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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 16, 2018 22:42:03 GMT -5
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Post by The Spice Weasel on Mar 16, 2018 22:42:28 GMT -5
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 16, 2018 22:48:14 GMT -5
One of my students said she won the first round in her class's bracket pool. She knows nothing about college basketball. She said she picked based on school colors.
It reminds me of one year when I had seriously followed college BB all year. I evaluated that bracket in depth and thought I had the best predictions. Then my roommate, who knew zero about college BB, did a bracket based on which mascots she liked. Of course she won.
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Post by MarkInTexas on Mar 16, 2018 22:54:16 GMT -5
I'm changing my predictions. UMBC beats Duke to cut down the nets in San Antonio.
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Post by Hawkguy on Mar 16, 2018 23:09:20 GMT -5
Wow...just wow... loved watching history and loved it came from a team called The Retrievers but man I wish it hadn't been against uva for many reasons. Also holy shit don't things I've ever had this bad a first round before... usually I at least still have hope in the 2nd...
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Post by ganews on Mar 16, 2018 23:51:37 GMT -5
I see there are no perfect brackets left on ESPN. Five brackets are tied for first; one of the next-tier picked UMBC to win.
Looks like the Seminoles are back in control, so while I'll have eight first-round losses I'm only out one Sweet 16 pick and no Elite 8 picks.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Mar 16, 2018 23:54:49 GMT -5
Whelp, I've watched about zero basketball this year, but I went ahead and filled one out. Virginia seems like a boring obvious pick, but that's what I'm going with. Your bracket might not end up being super correct. |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Mar 16, 2018 23:56:44 GMT -5
One of my students said she won the first round in her class's bracket pool. She knows nothing about college basketball. She said she picked based on school colors. It reminds me of one year when I had seriously followed college BB all year. I evaluated that bracket in depth and thought I had the best predictions. Then my roommate, who knew zero about college BB, did a bracket based on which mascots she liked. Of course she won. Was that when Syracuse won it all, then? |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 17, 2018 0:01:12 GMT -5
One of my students said she won the first round in her class's bracket pool. She knows nothing about college basketball. She said she picked based on school colors. It reminds me of one year when I had seriously followed college BB all year. I evaluated that bracket in depth and thought I had the best predictions. Then my roommate, who knew zero about college BB, did a bracket based on which mascots she liked. Of course she won. Was that when Syracuse won it all, then? Knowing her, she would have picked them. Just looked it up. No, it couldn't have been that year. I lived in Seattle that year. Would have to be some year 2005-2010, but I don't remember which year it was. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 17, 2018 1:47:26 GMT -5
I just watched some clips from the end of the Virginia-UMBC game. Wow, that is really incredible. Shocking and amazing to see.
My undergrad school was a 15 seed one year and came very close to beating the #2 seed they played. Wow, and I thought that was exciting to see.
This must have been an absolutely bonkers crazy game to attend.
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Post by MarkInTexas on Mar 17, 2018 6:03:47 GMT -5
I just watched some clips from the end of the Virginia-UMBC game. Wow, that is really incredible. Shocking and amazing to see. My undergrad school was a 15 seed one year and came very close to beating the #2 seed they played. Wow, and I thought that was exciting to see. This must have been an absolutely bonkers crazy game to attend. My undergrad school was a 2 seed that did lose to a 15 seed one year. No, I'm not still bitter. |
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Post by MarkInTexas on Mar 17, 2018 6:14:18 GMT -5
Even if they go out in the second round, I'm going to guess UMBC will make up at least 25% of One Shining Moment.
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Post by Jimmy James on Mar 17, 2018 9:12:24 GMT -5
Whelp, I've watched about zero basketball this year, but I went ahead and filled one out. Virginia seems like a boring obvious pick, but that's what I'm going with. Your bracket might not end up being super correct. I... did not see that coming. Probably wasn't going to win anyway, so this will save me a couple more rounds of watching my bracket grow increasingly busted. Instead I'll just kick back and be happy for UMBC pulling off the impossible. |
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Post by The Spice Weasel on Mar 17, 2018 13:16:15 GMT -5
Happy National Corn Dog Day, everyone!
