motherfucker Dave Filoni gets to keep writing his stupid Star Wars fan-fiction for whatever reason and those two things get him hard as steel. Goodbye Star Wars we had a pretty good run all things considered. I'm with you. I was never interested in that series because of those exact elements. Look, in the original trilogy, Han Solo is by far the best character. And this isn't only because Harrison Ford is insanely hot in those movies. It is because that character is just flat out more interesting than Luke Skywalker and the whole Jedi deal.
Surely we all got more than enough Jedi in the prequels? And yeah, I am not at all interested in Mandalorian lore. I watched the first season the Mandalorian show and gave up because none of it interested me enough.
I 100% agree with Han being the best main character in the original trilogy (followed closely by Lando who really only gets bumped down a notch because he doesn't show up in the first one). Luke's definitely towards the bottom of the list on the good guy side of things. As for The Mandaloiran, I kind of dug the first season because he was just a cowboy in armor doing Lone Wolf & Cub but once the powers that be started assuming I cared about Mandalorians and their creed and junk in Seasons 2 and 3 they lost me pretty quickly. I just wanted a guy and his weirdo puppet child traveling from town to town righting wrongs and putting fools on blast. |
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Post by Nudeviking on Nov 12, 2023 18:59:55 GMT -5
I have no doubt that by the time a season 2 of Andor shows up I'll have cooled down and will end up watching it but I honestly feel like that's definitely it for me and Star Wars because it's just getting two seasons and then after that it's a bunch of Dave Filoni junk and all he cares about are Mandalorians and Jedi hoodoo. Give me more scruffy dudes with no powers and limited weapons training pushed to the brink by fascists! That's the best Star Wars! That’s the best ANYTHING. Give me normal people risking literally everything to fight against the fascists! Give me double-agents! Give me bad guys realizing they’re on the wrong team or good guys deciding they’re no longer gonna be a good guy! WE’VE all realized that the Jedi are deeply problematic on a lot of levels; why hasn’t Filoni? Give me some of THAT from the POV of someone who just gained Knight status! Stop acting like The Jedi are uncriticizable ffs. The Rebels cartoon was so good about this earlier on. It had Imperial defectors and random children going to the Imperial academy to do spying and heists and a farmers with bazookas shootin' at space Nazis out of the back of a truck. Sure there were Jedi but one of them was, for the longest time, just a guy that used a gun because he'd watched all his friends and teachers get murdered some 10? years earlier and hid that shit which is far more interesting than nearly anything else they've ever done with Jedi. Sadly the back half of it was all Jedi hoodoo nonsense with guys connecting to the Force to summon the very planet they were on to fight against the Empire or some bullshit. |
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Post by Nudeviking on Nov 22, 2023 5:01:59 GMT -5
It’s a goddamn travesty…
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Post by Desert Dweller on Nov 26, 2023 20:46:33 GMT -5
Blech. That about kills any remaining interest I had in Star Wars.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Dec 18, 2023 21:51:35 GMT -5
Is it just me or did the Andor S2 trailer imply they’re basically ditching the first season (and Rogue One) dynamic in favor of stuff from the cartoons and fanboy tie-in shit? I’ll probably give it a try but if they’re really going that route it’s going to be massively…not just disappointing, but honestly depressing.
Really Andor is far more the way the model that these long-running franchises should take: not from a big fanboy (or even fan) of the franchise, but from someone whose interests are sympathetic with the themes or original inspirations of the franchise.
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Post by Murray the Demonic Skull on Dec 19, 2023 9:49:46 GMT -5
Is it just me or did the Andor S2 trailer imply they’re basically ditching the first season (and Rogue One) dynamic in favor of stuff from the cartoons and fanboy tie-in shit? I’ll probably give it a try but if they’re really going that route it’s going to be massively…not just disappointing, but honestly depressing. Really Andor is far more the way the model that these long-running franchises should take: not from a big fanboy (or even fan) of the franchise, but from someone whose interests are sympathetic with the themes or original inspirations of the franchise.
Do you have a link to the trailer? The only thing I've found are some fan made trailers (full of fanboy tie-in shit) pretending to be the real deal.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Dec 20, 2023 11:43:59 GMT -5
I guess it’s not that full of stuff (or if there’s more I didn’t notice it bc I don’t really pay attention to it), but starting with “the rebels are united now because of some cartoon guy” and ending with Vader is pretty disappointing (Rogue One ends with Vader, you don’t need him here).
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Post by Murray the Demonic Skull on Dec 20, 2023 12:03:13 GMT -5
I guess it’s not that full of stuff (or if there’s more I didn’t notice it bc I don’t really pay attention to it), but starting with “the rebels are united now because of some cartoon guy” and ending with Vader is pretty disappointing (Rogue One ends with Vader, you don’t need him here).
Oh ok it’s well made but that’s a fake trailer 😬. All hope is not lost for Andor |
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Post by ABz B👹anaz on Dec 20, 2023 18:50:50 GMT -5
I guess it’s not that full of stuff (or if there’s more I didn’t notice it bc I don’t really pay attention to it), but starting with “the rebels are united now because of some cartoon guy” and ending with Vader is pretty disappointing (Rogue One ends with Vader, you don’t need him here).
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jun 5, 2024 7:23:11 GMT -5
Watched the first two eps of The Acolyte last night. Husband (the gigantor Star Wars fan of the house) says he "wasn't blown away" but he's interested (he was also not blown away by the first eps of Andor, so this isn't saying much either way).