Go Zags
Go Bulls
and most importantly, go Ramblers!
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Post by ganews on Mar 17, 2018 17:36:28 GMT -5
Is there a Sabermetrics for basketball? Because I see a whole lot of three-point attempts in these games, more specifically a whole lot of failed three-point attempts.
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Post by ganews on Mar 17, 2018 19:31:39 GMT -5
Buffalo might not have made it, but at least Loyola-Chicago is going to the Sweet 16. Underdog victories are the only reason I watch this.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Mar 17, 2018 19:50:44 GMT -5
Buffalo might not have made it, but at least Loyola-Chicago is going to the Sweet 16. Underdog victories are the only reason I watch this. There is a statistic. It's called 3 point shooting percentage. Basically, what you do is you take the total number of three point shots made by a specific basketball player or basketball team, and you divide it by the number of three point shots attempted by a specific basketball player or basketball team, then you multiply that number by 100, and that gives you the percentage of the time that a specific basketball player or basketball team has made their three points shots. The higher the percentage, the better the basketball player or basketball team is at shooting three point basketball shots, and the lower the percentage, the worse they are at it. Make sure to put the number of shots made in the numerator and the number of shots attempted in the denominator of your equation, though, otherwise the percentage might be wrong and also not represent a possible three point shooting percentage. |
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Post by ganews on Mar 17, 2018 19:57:56 GMT -5
Buffalo might not have made it, but at least Loyola-Chicago is going to the Sweet 16. Underdog victories are the only reason I watch this. There is a statistic. It's called 3 point shooting percentage. Basically, what you do is you take the total number of three point shots made by a specific basketball player or basketball team, and you divide it by the number of three point shots attempted by a specific basketball player or basketball team, then you multiply that number by 100, and that gives you the percentage of the time that a specific basketball player or basketball team has made their three points shots. The higher the percentage, the better the basketball player or basketball team is at shooting three point basketball shots, and the lower the percentage, the worse they are at it. Make sure to put the number of shots made in the numerator and the number of shots attempted in the denominator of your equation, though, otherwise the percentage might be wrong and also not represent a possible three point shooting percentage. Oh wow, that's how percentages work?? Maybe you can you explain what a double is next. |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Mar 17, 2018 20:13:43 GMT -5
There is a statistic. It's called 3 point shooting percentage. Basically, what you do is you take the total number of three point shots made by a specific basketball player or basketball team, and you divide it by the number of three point shots attempted by a specific basketball player or basketball team, then you multiply that number by 100, and that gives you the percentage of the time that a specific basketball player or basketball team has made their three points shots. The higher the percentage, the better the basketball player or basketball team is at shooting three point basketball shots, and the lower the percentage, the worse they are at it. Make sure to put the number of shots made in the numerator and the number of shots attempted in the denominator of your equation, though, otherwise the percentage might be wrong and also not represent a possible three point shooting percentage. Oh wow, that's how percentages work?? Maybe you can you explain what a double is next.Sure! Are you familiar with base ten positional numeral system? If not, here's a primer, because that is essential to understanding this basketball stat. Anyway, you know how when you're counting in base ten, there's single digit numbers, like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9, but then after that there's double digit numbers, like 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, but also 99? Anyway, a double is when a single player gets a double-digit number total in one of the five following statistical categories in a single basketball game: points, assists, rebounds, steals, and blocked shots. You can also get what's known as a double double. This is when a single player gets a double-digit number total in two of those statistical categories in a single basketball game. There is also a triple double. This is when a player gets a double-digit number in three of those five statistical categories in a single basketball game. There is also quadruple double. This is when a single basketball player gets a double-digit number total in four of those five statistical categories. And then finally there is a quintuple double. This is when a single basketball player gets a double-digit number total in all five of those statistical categories in a single basketball game. You might be thinking now, "What about a sextuple double, doesn't that also exist?" But the answer to that question is "No," because there are only five statistical categories recognized in which one can get a double in a basketball game. |
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Post by ganews on Mar 17, 2018 20:16:56 GMT -5
Oh wow, that's how percentages work?? Maybe you can you explain what a double is next.Sure! Are you familiar with base ten positional numeral system? If not, here's a primer, because that is essential to understanding this basketball stat. Anyway, you know how when you're counting in base ten, there's single digit numbers, like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9, but then after that there's double digit numbers, like 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, but also 99? Anyway, a double is when a single player gets a double-digit number total in one of the five following statistical categories in a single basketball game: points, assists, rebounds, steals, and blocked shots. You can also get what's known as a double double. This is when a single player gets a double-digit number total in two of those statistical categories in a single basketball game. There is also a triple double. This is when a player gets a double-digit number in three of those five statistical categories in a single basketball game. There is also quadruple double. This is when a single basketball player gets a double-digit number total in four of those five statistical categories. And then finally there is a quintuple double. This is when a single basketball player gets a double-digit number total in all five of those statistical categories in a single basketball game. You might be thinking now, "What about a sextuple double, doesn't that also exist?" But the answer to that question is "No," because there are only five statistical categories recognized in which one can get a double in a basketball game. The original point was wondering what coaching suggests so many college teams to make 3-point attempts when their percentages seem to be terrible, but instead you have chosen to be obtuse and annoying. |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Mar 17, 2018 20:24:08 GMT -5
Sure! Are you familiar with base ten positional numeral system? If not, here's a primer, because that is essential to understanding this basketball stat. Anyway, you know how when you're counting in base ten, there's single digit numbers, like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9, but then after that there's double digit numbers, like 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, but also 99? Anyway, a double is when a single player gets a double-digit number total in one of the five following statistical categories in a single basketball game: points, assists, rebounds, steals, and blocked shots. You can also get what's known as a double double. This is when a single player gets a double-digit number total in two of those statistical categories in a single basketball game. There is also a triple double. This is when a player gets a double-digit number in three of those five statistical categories in a single basketball game. There is also quadruple double. This is when a single basketball player gets a double-digit number total in four of those five statistical categories. And then finally there is a quintuple double. This is when a single basketball player gets a double-digit number total in all five of those statistical categories in a single basketball game. You might be thinking now, "What about a sextuple double, doesn't that also exist?" But the answer to that question is "No," because there are only five statistical categories recognized in which one can get a double in a basketball game. The original point was wondering what coaching suggests so many college teams to make 3-point attempts when their percentages seem to be terrible, but instead you have chosen to be obtuse and annoying. Maybe said teams are playing against other teams with very good defense in the paint, and as such, they have decided to shoot for an abnormal amount of threes. It's not like collegiate basketball players tend to be as good at shooting twos as NBA players, either. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 17, 2018 23:19:39 GMT -5
I have just determined that the guys living in the apartment above me are Michigan alumni. This must be the case based on their reaction to the game that just ended. I was briefly concerned that my ceiling would collapse.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Mar 18, 2018 4:37:31 GMT -5
There is a statistic. It's called 3 point shooting percentage. Basically, what you do is you take the total number of three point shots made by a specific basketball player or basketball team, and you divide it by the number of three point shots attempted by a specific basketball player or basketball team, then you multiply that number by 100, and that gives you the percentage of the time that a specific basketball player or basketball team has made their three points shots. The higher the percentage, the better the basketball player or basketball team is at shooting three point basketball shots, and the lower the percentage, the worse they are at it. Make sure to put the number of shots made in the numerator and the number of shots attempted in the denominator of your equation, though, otherwise the percentage might be wrong and also not represent a possible three point shooting percentage. Oh wow, that's how percentages work?? Maybe you can you explain what a double is next. Well there is also true shooting percentage which weights made threes as worth 1.5x as much as made twos. It sounds like teasing people, but “3>2” is actually having a revolutionary moment, particularly in the pro game. Obviously high percentage shots at the rim are still valued, but your basketball moneyball types are basically allergic to anything that isn’t in the paint, behind the 3 point line, or guaranteed to draw foul shots. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 18, 2018 5:01:32 GMT -5
I would think it difficult to really do sabermetrics in college basketball considering that the level of competition varies so dramatically. You don't get good data on how all teams perform against other teams. And good players often only play 1-2 years in college. There is no team switching. "Defense" in baseball is totally different than "defense" in basketball.