I am a much more casual Star Wars fan and so I care about the story and acting as much as anything. The world LOOKS great, they got that down. I was disappointed there wasn't more Carrie-Ann Moss, but Amandla Stenberg seems to be having a great time and I did enjoy Space Jason Mendoza very much. I'm not sure where it's going, but it's an enjoyable enough ride so far.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jun 5, 2024 18:48:17 GMT -5
Watched the first two eps of The Acolyte last night. Husband (the gigantor Star Wars fan of the house) says he "wasn't blown away" but he's interested (he was also not blown away by the first eps of Andor, so this isn't saying much either way). I am a much more casual Star Wars fan and so I care about the story and acting as much as anything. The world LOOKS great, they got that down. I was disappointed there wasn't more Carrie-Ann Moss, but Amandla Stenberg seems to be having a great time and I did enjoy Space Jason Mendoza very much. I'm not sure where it's going, but it's an enjoyable enough ride so far. Agreed. It's not going to be torture having to wait for the new episodes, or anything, but I'm enjoying it so far, and looking forward to seeing where they go with it. And it doesn't really feel like anything Star Wars has done before, while still feeling like Star Wars. |
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Post by ABz B👹anaz on Jun 6, 2024 2:48:12 GMT -5
Watched the first two eps of The Acolyte last night. Husband (the gigantor Star Wars fan of the house) says he "wasn't blown away" but he's interested (he was also not blown away by the first eps of Andor, so this isn't saying much either way). I am a much more casual Star Wars fan and so I care about the story and acting as much as anything. The world LOOKS great, they got that down. I was disappointed there wasn't more Carrie-Ann Moss, but Amandla Stenberg seems to be having a great time and I did enjoy Space Jason Mendoza very much. I'm not sure where it's going, but it's an enjoyable enough ride so far. Agreed. It's not going to be torture having to wait for the new episodes, or anything, but I'm enjoying it so far, and looking forward to seeing where they go with it. And it doesn't really feel like anything Star Wars has done before, while still feeling like Star Wars. Oh, but the review bombs are saying "woke garbage", "pushing an agenda" etc. because racism and misogyny! I ignore those too. I agree, promising start, looking forward to seeing more. |
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jun 6, 2024 7:20:44 GMT -5
Agreed. It's not going to be torture having to wait for the new episodes, or anything, but I'm enjoying it so far, and looking forward to seeing where they go with it. And it doesn't really feel like anything Star Wars has done before, while still feeling like Star Wars. Oh, but the review bombs are saying "woke garbage", "pushing an agenda" etc. because racism and misogyny! I ignore those too. I agree, promising start, looking forward to seeing more. Because they have (gasp) a Black woman, a Black man and an Asian dude in lead roles and this is somehow an "agenda" (eyeroll, eyeroll) |
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Post by ABz B👹anaz on Jun 12, 2024 10:43:57 GMT -5
So episode three, that a bunch of the trolls were complaining about "breaking canon", SURPRISE SURPRISE did nothing of the sort.
It definitely showed one side of events that happened in the show's past, and I assume we'll get to see the other side before the end of the season, because nobody is looking good right now. I like that it's doing similar things as Andor, where it's FAR more complicated than "good versus evil".
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jun 12, 2024 10:56:30 GMT -5
So episode three, that a bunch of the trolls were complaining about "breaking canon", SURPRISE SURPRISE did nothing of the sort. It definitely showed one side of events that happened in the show's past, and I assume we'll get to see the other side before the end of the season, because nobody is looking good right now. I like that it's doing similar things as Andor, where it's FAR more complicated than "good versus evil". It was a good episode, my one small issue is with Mae's seemingly sudden evil turn - she went from "I don't want you to leave" to "I'M GONNA KILL YOU"  But yeah, a whole lot of nobody is looking particularly good right now. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jun 12, 2024 17:36:02 GMT -5
So episode three, that a bunch of the trolls were complaining about "breaking canon", SURPRISE SURPRISE did nothing of the sort. It definitely showed one side of events that happened in the show's past, and I assume we'll get to see the other side before the end of the season, because nobody is looking good right now. I like that it's doing similar things as Andor, where it's FAR more complicated than "good versus evil". It was a good episode, my one small issue is with Mae's seemingly sudden evil turn - she went from "I don't want you to leave" to "I'M GONNA KILL YOU" But yeah, a whole lot of nobody is looking particularly good right now. I suspect Mae was already being manipulated by the big bad, whoever they are, and that's going to come out eventually. But the Jedi definitely screwed up, in some way. |
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Jun 16, 2024 17:16:38 GMT -5
So episode three, that a bunch of the trolls were complaining about "breaking canon", SURPRISE SURPRISE did nothing of the sort. It definitely showed one side of events that happened in the show's past, and I assume we'll get to see the other side before the end of the season, because nobody is looking good right now. I like that it's doing similar things as Andor, where it's FAR more complicated than "good versus evil". I enjoyed ep three more than the first two, but it’s still on the “meh” scale for me. I WANT to like it more, and I’m very into the whole Jedi-hater angle, but there’s a bit of trying too hard. We’ll see. Although for the love of fuck, WHY would you name your lead character OSHA?? Is there literally no one at Lucasfilm or Disney who thought that might be a poor idea? |
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