Like, I just can't see 3-pt % as a real sabermetric stat. That doesn't make a lot of logical sense to me, considering what college bb is.
Edit to add: Want to clarify that I don't bother following or tracking any stats in basketball. I don't know anything about basketball statistical analysis. I do follow stats in baseball, so there is where my knowledge base is. So, I might be missing something really obvious in bb.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Mar 18, 2018 5:28:43 GMT -5
I would think it difficult to really do sabermetrics in college basketball considering that the level of competition varies so dramatically. You don't get good data on how all teams perform against other teams. And good players often only play 1-2 years in college. There is no team switching. "Defense" in baseball is totally different than "defense" in basketball. Like, I just can't see 3-pt % as a real sabermetric stat. That doesn't make a lot of logical sense to me, considering what college bb is. Edit to add: Want to clarify that I don't bother following or tracking any stats in basketball. I don't know anything about basketball statistical analysis. I do follow stats in baseball, so there is where my knowledge base is. So, I might be missing something really obvious in bb. Even in the pros it’s tough to find advanced stats that accurately measure player value, because as you said, there are so many variables. The smart basketball writers I follow all seem to pick a few favorites from PER, real plus-minus, etc. to cobble together a composite picture. |
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Post by The Spice Weasel on Mar 18, 2018 11:24:58 GMT -5
Is there a Sabermetrics for basketball? Because I see a whole lot of three-point attempts in these games, more specifically a whole lot of failed three-point attempts. The power conference teams can draw from a larger talent pool allowing them to get the biggest, fastest, most talented players. The mid-majors cannot compete with them on the bigger, faster, or team depth front. The only place they can really compete is shooting accuracy. Since they can't compete head to head in the paint, their best course of action is to chuck 'em from the cheap seats. Live by the three die by the three. The other problem is when teams get down big and in an attempt to get back in the game start chucking ill-advised threes instead of just playing solid offense and trying to force turnovers. If you were to chart three point attempts through a season and take account of pressure, time left on the shot clock, time left in the game, and the score differential, I bet you could find some interesting data. |
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Post by The Spice Weasel on Mar 18, 2018 13:28:49 GMT -5
I have no idea wtf Butler was doing during the last 25 seconds of that game.
Oh well, go Loyola. A Marshall win tonight wouldn't hurt.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 18, 2018 16:07:29 GMT -5
Is there a Sabermetrics for basketball? Because I see a whole lot of three-point attempts in these games, more specifically a whole lot of failed three-point attempts. If you were to chart three point attempts through a season and take account of pressure, time left on the shot clock, time left in the game, and the score differential, I bet you could find some interesting data. Ah, very intriguing suggestion. Scenarios similar to this would be something that would absolutely be tracked in baseball. Because, let's be honest, everything is tracked in baseball. Would probably be interesting data for mid-majors to have going into the tournament. |
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Post by ganews on Mar 18, 2018 20:08:49 GMT -5
OOF! Not a good day for #2 seeds. With UNC utterly embarrassing themselves and Cincinnati blowing a huge lead, my Final Four is cut in half. Nothing left to do but cheer for Loyola-Chicago, UMBC, and WVU/Marshall.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Mar 18, 2018 20:39:56 GMT -5
UMBC vs. KSU, or, Why Are These Guys All So Bad At Free Throws?
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